2 simple reasons why insecure men hate on canelo

You have the right to root for and like who you like My issue with TODAYS BOXING FANS is that you guys get too emotionally attached and you start acting like Male Groupies. You start bashing and disrespecting all the other fighters who you're not as big of fans and that is so childish and it is extremely bad for the sport IMO If you like Canelo more that is great but that doesn't mean Benavidez, Plant, BJS, Charlo... are not good fighters as well. Now fans tend to go into Full Groupie mode and become extremely Protective of their favorite fighter and make excuses as to why the shouldn't take on potentially risky opponents "Nobody Knows Him" "He Is Not A Draw" "He Needs To Fight Somebody" "Why Don't He Go Fight That Other Guy..." these are common things you hear from the Male Groupies who have ruined this great forum

Here is why we don't like Canelo Alvarez. These are facts and logical reasons, not hate or insecurity. 1. CONTROVERSIAL WINS AND REFUSING REMATCHES. There is nothing wrong with a controversial win. However, when you beat an opponent controversially, the grown up thing to do is to give that man a rematch. Floyd did it with JLC and Maidana. Ward did it with Kovalev. However, Canelo did not do it with Trout, Lara, GGG. Not only did he refuse to give them rematches, he talked trash and acted like he clearly won all those fights when he didn't. This is not how a true champion behaves. He made fun of Lara's defensive first style, but then reinvented himself to become a defensive/pot shotting/"boring" fighter. This is the ultimate proof he knows he lost to Lara if you ask me. Look, I'm not saying he lost to those three. But he did not clearly win. A real champ runs it back. 2. CORRUPTION. Every tough Canelo Alvarez fight seems to have a corrupt scorecard. Stanely Christodulu 118-110 over Trout. CJ Ross 114-114 with Mayweather. Levi Martinez 117-111 over Lara. Adelaide Byrd 118-110 GGG. When you receive a scorecard that is so out of touch with the reality, the only logical conclusion is CORRUPTION. And when you know for a fact 1 judge is biased, how do you know the other judges aren't? Now we can't prove that Team Canelo and Golden Boy are paying off judges or friends with these judges, but when **** like this happens FOUR TIMES, I cannot believe that it is a coincidence. 3. FAILED DRUG TESTS. I really do not need to explain this one. 4. AVOIDING THE BEST COMPETITION. This is the controversial, the ones the Canelo fans get the most defensive about, one because Canelo fans always brag about his "resume." What you conveniently ignore is that CANELO WORKS FOR HIMSELF. That means he is his own boss and gets to pick whoever he fights. Nobody opponent will ever say no to a fair Canelo Alvarez fight. All other fighters work for promoters and network. One easy deflection tactic you use is "Bud Crawford's resume is trash" or "why hasn't Andrade fought anyone." Canelo gets held to a higher standard because HE RUNS THE SPORT OF BOXING. Point blank period. Whoever Canelo wants to fight, the networks and promoters will bend over backwards to make this happen. This is not true for any other fighter in the sport. We know that he could have fought Demetrius Andrade back when he was a champion at 154. Could have fought Jermall Charlo for his belt at 154. Or Jermell Charlo. But instead he chose to fight Amir Khan and Liam Smith. Then those guys chased him to 160 and Canelo still refused to fight them. 5. CONTROVERSIAL WINS DO NOT MAKE A RESUME GREAT. This is more a problem with Canelo's fans. Not Canelo himself. His fans talk up Canelo's resume like it's by far the best thing in the world. But here's the thing. Even though Canelo has fought the best comp, controversial wins don't help your resume. There is still a large percentage of the boxing public that is convinced that he didn't beat Trout, Lara, and GGG. OF course he lost to Floyd. Your resume can't be as good as you say it is if you haven't truly proven that you are better than those four. 6. LIES DESIGNED TO TRICK CASUAL FANS. One of the things that Canelo is so great at, that nobody else does in the sport, is the way he cherrypicks, lies and manipulates things into making the casual fans THINK that he's fighting the toughest opponents, or that he's just doing what the sanctioning bodies forced him to. One example is that he desperately wanted to fight Kovalev. How do we know he was so desperate? When is the last time you saw anyone turn down a Canelo fight but Canelo continued to chase him? That was Kovalev. And we know why. Why would you chase Kovalev when he wasn't even close to peak form or the top guy at 175? Since casuals would think he beat the same prime Krusher that Ward beat, but the reality is he beat a washed up, alcoholic version of that guy. He did the same thing at 160. He didn't want to fight his mandatory Charlo, so he goes to WBC and asks him to create a special belt, called the franchise champion, to fool people into thinking that he was still the champ and wasn't avoiding his mandatory. One last thing. Let's look at the recent fight with Yildirim. One common lie I hear repeated on this board was that the WBC mandated that he fight Yildirim. That's not all true. Mauricio Suleman admitted in his own words, after the WBC ordered the fight with Yildirim, that it was actually TEAM CANELO who went to the WBC and told them to order that fight. That way, they could make it look like this wasn't a cherrypick and he as just doing what the WBC say he need to do. But this as all a big lie. 7. UNFAIRLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OPPONENTS. To be fair, Manny and Floyd did this one. But nobody does it as bad as Canelo Alvarez. From the short fight camps, to the catchweight, to the rehydration clauses, fighting in Texas with corrupt judges like Levi Martinez. Every Canelo Alvarez fight contract is designed to put his opponent at the most unfair advantage possible and ensure that Canelo Alvarez wins There are many more reasons we don't like him, but these are the big ones. To be CLEAR. I have no problems with you being a fan of him, and I am happy to debate this with anyone. These are just the reasons I do not like him, and many other fans do not like him, and this is not hate but truth. @ least Alvarez doesn't fight laundrymat workers like Bum crawTURD. People hate Canelo because he destroys white hopes & is the greatest boxer now

