Wilder, Fury and Joshua v Top 2 HW's

An undefeated cruiserweight undisputed champion who has achieved pretty much more than most of the heavyweight division. There is a reason why he's automatically positioned as mandatory contender. I don't rate Pianeta, Seferi or Wallin either. I do rate Wilder and Wlad so I am not really sure what point you're trying to make. Fury's major wins are sparse, but his major wins are MAJOR wins. Hence the reason why he sits in the P4P rankings unlike the rest of the division. Only a ****ing idiot would sit there pretending that Parker or Ruiz belong anywhere near the top of the divsion. Both of whom struggled with the leftovers of fighters Fury (and even Wilder) beat donkeys years ago. Yeah, because the WBO give their champs an immediate shot. Its nothing to do with Usyk's fighting ability. You still haven't given any valid reasons why Usyk is a TOP HEAVYWEIGHT. You've done an amazing job of telling me how good a CRUISERWEIGHT he was. I never said they are anywhere near the top of the division. The Ring, TBRB, BoxRec, ESPN, Box Live, the WBC, the WBO and the IBF did. In fact, pretty much everyone other than the WBA have both Ruiz and Parker in the 10 top. Wow...and you tell me they are all wrong? Boxing must be one big lie then. And now you've gone full circle with it. You've just spend however long telling me that Parker and Ruiz struggled with the leftovers of Wilder and Fury - and completely forgotten that Usyk went the distance with Chisora and still remains yet to prove himself at Heavyweight. Just go back to sleep, man.

So, explain to me again why Usyk is considered a top Heavyweight? I consider him a top Cruiserweight that has made the move up, but hasn't been tested. What's your rationale? If you go back a few years, Pulev was 100% a top contender. Unbeaten going into a World Title fight with Wlad. That makes him a top contender, by literal definition. I don't rate Pulev to be a great win for Joshua, but its miles better than Pianeta, Seferi, Schwarz and Wallin. Plus its a title defence, something that Fury has never done. An undefeated cruiserweight undisputed champion who has achieved pretty much more than most of the heavyweight division. There is a reason why he's automatically positioned as mandatory contender. I don't rate Pianeta, Seferi or Wallin either. I do rate Wilder and Wlad so I am not really sure what point you're trying to make. Fury's major wins are sparse, but his major wins are MAJOR wins. Hence the reason why he sits in the P4P rankings unlike the rest of the division. Only a fucking idiot would sit there pretending that Parker or Ruiz belong anywhere near the top of the divsion. Both of whom struggled with the leftovers of fighters Fury (and even Wilder) beat donkeys years ago.

Fury beat Wlad 6 years ago. You're saying AJ's win over Pulev last year is good because Pulev was top 2 seven years ago. If these are the same thing to you, you're a ****ing r3tard. Don't deflect, admit you were wrong. My point wasn't about the quality of the wins. Fury beating Wlad was masterful. My point is that things get thrown around that happened a while ago and that is a double standard.

LOL as said, Joshua (love him or hate him) really has an idiot fanbase. Seriously questioning whether Usyk is considered a top heavyweight whilst positing Pulev as a top contender. Hilarious stuff. So, explain to me again why Usyk is considered a top Heavyweight? I consider him a top Cruiserweight that has made the move up, but hasn't been tested. What's your rationale? If you go back a few years, Pulev was 100% a top contender. Unbeaten going into a World Title fight with Wlad. That makes him a top contender, by literal definition. I don't rate Pulev to be a great win for Joshua, but its miles better than Pianeta, Seferi, Schwarz and Wallin. Plus its a title defence, something that Fury has never done.

Fury beat Wlad 6 years ago and that gets thrown around all day long. Don't get salty because you were wrong. Fury beat Wlad 6 years ago. You're saying AJ's win over Pulev last year is good because Pulev was top 2 seven years ago. If these are the same thing to you, you're a fucking r3tard.

It was seven years ago. But you Hearniacs do love taking elderly scalps Fury beat Wlad 6 years ago and that gets thrown around all day long. Don't get salty because you were wrong.

LOL as said, Joshua (love him or hate him) really has an idiot fanbase. Seriously questioning whether Usyk is considered a top heavyweight whilst positing Pulev as a top contender. Hilarious stuff. Yep, it's hilarious when AJ's bumboys claim that another old man victim is suddenly a "top 10 fighter" Just like how they claimed that fat bum Ruiz was top 3 :lol1: :lol1:

LOL as said, Joshua (love him or hate him) really has an idiot fanbase. Seriously questioning whether Usyk is considered a top heavyweight whilst positing Pulev as a top contender. Hilarious stuff. Well, Pulev did have a close fight with Derek Chisora over five years ago, maybe that's why? :lol1:

LOL as said, Joshua (love him or hate him) really has an idiot fanbase. Seriously questioning whether Usyk is considered a top heavyweight whilst positing Pulev as a top contender. Hilarious stuff.

