Floyd's 5 best wins

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I know you started the thread, that’s why it’s confusing. You said you were thinking about it, but you didn’t end up coming up with your own list. You wanted other people’s views, that you were quick to criticize, without even providing your own. I’m sure you knew most of all the names that would be mentioned already. It’s not like you asked anything revolutionary that hasen’t been discussed a bunch of times. If you ask for peoples opinion and are ready to critic them for it, at least have one of your own and open yourself to the same scrutiny. If you admit you don’t know what’s right yourself then why take the time to let people know they are wrong? I’m intrigued with what your five would be, and I’m not blowing smoke. You’ve made good points. Always refreshing to see people who can see things from different angles. I was at the Zab v Floyd fight. I think that’s one of his biggest wins myself. I always thought a fast left handed guy like Zab might be a competitive matchup. It was for a while. I think Zab did score a KD. But we can say an opponent will be someone’s best win before the fight, but if that opponent gets rubbished what does that end up meaning? Im not trying to be a jerk. If I’m coming across that way, I apologize. I wouldn’t be writing it I was trying to waste my time or yours. In my mind - I started the thread to have a debate. I wanted to see how people felt about many of those wins. Not just listing them, but also giving a little rundown of why the win was impressive. Also, if I listed any of those big names in my top 5, I would obviously explain why, and would explain how I viewed the win. Simply listing the big names is not enough. Because they cannot be taken at face value. I mentioned earlier that I view Floyd's work below WW as his best work. For me, the top 5 would look something like this: 1) Corrales - already mentioned why - but he showed great form at that weight, before and after the fight. And was a definitive win for Floyd. First loss for Corrales. And then what do you have? You have all the big names at not ideal weights or times, and good fighters at ideal weights. For me #2 would be 2) Castillo 2 - definitive win after a close first fight 3) Maybe Gennaro? 4) Baldomir? 5) ODLH? The guys like Manny - not in great form, not ideal weight, and I think Floyd stalled the fight until Manny aged Mosley - 39, not in great form, not ideal weight Canelo - young, inexperienced in real pro fights (showed with bad gameplan), weight drained Maidana - never scored the whole first fight, but most say it was very close. If the win in fight 1 was clearer it would be a better win for me. Cotto - inconsistent form before and after that fight - Judah - lost right before that fight Hatton and JMM - weight issues in those fights Robert Guererro was a good win as well in my eyes - good form coming in, at a good weight for him.

I literally started the thread man. Because I was thinking about it, and wanted to get other's views on what they viewed as Floyd's best wins. As I said in my OP, I really don't know where I would put Floyd's 5 best wins, because most of the big names on his list, cannot be taken at face value. Many of them were not, in my opinion, even close to the level of let's say a Corrales that Floyd had at 130 pounds. So yes, people just listing the 5 best names on Floyd's resume and saying those are his best wins, that is not smart imo and I would call that out. Look at Corrales's form around that time, and the weight at which it was fought, and where Corrales continued to fight after that. Compare that to the big names on his list. Just because a guy has the name on the back of the jersey, doesn't mean that he is still that guy. I don't hate on Floyd - he is the biggest boxing moneymaker ever, love him or hate him. So I view him in that way. It's all respect and appreciation for him in that lane. However I don't really think his resume was THAT impressive, post 135, considering the conditions of his fights and the form of the opponents. It certainly wasn't as impressive as it would have been had all those guys been in great form and prime etc. Beating a faded former great at a bad weight for him, is not a better win for me than beating a solid pro in their prime at a good weight for them. Basically was seeing how everyone else felt about that. I know you started the thread, that’s why it’s confusing. You said you were thinking about it, but you didn’t end up coming up with your own list. You wanted other people’s views, that you were quick to criticize, without even providing your own. I’m sure you knew most of all the names that would be mentioned already. It’s not like you asked anything revolutionary that hasen’t been discussed a bunch of times. If you ask for peoples opinion and are ready to critic them for it, at least have one of your own and open yourself to the same scrutiny. If you admit you don’t know what’s right yourself then why take the time to let people know they are wrong? I’m intrigued with what your five would be, and I’m not blowing smoke. You’ve made good points. Always refreshing to see people who can see things from different angles. I was at the Zab v Floyd fight. I think that’s one of his biggest wins myself. I always thought a fast left handed guy like Zab might be a competitive matchup. It was for a while. I think Zab did score a KD. But we can say an opponent will be someone’s best win before the fight, but if that opponent gets rubbished what does that end up meaning? Im not trying to be a jerk. If I’m coming across that way, I apologize. I wouldn’t be writing it I was trying to waste my time or yours.

