Canelo Alvarez Explains Testing Positive For Clenbuterol in Graham Bensinger Interview! Believe Him?

Either he was purposefully eating a metric tonne of horse meat ON PURPOSE because he clearly visibly physically advantaged during this period or he took PEDS Probably the 2nd one. Trace amounts were found, consistent with eating tainted meat but not metric tons of it. I know you hate the guy but that's no excuse to let emotions overrule logic.

But do YOU believe Canelo? That is the question. And if not, why not? Does he have a history of PED use or of being deceitful, before or since the clenbuterol incident? :lol1: You familiar with the thought experiment known as Schrödinger's cat? Imagine it something like that. I neither believe nor disbelieve (or perhaps both believe and disbelieve) Canelo. The evidence available doesn't support drawing either conclusion so the question is sat - metaphorically - on a shelf at the back of my mind along with a few thousand other unanswered questions waiting until more evidence becomes available and collapses the probabilities... so to speak. You probably think I'm just being slippery but believe it or not I actually do think and frame my own thoughts in those kinda terms... too much acid back in 90s probably :lol1:

Either he was purposefully eating a metric tonne of horse meat ON PURPOSE because he clearly visibly physically advantaged during this period or he took PEDS Probably the 2nd one.

WADA changed the ruling in the light of the fact that it's virtually impossible to actually prove deliberate Clenbuterol abuse in those countries (Mexico, Guatamala and China) where it's commonly used in livestock. Their ruling in no way proves Canelo is innocent of deliberate use. We really got to have this conversation again? :thinking: Whether Canelo did or didn't deliberately use Clenbuterol remains unproven and the WADA ruling changes that in no way at all. But do YOU believe Canelo? That is the question. And if not, why not? Does he have a history of PED use or of being deceitful, before or since the clenbuterol incident?

"I don't believe in sermons or fairy tales or stories about contaminated substances, but thanks for the cigarette baby sister!"

Again, again, notice how Canelo haters and skeptics never ever talk about WADA amending Clenbuterol in 2019?! Lol They don’t want to question scientific authority because they don’t know what they’re talking about. A bunch of {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","data-attachmentid":30875183} s

dude clearly cheated he was built like a tank before he got caught and is now much "smaller" in terms of muscle size, that's all you need to know really. he's a great boxer and 99% of the boxers are probably using some PED's but he cleary was on something.

Ha ha I am fence sitter... generally see life in shades of grey, nuance. Few things are clear cut to my mind. Ms Koba reckons I'm classic Libra.:lol1: But yeah you're right - this one ran it's course. You're OK Mr Bagz.:beerchug: The 1st order is on me.... https://www.mexconnect.com/articles/2398-choice-cut-or-mystery-meat-a-guide-to-mexican-butcher-shops-part-i-beef/

Fence sitter :lol1: If trace amounts are enough to MAYBE win a guy a fight, I'd call that manifest destiny. Let's get back to 2021, where we belong :boxing: Ha ha I am fence sitter... generally see life in shades of grey, nuance. Few things are clear cut to my mind. Ms Koba reckons I'm classic Libra.:lol1: But yeah you're right - this one ran it's course. You're OK Mr Bagz.:beerchug:

Nelo was not the only MEXICAN to have eaten that tasty meat Why single him out as if no other Mexican boxer ate that tasty meat ? https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/28030000/wbc-reveals-new-rules-banned-drug-clenbuterol MFers crying about levels so low, even the testers are lol'ing. Winners win and losers lose. Fate wouldn't have it any other way.

Do Clen haters know what it does to help a boxer ''win'' a fight ? Will they ever apply that knowledge to a Nelo vs GGG scenario ? Nope

You missed out the most hilarious part. The Reynoso's are professional butchers :lol1: Tainted taco meat! I don’t know how eating tainted taco meat passes into the blood stream, but Canelo is clean! So many body builders were in TJ mexicogetting tacos!

he is full of it but everyone else is using PEDs so it evens out hell go look at what happened with BJS. first he went on a rant and said that canelo should be perma banned from boxing. Then he failed his own test and said oh but that was different and it wasnt his fault blah blah blah. Now he is fighting canelo and no more mention of PEDs from him.