Stiverne was really ranked top 2? And people want to argue about Ruiz??? Yes, Sitverne was ranked #2 behind Klitschko and Povetkin. I bring this up constantly, not out of defense to Wilder, but defense to Stiverne. He was a great counter punching heavyweight in his prime. He also stopped David Price in the amateurs. https://youtu.be/GHelbbjaB3k I dont know how to embed anymore. Whatever lol

TBRB #1 October 2013 - October 2014 (12 months). TBRB #2 November 2014 - December 2014 That's longer than Wilder has ever been #1 and they were both very much active during those times. It was seven years ago. But you Hearniacs do love taking elderly scalps

Stick to the facts. Fury got the better of Wilder in two fights but until there is a rubber match Wilder is still #2. Joshua got pounded down by a chubby guy that took up boxing as a kid because nobody would pick him for backyard football or basketball games. Ruiz was not in as good of boxing shape for the Arreola fight, but he was much closer to being knocked down by Arreola than in the rematch with Joshua. Fury is still king until Joshua fights him or Wilder. Arreola's performance against Ruiz or Ruiz lack of performance however you see it did nothing to help Joshua's ranking. Years from now people will only remember Ruiz getting off the canvas and beating Joshua down and a shorter chubby guy walking down Joshua. Also on the same night Ruiz and Arreola fought you had Parker and Chisora who gave Parker all he could handle. Ruiz and Parker are the only Joshua opponents that he has not stopped. What does that say about his quality of opposition? Fury is undisputed number #1. Wilder has a stronger case therefore to be #2 and that leaves #3 for Joshua. Wilder has fought #1 twice. Joshua hasn't fought anyone significant recently and beat an old Klitschko who could only hold the last few years of his career. Don't believe all the hype "Fast Eddie" stirs up. Now he wants Wilder to fight Ruiz so he can eliminate them as opponents for Joshua and the Fury fight won't happen anytime soon. Who does that leave? Parker or Chisora would make Joshua look good. 'Stick to the facts' Proceeds to blow his load talking about Fury and Wilder - presenting no facts.

- -AJ the clear #1 for years actually won and defended titles loony Fury busted up in his melt down. The poor boy still has Zer0 title defenses, ie none, nunca, 0.00, the biggest dosser in boxing. Boxing timeline 101... Wrong, Fury has defended the lineal title multiple times. If Fury is the biggest dosser in boxing, what does that make your hero Wilder? :lol1: :lol1: Fury is the king of boxing, and will cement his title when he KO's the big useless weight-lifter.

Stiverne was really ranked top 2? And people want to argue about Ruiz???

- -AJ the clear #1 for years actually won and defended titles loony Fury busted up in his melt down. The poor boy still has Zer0 title defenses, ie none, nunca, 0.00, the biggest dosser in boxing. Boxing timeline 101...

Fury was ranked 8th by TBRB before the first Wilder fight and Wilder was 2. Looks like you're going by the December 2018 ratings which were after the fight. You're absolutely right. I'll edit the post.

OnlyTheNonce is going to be really upset when Fury knocks his idol spark out! :lol1: :lol1: You love to see it!!

I consider Usyk a top guy but what that other poster is saying is a lie , that’s what he does on here . I think Usyk is a lot better then Parker , the Chisora fight proved it . But the majority on here doesn’t see Usyk as a top guy but in reality it will be a top win for A.J if he gets to defeat him . I mean, he's a top Cruiserweight. His name has carried him into the HW and his WBO title has set him up immediately. Can't knock the guy for trying - I just don't think he's ready for any of the top 3 HW's. Witherspoon - ok, fine. Chisora, strong performance but I wasn't convinced because Chisora was just wild, as usual. Joyce - meh. Don't want to see it. I honestly think a Ruiz would be a good acid test for at HW before trying to take on Fury, Joshua or possibly Wilder.

Pulev was #2 for like 3 months in 2012. Huge win for Joshua's resume :lol1: TBRB #1 October 2013 - October 2014 (12 months). TBRB #2 November 2014 - December 2014 That's longer than Wilder has ever been #1 and they were both very much active during those times.

Pulev was #2 for like 3 months in 2012. Huge win for Joshua's resume :lol1: