How do you rate Fury's power?

Didn't both retire on their stool? The very definition of being beaten by accumulation, rather than stunned by power. Fury's 270 pounds - he can hurt you if he wants to. But the vast majority of the time he's not committing to shots in that way. He doesn't need to when he has height and reach over every man he faces. The first time against Wilder he was happy clipping him from range. The second time he was happy to get in close, use his size and weight, and push punches rather than try to knock him out. Fury isn't fighting anyone at mid range and exchanging shots. I agree, go back and ready my original reply/convo. I'm not sure which part you're debating

You obviously haven't seen Fury fight too much, he put Wilder over with a single right hand and HURT him. He has stopped others in their tracks or hurt them with single punches. Normally his left hand out of the southpaw stance. He wore down and stopped Chisora and Hammer, some really big punchers have not been able to do that since. Didn't both retire on their stool? The very definition of being beaten by accumulation, rather than stunned by power. Fury's 270 pounds - he can hurt you if he wants to. But the vast majority of the time he's not committing to shots in that way. He doesn't need to when he has height and reach over every man he faces. The first time against Wilder he was happy clipping him from range. The second time he was happy to get in close, use his size and weight, and push punches rather than try to knock him out. Fury isn't fighting anyone at mid range and exchanging shots.

Who else was able to stop Wilder? Charlie Zelenoff

Who else was able to stop Wilder? You could argue it the other way though; Who has Wilder fought that you thought, ok, this guy can stop Wilder, other than Fury or Ortiz (at a push)?

According to many who have sparred both, Fury hits as hard or harder than Joshua, and I fully agree. Fury fighting on the front foot like he did against Wilder, knocks out anyone Joshua has beaten. Wilder obviously hits a lot harder, but Wilder is in a league of his own for power, I'd say followed by David Price's right hand, then Fury, Joshua, and a few others similar. Look how many big shots Takam walked through from Joshua, excluding the early flash knockdown. If not for the terrible hometown stoppage, that was going the distance, yet Chisora completely bombed Takam out.

Who else was able to stop Wilder?

I disagree, Mayweather could visibly stun and deter fighters with single punches. Fury does not really at elite level, stun or deter fighters with single punches. It is more so the awkwardness and dimensions of Fury which deter his opponents, not his power. Even the knock downs against Wilder, where mainly caused by Wilder himself being off balance etc You obviously haven't seen Fury fight too much, he put Wilder over with a single right hand and HURT him. He has stopped others in their tracks or hurt them with single punches. Normally his left hand out of the southpaw stance. He wore down and stopped Chisora and Hammer, some really big punchers have not been able to do that since.

I would say he hits as hard as Floyd did at 140-47. You can't sleep on his power and he can hurt you if you take liberties. He will stop some guys through accumulation and breaking them down - his main issue is not completely power in my opinion, its more to do with technique and his delivery. He is not an overly gifted offensive fighter (crazy to say, but true). He is also a left handed orthodox fighter, guys like Barrera and Oscar who were the same had great jabs and carried good power in their left hook, Fury has a great jab but for whatever reason doesn't have the left hook. Having said all of that he hits plenty hard enough I disagree, Mayweather could visibly stun and deter fighters with single punches. Fury does not really at elite level, stun or deter fighters with single punches. It is more so the awkwardness and dimensions of Fury which deter his opponents, not his power. Even the knock downs against Wilder, where mainly caused by Wilder himself being off balance etc

Pretty damn overrated after Wilder 2. He went from being a pillow puncher to some machine that can stop anyone at heavyweight. His punches are sloppy as hell. He caught Wlad with punches he didn’t even see coming and barely fazed him Fury's genius in the Wlad fight was not his punches... yes they were sloppy as hell. It was how Fury feinted, timed Wlad out of throwing his jab, and was able to entirely throw Wlad's timing off. Fury proved a point that most casual fans neglect 100% of the time: When dealing with an opponent of any sort it is not only asserting your own strengths but how you are able to nullify their strengths as well! Perfect example, Hopkins against Trinidad. Trinidad is an A1 puncher... beating Trinidad convincingly (as Hopkins did) has to include stopping his punch. Fury shut Wlad down... He could have won a few rounds throwing less than 5 punches.

Pretty damn overrated after Wilder 2. He went from being a pillow puncher to some machine that can stop anyone at heavyweight. His punches are sloppy as hell. He caught Wlad with punches he didn’t even see coming and barely fazed him

Vitali had a KO ratio higher than his brother but he hit nowhere near as hard. KO% doesn't tell you how hard a fighter punches. Vitali had heavy hands. Yeah KO% doesnt tell you their one punch power. Rafael Marquez was similar, he had heavy hands but not big one punch power. He has 90% stoppage rate because most guys got broken down.

yeah its amazing that a guy the size of valuev or fury can even be an elite level boxer and have the stamina for 12 rounds. The huge guys tend to be more arm punchers and tend to have a style that is going to favor stamina. If just being a giant was all it took to be a heavyweight champion, then we would see a lot more of these 6'8'' and up guys who are 260-300 lbs but we never see them. They are either slow, uncordinated or dont have the stamina. This is very true. The bigger the man, the less speed, agility, reflexes, co-ordination, balance and stamina he tends to have. Fury is freakish in this regard because he has many of the cruiserweight/small heavyweight advantages while also being the biggest elite super-heavyweight of all time and he punches harder than 320 lbs Valuev.

Vitali stopped opponents by accumulation. Wlad had far superior punching power. How many of Fury's KO's were actually KO's where a fighter couldn't beat the count? Far less than guys like Whyte because he doesn't hit as hard. Stay off boxrec kid it shows you're a newb. All of these stats are on boxrec lol. Whyte may be a bigger puncher than Fury overall but he has faced inferior opposition, is more aggressive and still has a lower KO ratio. So either Whyte is a non-puncher with his 60% KO ratio or Fury is underrated.

interesting factoid: Big men don't tend to be devistating punchers. For a big men Fury actually has decent power. Think about some big guys at heavyweight: Valuev, Canera, Bone Crusher, etc... That smoking hot female boxer who hit the punching machine in Vegas and broke it? She was 150ish pounds and probably generates what Fury does! (kidding). yeah its amazing that a guy the size of valuev or fury can even be an elite level boxer and have the stamina for 12 rounds. The huge guys tend to be more arm punchers and tend to have a style that is going to favor stamina. If just being a giant was all it took to be a heavyweight champion, then we would see a lot more of these 6'8'' and up guys who are 260-300 lbs but we never see them. They are either slow, uncordinated or dont have the stamina.

its nothing special, theres always been question marks about bum squads chin, grandpa nearly had him out of there in the first fight The last thing to go is your power and southpaw power puncher Ortiz had KO'd Jennings in the 7th round 2 years prior. The fact that Wilder took as many clean shots as he did was testament to the strength of his chin.

Vitali had a KO ratio higher than his brother but he hit nowhere near as hard. KO% doesn't tell you how hard a fighter punches. Vitali fought bummier opponents and was more aggressive. KO % doesn't tell you everything but it's not irrelevant either. It's no surprise that Wlad had a very high KO % while Paulie Malignaggi had a very low KO %.

No a fighter is weight drained when he's weakened by dehydrating to make weight. You're obviously a newb, not knowing this and using boxrec for arguments, so i'll leave you be. :lol1: You have a pea-brain and are unable to think outside a particular context. If a fighter sheds weight and fights below his natural weight, he is weight-drained.

The ranking system in boxing doesn't take amateur pedigree into account, places too much of an emphasis on long past achievements and is subject to political considerations. The version of Povetkin that Whyte beat would lose to any top 30 heavyweight, Rivas's resume isn't even as impressive as Ortiz's, Fury beat Chisora twice and far more comfortably than Whyte did and Parker (who Whyte needed the referee and officials to beat) got a gift against Chisora. Has Whyte ever actually beaten a genuine top 10 heavyweight? Even out of the 5 fights he had against these opponents, he got 2 KO's. 2/3 of Whyte's resume consists of bums. If Whyte was a significantly bigger puncher than Fury overall he would have a much higher KO ratio as he has faced inferior opposition and is more aggressive than Fury.

A Fury fan will say that he has power and point to the Wilder fight. But in reality, he is neither feather fisted, nor a powerful heavyweight. He is good enough, but his resume of lower level competition will never truly show you what he is worth. Similar to Wilder, except Wilder beat his bums by KO. Whereas Fury beat most of his bums by decision. The truth is, had either of them fought better competition consistently, they both would have bean beaten or KOed numerous times by now. If Fury has a 68% KO ratio overall, how did he beat most of the bums he faced by decision? Fury's KO ratio against bums (loosely defined) is 77%.

Weight drained is when fighters dehydrate to make weight. Are you a newb? There you go with excuses again and deflecting. Fury is feather fisted for his size. Everyone can see it apart from you. :lol1: A fighter can be weight-drained (fighting below their natural weight) from cutting their intake of food and water, spending too much time in the sauna or by overtraining. An elephant is not as strong as an ant for his size but he still squashes the ant. It would be a good thing for Fury for his opponents to underrate his power but they are not as dumb as you are. If AJ is wary of the likes of Parker and Ruiz, Fury's power will have an even greater effect on him.