You clearly still ain't getting the whole process of drug elimination. Any dose of a drug will eventually become a 'trace' amount as the body eliminates it by metabolisation or excretion. We can't glean any information about how much Clenbuterol entered Canelo's system unless we know when it entered the body. Do you want more information on elimination half lives and pharmacokinetics or am I just wasting my time on something you don't want to hear? ​​​​​​​And for reference trace in terms of detectibility thresholds for which athletes could receive a ban in other countries would be of the order 1 - 10 pico grams per ml.... Candles 'trace' was 600 - 800pg/ ml - in the range of 100x the detectability level - so whilst anything measured in picograms could be called 'trace' in laymans terms in the context of drug testing it most definitely isn't. Also for reference when testing was done on u16 football teams visiting Mexico widespread suspected meat contamination was found but the large majority of cases tested under 200pg/ml... between a third and a quarter of that detected in Canelo's urine. Make of that what you will. Regardless it's still impossible to claim Canelo's guilt because it is theporetically quite possible that he had eaten some heavily contaminated meat in the day or two prior to his tests. It's also possible he had been on a therapeutic (PED level) course of Clenbuterol and had cycled off probably in the range of two or three weeks prior to being tested. Both are possible and both are 'consistent with' the available evidence. And once again yes mismatches are bad and I agree in many cases more dangerous than PED use (although I ain't sure pumping oneself full of PEDs is particularly good for you TBH) but the argument you're using is akin to saying that because murder is worse than rape we should decriminalise rape. It's plain stupid. Absolutely I will argue against mismatches but in no way does that trivialise attempting to gain a competitive advantage by cheating. Now if you want to argue that all or some PED use should be within the rules that's a different question and one that I would happily debate, but I personally would rather see a level playing field. But yeah sure... as I said already I don't believe Clen (which is as you say used mainly for weight loss but also to build lean muscle since it has some anabolic properties)- or in fact most other PEDs make a huge difference - but then when victory or loss in a fight can depend on the most narrow of margins even the smallest amount of extra stamina or strength can make be the difference. :lol1: Look OK I get it, maybe it just ain't an issue to you, that's OK and you're entitled to your opinion... and I agree the benefits gained ain't gonna turn Andre Berto into Floyd Mayweather but they ain't neglgiable either or else mfers wouldn't keep using the **** to try to gain an advantage, even if that advantage is just coming to the ring a bit bigger and stronger than their opponents. Anyway... think this has run on just about long enough... I've explained my knowledge of the events surrounding Canelo's test results and my own position as best I can.. like I say I'd qyuite happily let it lie but a coupla times a year someone pops up and claims there's some kinda 'proof' of Canelo's innocence and I have to go through all this nonsense again. I ain't got it in for Canelo but I'm also always going to be at least aware of the possibility that he may have used PEDs at some points in his career. Ain't a dealbreaker - I'm still a great admirer of his craft and appreciate that he could have taken a much easier route than he did -- but it just means there'll also be a bit of a questionmark there. EDIT: Also on the subject of mismatches we've had a few absolutely overwhelming 'Dogs come through with the W already this year... so I ain't even sure what you do about that. For me massive upsets and Cinderella stories are a key part of the narrative of Boxing but you can't have massive upsets without massive mismatches so even that subject ain't as clearcut as you're making it. At a slight tangent I do have a big bee in my bonnet about weight cutting and rehydrating though - moreso even than PED use. That **** is dangerous for both guys in the ring and also potentially unbalancing. When I see a fight I want to see who's the best of two guys the same size not who can gain the biggest advantage from from being bigger. Down to me I'd have em weighed right before the bell but of course I can see that's completely impracticable. Fence sitter :lol1: If trace amounts are enough to MAYBE win a guy a fight, I'd call that manifest destiny. Let's get back to 2021, where we belong :boxing:

Didn’t read anything… you’re LDBC. :) It's okay. I already knew you were a pretender ;) Just like in real life youre such a loser you need some one to live through. Maybe one day Canelo will give you his personal thanks. Till them keep sucking that imaginary cock

I do as someone who makes his living in the fitness industry, I believe Canelo. also wada has changed the threshold of the levels for what is deemed a efficacious trace amount levels which canelo was well under which means the trace levels canelo had are not significant enough that the amount he actually ingested wasn't even a efficacious dose which can only mean one thing. CONTAMINATION. Now reason that this knowledge already proves Canelo innocent but now take into account Mexico issues with clenbutrol in the meat it fully vindicates Canelo.

It’s typical or LDBC followers not understanding past, present or future tense with quotes or statements. Canelo said if you eat meat in Mexico and you go take a VADA test that you’ll get a nano trace. That my friend is present tense since Canelo cited that WADA amended Clenbuterol. When Canelo in 2018 responded on his fail test he said it was due to contaminated meat because that’s what even VADA’s lab at SMRTL said, “consistent with meat contamination.” when fans talk about the “end of cycling” they’re just making stuff up lol Shut your mouth Mexican LDBC lmfao. You need to make shit up to support your agenda. You're nothing but a liar and a stupid fanboy. So what you're saying is Canelo knowingly ate meat that he knew was possibly contaminated? Yes or no? And why would he do that? Please do tell me why he would take that risk. Knowing that Clenbuterol was a banned substance at that time and risk failing? People like you want to pretend you're smart but you can't even comprehend common sense. Someone with common sense who knew Mexican meat could possibly be contaminated would never risk the possibility. Someone who's team are butchers themselves and who himself is a multi millionaire would never risk the possibility. But oh, since the results were consistent with meat contamination it must be from it? NO. But again, here we have another case of you being too stupid to understand simple concepts. Could it have been from meat contamination? Sure. But could it have also been from being a cheat? YES. Toss in some common fucking sense to the mix and unless you're some stupid g@y fanboy like yourself it's easy to see that Canelo most likely and probably did cheat. There was NO REASON to be anywhere near Mexican meat. Don't kid yourself. You don't even understand the words you use yet act like you do. If I smoked pot and was jailed for it but it became legalized did I smoke pot? Yeah I did. Did Canelo exceed the thresholds at the time he was busted for PEDs? YES LMFAO. A dumb ass who tells me I don't understand past, present, or future tense has no fucking understanding himself. God you're so fucking embarassing.

I think he did roids, his body changed. So did Golovkin/Floyd/Manny/Hopkins/DLH/Ward/Joshua/Fury/Spence/Crawford/Choc/Holyfield/Tyson/Bowe/Marquez/Chave/RJJ. There's too much money at the top of sports, if you have a chance to make millions of dollars it's a no brainer to get every edge out there. Basically every top fighter in the past 40/50 years has been on some form of steroids. Maybe we could exclude Andy Ruiz. Nope. Andy Ruiz's body has been changing dramatically since beginning to train with Canelo. :lol1:

Not even going to watch him try to explain himself. There's nothing to explain. He got caught trying to get an upper hand.