C’mon man, I’m not arguing that you don’t need to take into account the form of the fighter in the fight at the time. Age, weight, losses, damage, wear and tear, effort etc. That’s all assumed. But if you ask for someone’s five biggest wins and someone gives your their answer, then why say those names need asterisk’s? Like someone is trying to hide something? We all saw the fights, we all know all the details. So do you have a different five then? Are they all fighters that you would consider to be in their prime and at their best weight? If you tell us then I guess we can judge for ourselves ( if you have stated already I’m sorry for not searching ) Everything is already taken into account when someone gives their answer. Unless your whole point is not that you disagree with his five biggest wins that most people mention but that they actually aren’t that quality compared to historical precedent of other fighters deemed to be great? And that can be your opinion, you can say Floyd’s super overrated and that’s totally fair. Now imagine you have to name your top five Floyd wins then explain why they are better than the usual suspects listed? Imagine you had to do a list those same opponents top five wins? And so forth and so forth. That should give some perspective. I literally started the thread man. Because I was thinking about it, and wanted to get other's views on what they viewed as Floyd's best wins. As I said in my OP, I really don't know where I would put Floyd's 5 best wins, because most of the big names on his list, cannot be taken at face value. Many of them were not, in my opinion, even close to the level of let's say a Corrales that Floyd had at 130 pounds. So yes, people just listing the 5 best names on Floyd's resume and saying those are his best wins, that is not smart imo and I would call that out. Look at Corrales's form around that time, and the weight at which it was fought, and where Corrales continued to fight after that. Compare that to the big names on his list. Just because a guy has the name on the back of the jersey, doesn't mean that he is still that guy. I don't hate on Floyd - he is the biggest boxing moneymaker ever, love him or hate him. So I view him in that way. It's all respect and appreciation for him in that lane. However I don't really think his resume was THAT impressive, post 135, considering the conditions of his fights and the form of the opponents. It certainly wasn't as impressive as it would have been had all those guys been in great form and prime etc. Beating a faded former great at a bad weight for him, is not a better win for me than beating a solid pro in their prime at a good weight for them. Basically was seeing how everyone else felt about that.

A few things 1) most boxers all time, 90+% of their resumes consist of fights vs solid pro types. Most fighters, if they are lucky, only have a few fights vs big names in their careers, and a few fights, maximum, vs 'great' opponents 2) Floyd has a number of big names on his resume 3) When you have a number of big names on your resume, it is extremely important to look at what version of the big name you fought/beat. Because, for example, beating Muhammad Ali in his prime, is much different than beating him when Trevor Berbick did. Honestly I can't believe someone is arguing that we don't need to take into account the form of the fighter at the time of the fight. C’mon man, I’m not arguing that you don’t need to take into account the form of the fighter in the fight at the time. Age, weight, losses, damage, wear and tear, effort etc. That’s all assumed. But if you ask for someone’s five biggest wins and someone gives your their answer, then why say those names need asterisk’s? Like someone is trying to hide something? We all saw the fights, we all know all the details. So do you have a different five then? Are they all fighters that you would consider to be in their prime and at their best weight? If you tell us then I guess we can judge for ourselves ( if you have stated already I’m sorry for not searching ) Everything is already taken into account when someone gives their answer. Unless your whole point is not that you disagree with his five biggest wins that most people mention but that they actually aren’t that quality compared to historical precedent of other fighters deemed to be great? And that can be your opinion, you can say Floyd’s super overrated and that’s totally fair. Now imagine you have to name your top five Floyd wins then explain why they are better than the usual suspects listed? Imagine you had to do a list those same opponents top five wins? And so forth and so forth. That should give some perspective.