lol this thread is hilarious...two idiots...the ts and that terncebudcharlo guy, who are both pbc fanboys, are arguing about canelo...trouble in paradise? :lol1::lol1::lol1: Not sure why that idiot decided to make this thread everyone knows its the black pbc fans that hate canelo the most.

I mean it's your people that hate him the most so I'm not sure what your on about.

lol this thread is hilarious...two idiots...the ts and that terncebudcharlo guy, who are both pbc fanboys, are arguing about canelo...trouble in paradise? :lol1::lol1::lol1:

GGG was surely going to knock out Canelo if they ever fought. Then after 24 rounds, 72 minutes where GGG couldnt even drop him or seriously stagger him, they had new excuses.

You can argue GGG didn't live up to expectations vs Canelo in those 2 fights, and even vs Jacobs, and certainly vs Sergei. But the only debatable fight in those 4 was vs Sergei. The other 3 GGG won clean, no doubt about it. So your first point doesn't really hold much water.

That guy is an LDBC troll. Both Charlo brothers went missing on VADA testing and he didn’t give Korobov a rematch.... the same Charlos that allow Andrade to invade their press conferences and they do nothing but bring up old stuff... denialism at best. The LDBC lives rent free in your head. I told you a million times I'm not with the LDBC.

Man when Canelo man'd up and had GGG fighintg backwards the entire fight was a thing of beauty.... . This is fanboyism at it's finest when you describe it like that. Jacobs did the same thing and had a lot of success with it. So did Kassim Ouma, Willie Monroe, and even Gabe Rosado. Everyone always knew GGG is at his weakest when he's fighting off the back foot and that the best way to have success against him is to move forward.

That guy is an LDBC troll. Both Charlo brothers went missing on VADA testing and he didn’t give Korobov a rematch.... the same Charlos that allow Andrade to invade their press conferences and they do nothing but bring up old stuff... denialism at best. This is another reason Canelo fans annoy me. You make up this rule that jabs don't count anymore. But Charlo outjabbed Korobov 56-9. Unless you rock, drop, or greatly outland the other guy with power punches, I don't see how you win a boxing match when the other guy establishes such jab dominance. I think most people had Charlo winning that fight, he had Korobov out on his feet in the 12th. It'd be a good rematch though, I'd dig it, but Korobov isn't even healthy and has been hurt forever. And it's nowhere near as controversial of a win as Canelo's, I think just about everyone had Charlo winning. Interestingly, Lara also out jabbed Canelo 55-9. Crazy that the numbers were identical basically.

Canelo Alvarez is a star today because fans like what they see when he fights. No network or promoter can build a boring fighter. The fighter is his main promoter. Very true. You can have the best promoter in the world and still have no success in building a boring fighter into a star. This is not Hollywood. This is about fighting in the ring. Fans want to see sparks fly. Only the fighter can provide those sparks. Not the promoter or network.

Wow this henning clown makes it look like Haymon and Floyd didn't benefit from the Canelo fights. He makes it sound as if they did the fight for charity. What an idiot. He's really insisting Haymon was giving favours to already star materials like Alvarez. He's not using common sense. He's using his basest sense because of fanboyistic loyalty. youre an idiot...but youve always been...so its not a suprise you fail to comprehend..... yes floyd and haymon benefit from canelo fight....but not as much as canelo did....but yeah it was mutual...both gained....which is why the schaeffer/haymon partnership was mutually beneficial and golden boy was thriving overall as a result......but floyd was by far the biggest star in the sport and canelo was still just little saul alvarez till they put him on floyd undercard....thats when the pump begain...and the floyd fight, which floyd didnt really have to do, helped "bigly"....youd have to be a complete dolt to refute that....which you are

LMFAO!!! Those dudes made it sound like Canelo wouldn't even make it to the ring. I sht u not I made good money on the 1st fight. I took bets saying GGG was gonna Knock Canelo the Fuk out!!! In rounds 3, 5, 7. 7 was the highest rounds. thse clowns were around here for years saying that canelos career would end with a golovkin fight in savage fashion...then tried to pretend they didnt say all that...then started making excuses and claiming it def would happen if canelo didnt run.... LOf'ingL

Wow this henning clown makes it look like Haymon and Floyd didn't benefit from the Canelo fights. He makes it sound as if they did the fight for charity. What an idiot. He's really insisting Haymon was giving favours to already star materials like Alvarez. He's not using common sense. He's using his basest sense because of fanboyistic loyalty.

the charlo fight is one that can and will still happen(provided charlo doesnt get knocked off)...youre one of those guys that thinks every two guys need to fight when you want to see it...and they should...it doesnt always make business sense for both guys....charlo prob isnt looking at that fight in the same way you are...hes looking at it when its worth 20 mil or so to him....not friggin 8 years ago when its worth about 2.5.......you probably out here thinking garcia/haney should fight today...or teo/haney should happen today.....lol....these guys are trying to maximize the value in those fights...not fight each other for short money or when only one of them his a household name.......you have a lot to learn about how the fighters and managers think..... I understand that this is the business model of boxing. But I firmly believe this will damage the integrity of boxing in the long term and lead to its demise if this continues. Think about it. In the NFL, the super bowl is played once a year. In UFC, the champion must defend against the mandatory challenger. In the NBA, the NBA finals is played once a year. Every year in every sport, in some cases twice a year in every sport, the best must go up against the best in order to determine who the real champion is. This is what enables these sports to thrive for so long. So while it may not make business sense for both guys, I do think this will hurt boxing if things keep going the way they are,

Who is lining up to fight Andrade? You act like it's his fault. He's tried for Canelo, won't get it. He even walked into the ring and in a nice way explained why he deserved a fight with GGG. GGG still won't give it to him. Billy Joe Saunders he was signed to fight, but Saunders dropped out with a drug test. As much as I like the Charlo brothers, I don't think they're in a rush to fight this guy. I do think these fights should happen today because I'm a fan of boxing. The fans win when the best always fight the best. nobody is...and partially his fault at some point you cant blame everything else and have to look in the mirror...nobody has wanted him to excel and succeed more than me....we both grew up in RI and we love to see our people succeed on the big stage ive long bashed hearn for not being able to land him a big fight....hearn has one of the biggest assets in boxing in AJ..and he cant leverage that to get boo boo something? its kind of absurd.....BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT years ago he backed out of fighting jermell like 3 weeks before the fight...his father claimed it was over money and all this nonsense....andrades own promoter said paul andrade wasnt being truthful about the amount and there were reports the actual money was double what paul andrade claimed it was......and then there was the whole fiasco with roc nation where people claimed he backed out of that fight because ROC told him to and that theyd pay him to back out of it and land him and even bigger fight boo boo can blame himself at some point....cant always point the finger in the other directions...any man who does that has issues soon you will realize the fans dont really matter to these guys....theyre not going to do what you want when you want them to...sooner you realize it better off youll be....the business side of boxing exists and will not cease to no matter how much you wish it would