A) And if he did, the amounts were laughingly LOW.....The 6 month ''ban'' was a technicality. Didn't Morales get his ass handed to him during a fight he tested positive for Clen :lol1: ?!!? Maybe Swift was on some shlt since he won. Clen - BoxingScene.com is reporting that Erik Morales' "irregular" A sample test from USADA came up with trace amounts of clenbuterol, which is not a steroid, but is known as a drug that can help with weight loss. Weight loss ! More info - What do clen do https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...clenbuterol-do Let's assume Nelo did do the Clen....losing weight was a strategic move vs GGG ?!?!? If a MFer is gonna cry foul over trace amounts that NO ONE would notice during a fight, why cry ? You know what a REAL unfair advantage is ? Some legit dog being thrown in to pad a MFers resume. But, nah. Mismatches aren't banned :lol1: Trace amounts of whatever is. B) My gripe is One or the other ? Would you rather trace amounts of ''????'' Or Mismatches Let's not be hypocritical. You clearly still ain't getting the whole process of drug elimination. Any dose of a drug will eventually become a 'trace' amount as the body eliminates it by metabolisation or excretion. We can't glean any information about how much Clenbuterol entered Canelo's system unless we know when it entered the body. Do you want more information on elimination half lives and pharmacokinetics or am I just wasting my time on something you don't want to hear? ​​​​​​​And for reference trace in terms of detectibility thresholds for which athletes could receive a ban in other countries would be of the order 1 - 10 pico grams per ml.... Candles 'trace' was 600 - 800pg/ ml - in the range of 100x the detectability level - so whilst anything measured in picograms could be called 'trace' in laymans terms in the context of drug testing it most definitely isn't. Also for reference when testing was done on u16 football teams visiting Mexico widespread suspected meat contamination was found but the large majority of cases tested under 200pg/ml... between a third and a quarter of that detected in Canelo's urine. Make of that what you will. Regardless it's still impossible to claim Canelo's guilt because it is theporetically quite possible that he had eaten some heavily contaminated meat in the day or two prior to his tests. It's also possible he had been on a therapeutic (PED level) course of Clenbuterol and had cycled off probably in the range of two or three weeks prior to being tested. Both are possible and both are 'consistent with' the available evidence. And once again yes mismatches are bad and I agree in many cases more dangerous than PED use (although I ain't sure pumping oneself full of PEDs is particularly good for you TBH) but the argument you're using is akin to saying that because murder is worse than rape we should decriminalise rape. It's plain stupid. Absolutely I will argue against mismatches but in no way does that trivialise attempting to gain a competitive advantage by cheating. Now if you want to argue that all or some PED use should be within the rules that's a different question and one that I would happily debate, but I personally would rather see a level playing field. But yeah sure... as I said already I don't believe Clen (which is as you say used mainly for weight loss but also to build lean muscle since it has some anabolic properties)- or in fact most other PEDs make a huge difference - but then when victory or loss in a fight can depend on the most narrow of margins even the smallest amount of extra stamina or strength can make be the difference. :lol1: Look OK I get it, maybe it just ain't an issue to you, that's OK and you're entitled to your opinion... and I agree the benefits gained ain't gonna turn Andre Berto into Floyd Mayweather but they ain't neglgiable either or else mfers wouldn't keep using the shit to try to gain an advantage, even if that advantage is just coming to the ring a bit bigger and stronger than their opponents. Anyway... think this has run on just about long enough... I've explained my knowledge of the events surrounding Canelo's test results and my own position as best I can.. like I say I'd qyuite happily let it lie but a coupla times a year someone pops up and claims there's some kinda 'proof' of Canelo's innocence and I have to go through all this nonsense again. I ain't got it in for Canelo but I'm also always going to be at least aware of the possibility that he may have used PEDs at some points in his career. Ain't a dealbreaker - I'm still a great admirer of his craft and appreciate that he could have taken a much easier route than he did -- but it just means there'll also be a bit of a questionmark there. EDIT: Also on the subject of mismatches we've had a few absolutely overwhelming 'Dogs come through with the W already this year... so I ain't even sure what you do about that. For me massive upsets and Cinderella stories are a key part of the narrative of Boxing but you can't have massive upsets without massive mismatches so even that subject ain't as clearcut as you're making it. At a slight tangent I do have a big bee in my bonnet about weight cutting and rehydrating though - moreso even than PED use. That shit is dangerous for both guys in the ring and also potentially unbalancing. When I see a fight I want to see who's the best of two guys the same size not who can gain the biggest advantage from from being bigger. Down to me I'd have em weighed right before the bell but of course I can see that's completely impracticable.