Yes he did. Even if the disadvantages were being stacked against Pac.. Pac in the eyes many around the world. Won that with a busted shoulder against an IV ridden Floyd who ran and hugged for 12 queer rounds.. Amazing stuff. video=youtube_share;fcC9_cqy2L8]https://youtu.be/fcC9_cqy2L8 f yes majority of people outside of vegas think pac won the fight and proof is on the video that can not be disputed.

Yes he did. Even if the disadvantages were being stacked against Pac.. Pac in the eyes many around the world. Won that with a busted shoulder against an IV ridden Floyd who ran and hugged for 12 queer rounds.. Amazing stuff. https://youtu.be/fcC9_cqy2L8 Name one CREDIBLE boxing publication, analyst or expert that had Manny winning. Don't waste much time because there isn't any. Busted shoulder? Hmmm, in the pre fight survey, Pac listed no injuries. IV ridden? He got the okay from the commission. Ran and hugged? Side stepped and made Manny fight his fight. Along the way, Floyd out landed Pac in both power punches and total punches. You need to start living in reality, Floyd EASILY beat your hero and your undying man love will never change that.

floyd's highest profile wins are questionable when you consider context. Castillo - even floyd fans admit he lost this one. ODH- past prime, split decision - i.e. the win isnt even clear. mosley - past prime. floyd ducked mosley for years. ortiz - cheap shot in a fight many had ortiz winning to that point. (i read somewhere floyd may also have tested positive for PEDS prior to fight). cotto - life and death fight with past prime cotto who had already suffered several beatings. a lot of people thought cotto won. canelo - MD against a green weight-drained fighter. Maidana - floyd needed a second fight since most people thought maidana was robbed in the first. pacquiao - BS decision. floyd was outlanded almost 2:1 (see spoon's videos) by a one-armed, past-prime opponent. (Floyds TUE probably approved after a 6-7 figure payment to usada). This is basically it. Sums up how watered down his accomplishments are.

I'm surprised no one's mentioning the Tenshin KO, that's very impressive...

floyd's highest profile wins are questionable when you consider context. Castillo - even floyd fans admit he lost this one. ODH- past prime, split decision - i.e. the win isnt even clear. mosley - past prime. floyd ducked mosley for years. ortiz - cheap shot in a fight many had ortiz winning to that point. (i read somewhere floyd may also have tested positive for PEDS prior to fight). cotto - life and death fight with past prime cotto who had already suffered several beatings. a lot of people thought cotto won. canelo - MD against a green weight-drained fighter. Maidana - floyd needed a second fight since most people thought maidana was robbed in the first. pacquiao - BS decision. floyd was outlanded almost 2:1 (see spoon's videos) by a one-armed, past-prime opponent. (Floyds TUE probably approved after a 6-7 figure payment to usada).

Yes he did. Even if the disadvantages were being stocked against Pac.. Pac in the eyes many around the world. Won that with a busted shoulder against an IV ridden Floyd who ran and hugged for 12 queer rounds.. Amazing stuff. https://youtu.be/fcC9_cqy2L8 Not one CREDIBLE boxing publication, announcer or historian had Manny winning this fight.

floyd is irrelevant now in boxing so what do u want to know??? Can you read? I'll try this again, you make post after post about how Floyd is irrelevant in boxing but 90% of your posts are about him. Why? I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer but it's a pretty simple question. Even so, feel free to read slowly......