What stars has Haymon created? You're acting as if Showtime is the only network that gives exposure to up and coming stars. All networks and other platforms do it. It's nothing unique. Canelo was the one giving them favours not the other way around. Alvarez owe nothing to Haymon, Schaefer, Hoya, etc. None. Nada. Zero. He was first introduced on HBO and that already did it. hahahaha haymon was creating stars longer than you realize...youre too dumb to understand......haymon was the one building wilder, spence, danny, etc....tank is already more known than pretty much any fighter 26 and under....and haymon can build more stars when he has more time and resources to devote to it....he doesnt right now because he has too many established fighters to find fights, tv time and money for....hes got wilder and a bunch lesser known HW names......hes got tank...hes got the WWs....the 154 guys...and others....when haymon starts devoting time to building more stars it will happen i didnt say canelo owed haymon or schaeffer or anyone anything ...i said that the schaeffer and haymon partnership helped him greatly and accelerated it....canelos name benefitted from that partnership....thats undeniable.....lol@canelo giving them favors....it was haymon putting canelo on floyd undercards...and haymon giving canelo the floyd fight.....youre too dumb and ignorant to understand...

i never once said that yildirim was a mando or gave you anything like that about that crap fight...its a crap fight and everyone does it..... andrade, who is from my home state and ive known since he was a kid, is still fighting euro champ level comp in his 30s and doesnt have a single good name on it...his best win is sulecki...good win but nobody even really knows who he is..... the charlo fight is one that can and will still happen(provided charlo doesnt get knocked off)...youre one of those guys that thinks every two guys need to fight when you want to see it...and they should...it doesnt always make business sense for both guys....charlo prob isnt looking at that fight in the same way you are...hes looking at it when its worth 20 mil or so to him....not friggin 8 years ago when its worth about 2.5.......you probably out here thinking garcia/haney should fight today...or teo/haney should happen today.....lol....these guys are trying to maximize the value in those fights...not fight each other for short money or when only one of them his a household name.......you have a lot to learn about how the fighters and managers think..... Who is lining up to fight Andrade? You act like it's his fault. He's tried for Canelo, won't get it. He even walked into the ring and in a nice way explained why he deserved a fight with GGG. GGG still won't give it to him. Billy Joe Saunders he was signed to fight, but Saunders dropped out with a drug test. As much as I like the Charlo brothers, I don't think they're in a rush to fight this guy. I do think these fights should happen today because I'm a fan of boxing. The fans win when the best always fight the best. You damn right I want Teo to fight Haney today. Why wouldn't you want to see this fight??

heres the poster TerrenceBudCharlo "every time a canelo fight you want to see doesnt get made its because of canelo...hes his own boss and its his fault if a fight doesnt get made...doesnt work for a promoter or network and can do whatever he wants" heres also him "i suck off a fighter that has a weak resume...his name is in my screename and also theres a picture of him in my avatar...i have to bend over backwards to make his resume seem credible...he also had a chance when his contract expired to move on from his promo company..knowing full well that all the fights the fans want him in are with guys over on another network with another outfit...he chose to resign with the guy that had nothing.....but i still believe its not really his fault those fights arent made....in fact i likely think its the other guys fault" At least the fighter I support doesn't get corrupt scorecards. At least the fighter I support never failed a drug test. At least the fighter I support never avoided his mandatories or any fighter who was calling him out (I still believe the Spence and Porter fights will get made). At least the fighter I support doesn't use rehydration clauses and stipulations. At least the fighter I support doesnt avoid rematches when he has controversial wins. Actually, none of his wins are controversial, but still.

We've all wanted to see him fight Demetrius Andrade and the Charlo brothers for almost seven years now. He still won't make those fights. What gives? There's no excuse. They deserved that fight less than than Khan, Smith, Kirkland, JCC Jr., Yildirim, Fat Kovalev, Fielding? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? In his last 13 fights, 7 were opponents that absolutely nobody wanted to see. And stop it with the Yildirim was mandated bull****, we already have the proof that it was Canelo who told the WBC to order that fight. That on its own is enough of a reason not to like Canelo, who does **** like that? i never once said that yildirim was a mando or gave you anything like that about that crap fight...its a crap fight and everyone does it..... andrade, who is from my home state and ive known since he was a kid, is still fighting euro champ level comp in his 30s and doesnt have a single good name on it...his best win is sulecki...good win but nobody even really knows who he is..... the charlo fight is one that can and will still happen(provided charlo doesnt get knocked off)...youre one of those guys that thinks every two guys need to fight when you want to see it...and they should...it doesnt always make business sense for both guys....charlo prob isnt looking at that fight in the same way you are...hes looking at it when its worth 20 mil or so to him....not friggin 8 years ago when its worth about 2.5.......you probably out here thinking garcia/haney should fight today...or teo/haney should happen today.....lol....these guys are trying to maximize the value in those fights...not fight each other for short money or when only one of them his a household name.......you have a lot to learn about how the fighters and managers think.....