Now, don't get me wrong. I think Fury is a tosser and is slowly being exposed as the liar he always has been. I am partial to Wilder though I think he's a bit of a pillock for his excuses.
But Joshua, I am growing to...despise. Not because of the man himself, ultimately I dont think there's much there to be offended by. Its his audience. I'm a big guy from the "ends" and just find his audience absolutely risible. Its like this weird collection of pathetic beta cuckolds who worship the guy to the point its fucking weird. Ask any of them about his boxing and they're often unable to name anything significant about his arsenal...it just feels kinda like a bandwagon for a guy whose the "it" guy but they don't really know why. I suppose since he he's not hard on the eye and isn't "problematic" like most boxers (especially black ones) that the public gets behind, talent be damned.
He just feels, to me, like a superior Bruno.
All popular fighters can have an element of iffy fans. Joshua does big numbers so there's a casual group within his fanbase. Same with Fury in recent times, as well as with fighters like Davis who have gathered a following. (Then there's Wilder fans have been off the scale since the Fury fight).
It's not just with bandwagoners' though, regular fans can be the same. Fanboys and detractors are just as obsessive and as tiresome as each other, the only difference is that they're on different ends of the spectrum. It's always the same within boxing.
His problem is he thinks of himself as some master technician but he’s not. He hasn’t got the boxing fluidity or coordination to be the fighter he’d like to be or tries to be. Someone in his team needs have the guts to tell him straight he isn’t and never will be a masterful boxer and get back to combination power punching. But he seems to timid to really commit now. That’s a mental block hard to defeat.
it kind of reminds me of Broner, I’ve always felt that he is fighting a style that is actually taking away from his best attributes. Broner looks so good when he lets his hands go and comes forward, but the problem is he fancies himself as this slick defensive wizard like Floyd or something but he just isn’t. So he tries but becomes half the fighter he is when he actually comes forward and let’s his hands go.
Sometimes you can’t be great in the exact way you dream to be and have to just play to your strengths.
Lol. Just started a thread with the premise of what you stated. I think it has to start with an honest assessment.
To be fair, Joshua had a few good rounds, he did a lot better than I thought he would. I can see why some of his fans think he could do better.
He has talent, just has to decide what he is. A puncher? A boxer? Bruno, who arguably was not as talented as AJ did well because he knew who he was in the ring.
His problem is he thinks of himself as some master technician but he’s not. He hasn’t got the boxing fluidity or coordination to be the fighter he’d like to be or tries to be. Someone in his team needs have the guts to tell him straight he isn’t and never will be a masterful boxer and get back to combination power punching. But he seems to timid to really commit now. That’s a mental block hard to defeat.
it kind of reminds me of Broner, I’ve always felt that he is fighting a style that is actually taking away from his best attributes. Broner looks so good when he lets his hands go and comes forward, but the problem is he fancies himself as this slick defensive wizard like Floyd or something but he just isn’t. So he tries but becomes half the fighter he is when he actually comes forward and let’s his hands go.
Sometimes you can’t be great in the exact way you dream to be and have to just play to your strengths.
AJ is a timid fighter now, that’s why. You have to agree.
when you watch how Whyte got ironed out by Povetkin but still had the balls to get back in and take the fight to him in the rematch, or Fury walking right at Wilder in their rematch, you have to admit they’re cut from a different cloth to AJ when it comes to confidence in the ring.
AJ looks petrified in there now, , especially under pressure and fighters never overcome that.
To be fair, Joshua had a few good rounds, he did a lot better than I thought he would. I can see why some of his fans think he could do better.
He has talent, just has to decide what he is. A puncher? A boxer? Bruno, who arguably was not as talented as AJ did well because he knew who he was in the ring.
OP makes a good point.
Anthony Joshua has attracted a fanbase of White British men who hero-worship him. It is very weird. You will often find memes like, "if I found AJ in bed with my wife, I'd tuck him in!" etc. They comment on his social media about how good he looks etc. They attack anybody, sometimes to the point of Doxing, if they say anything bad about AJ. The large majority of these people fit a certain demographic. I think this is down to AJ's handlers being a bunch of posh, upper-class White men. They market AJ in a certain way to milk the British public, and it works. It is made more comical by AJ's strong pro-Black, pro-BLM, pro-anti-White political and racial opinions. AJ is all for "his people", loves Africa, and identifies as African, which is fine. There's no problem with being proud of where you come from, and your heritage. But comical how he does all that then milks these gormless English morons who are so gullible and shallow.
Barrett will dox you... he did that already lol. Proof!
I think hes below bruno at this point but hes still a pretty good fighter, i thought he would beat usyk, as far as his fans, yes they are a bit much and are the reason alot of good posters left the site lol
higher risk than Tom Shwarz and Wallin, which were total cherry picks.
Wallin would beat Ruiz by wide decision. Ruiz is awful.
Schwarz will give you, he’s awful
Because he beat Wilder. Not on his body of work. Name all the top 10 fighters Fury has fought, 2/3? The guy avoids the high risk low reward fights like a Ruiz or Usyk.
Lol Ruiz high risk? The guy is totally garbage. Never did a thing in his career before AJ. He just went life and death with a 40 year old Arreola.
The fact is took AJ 2 fights to beat him and even then it was a timid performance is quite embarrassing.
Usyk I’ll give you, it was risky. I obviously picked Usyk to win so I know that. Credit to AJ for taking the fight because he isn’t in Usyk’s league yet far more popular. He put a lot on the line in a fight that was never going to end well.
Joshua has been fighting top 10 contenders for years. Fury/Wilder cherry pick outside the top 10 unless it's a money fight. Facts are facts.
If Fury is such a cherry picker, why do the likes of TBRB, who in your own words are the best rankings, have Fury as #1 HW in the world above Joshua, even before he lost to Usyk?
We'll see if he does in the rematch. You keep talking about balls, but Fury hasn't got the balls to fight contenders. Only Joshua has been giving these guys shots.
AJ’s best win is a Fury leftover and Fury is the only one who beat long reigning champs in their backyard, one of them by taking the fight to the biggest puncher in boxing. That’s balls for you. That’s why quality beats quantity any day.
AJ has always fought in his comfort zone, usually against old men. Saturday was the first time he fought a really rated fighter that wasn’t old and he looked petrified of Usyk, even though he’s a former Cruiserweight. He’s mentally ruined i think. Credit to him that he gets in the ring, but when the bell goes, reality sets in and he has no confidence anymore.
you guys are just noticing this? lol. One thing I respect AJ for is his sportsmanship. When he loses, he congratulates the winner and even takes pics. He did the same thing with ruiz, But i don't fuck with dude like that concerning his career.
Joshua didn't press him, when he did in a couple of rounds he had success landing big bodyshots. The vast majority of the fight was playing touch in the middle of the ring. Joshua didn't have aggression that was expected, he was reactive instead.
AJ is a timid fighter now, that’s why. You have to agree.
when you watch how Whyte got ironed out by Povetkin but still had the balls to get back in and take the fight to him in the rematch, or Fury walking right at Wilder in their rematch, you have to admit they’re cut from a different cloth to AJ when it comes to confidence in the ring.
AJ looks petrified in there now, , especially under pressure and fighters never overcome that.
Lol still think AJ is any good? - You need to cancel your Sky subscription, they’re messing with your mind and making you irrational.
He’s the ultimate Sky Sports boxing fan. :lol1:
He probably took Hearn leaving Sky harder than his mum divorcing his dad.
He has the tools to do it. He fought the worse fight possible in the 1st, standing centre ring trying to outbox Usyk, giving him the freedom of the entire ring, not using his size at all.
The thing is, Usyk didn’t need the freedom of the ring. From the first bell, he took centre ring. He also walked AJ down when he wanted.
You could count on one hand the amount of times Usyk’s back was even 2 feet near the ropes. He could’ve won the fight in a 16 feet ring.
Hard to see what AJ does. He’s not on that level.
His fans are the typical woke, betas that believe in empty slogans like "Some days are tough", "It's not about how hard you get hit...".
All platitudes to make them feel better until reality gives them a harsh slap in the face.
I suspect AJ cultivated this nice boy, positive image early on his career to attract all these middle-Englander fans. Exactly why most Brits don't take to Fury; because he's raw, honest and doesn't mince his words. And because he's a gypsy. Fuck boxing fans. They're the most sheepish, dense and ignorant sports fans out of any sport.
No i didn't i said he'll go down in my estimation. Atleast i've always been realistic with Joshua, i never claimed him to be a ATG etc unlike you guys with Fury. Fury could/should have losses against McDermott, Wilder and Wallin. We'll see what happens in the rematch, Usyk has been upgraded from a good win to a great one.
All friendly ribbing aside..
do you really think AJ wins the rematch? I think he’s out of his depth, but that’s coming from someone who might be more neutral.
im interested to know how confident the AJ super fans are that he wins the rematch
Joshua fought an opponent Fury would never go near and lost. Not over yet though, now Usyk's stock has risen and is there for the taking in a rematch. Usyk>>>>>>Wilder.
Lol still think AJ is any good? - You need to cancel your Sky subscription, they’re messing with your mind and making you irrational.
I’m on your side trying to give you truth. I’ve been telling you the truth for so long that AJ is a B level plodder. You should just understand some of us understand boxing.
In another thread a while ago, you said you’ll admit AJ isn’t much good if he loses to Usyk :lol1:
Come aboard the Fury war wagon, we’re welcoming, it’s not too late. Back a winner for once.
The fact is guys like Fury and Usyk are elite fighters, AJ is solid at best. He has absolutely no change against either. No chance in the rematch. I’m telling you again now before you get too emotionally invested.
You've used that before on someone else, get some new material.
Wrong, that's the first time I've ever posted that picture on here.
It's funny isn't it?