Manny lost in a shut out was the easiest big fight win in Floyds career, Manny was such an easy beat if I was a fan Id making up excuses he was useless totally lost at sea, Manny never did like movers,,,,,, What happened Manny, sob sob he wouldn't stand still so I could hit him lol

pac was jus unbelievable against floyd even with all the disadvantages and with only one healthy hand he still able to dominate floyd who's full of IV (masking PEDS). Yes he did. Even if the disadvantages were being stacked against Pac.. Pac in the eyes many around the world. Won that with a busted shoulder against an IV ridden Floyd who ran and hugged for 12 queer rounds.. Amazing stuff. https://youtu.be/fcC9_cqy2L8

I said Manny lost. Manny said he had a bum shoulder. Thats what happens when you wait to fight guys out of their prime. You don't get the same type of credit that you would if you just beat the guy in his prime. Just beat the guy in his prime like he beat guys like Marcos Madonna and you would not have to need 50,000 plus posts to defend him. lol Another Ace by djtmal! Big Dunn licks his wounds again :lol1: {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/media1.tenor.com\/images\/e815a648ed6fe7b1773ca91e6051b8ff\/tenor.gif?itemid=18782817"}

How can a fighter ever have all their five biggest wins be all against guys in their “prime” and also somehow themselves be in their own prime for all those fights? Does everyone have a different amount of time that they were in their prime? Or Is it a standard age window? My point is that this is standard for boxing. This is the way it is. This isn’t anything new. The precedent isn’t that a fighters top five wins are all against fighters in their prime or “best weight”. So no asteroid needed. If they were all in their prime and at their best weight then that’s when you should see an asterisk because that would be different and worth noting. Anyone who knows boxing should not be confused. A few things 1) most boxers all time, 90+% of their resumes consist of fights vs solid pro types. Most fighters, if they are lucky, only have a few fights vs big names in their careers, and a few fights, maximum, vs 'great' opponents 2) Floyd has a number of big names on his resume 3) When you have a number of big names on your resume, it is extremely important to look at what version of the big name you fought/beat. Because, for example, beating Muhammad Ali in his prime, is much different than beating him when Trevor Berbick did. Honestly I can't believe someone is arguing that we don't need to take into account the form of the fighter at the time of the fight.

Yes they were both past prime, but ...but but but its floyd...

I’ve answered the question many times before. When I must have missed it. Cut and paste it that shouldn't take up too much time to do. You will be on here all day defending Floyd anyways. While you at it, list all of those historians please we have been waiting on that one for about 6 months now.

You should change your name to djtgaw- which stands for tiny gay Asian wilder because you make as many excuses for Manny losing as wilder did when he lost to Fury. Floyd/manny was a matchup of the 2 best p4p boxers in the world. Yes they were both past prime, but it speaks to how great they were that they occupied those positions at those ages. It was the at the point the highest grossing fight in history. So let’s recap- you don’t count as one of Floyd’s best wins a win over the #2 p4p fighter, wbo ww champ, 2nd best overall ww, in the highest grossing fight in history, because neither guy was “prime” even though the “not prime” manny was better than anyone else Floyd fought that was “prime”. Yeah- you’re simply a disgruntled loser who hasn’t gotten over the loss so you’re doing this. I shouldn’t be surprised, you’re the same guy that got caught lying about Posting Shane should fight Floyd . smdh. I said Manny lost. Manny said he had a bum shoulder. Thats what happens when you wait to fight guys out of their prime. You don't get the same type of credit that you would if you just beat the guy in his prime. Just beat the guy in his prime like he beat guys like Marcos Madonna and you would not have to need 50,000 plus posts to defend him.

You lost every intelligent poster here at "Pac clearly beat him". i thought pac gave floyd a mercy fight.. he took it lightly.. :rofl: he don't want floyd to get embarrassed in front of many audience so yeah pac took it ligthly.