Karlos Balderas no longer with Schaffer

Yeah, there are many factors. Such as the fact that being on a Golden Boy undercard gets you name recognition from industry eyes. Even from casual eyes depending on what the main event was. That's why the only way to remove those factors is to analyze what Haymon and Schaeffer have built WITHOUT Oscar and vice versa. Obviously the answer isn't flattering for one side of that equation. But it is what it is. I saw your rant earlier about people hating Haymon because of his association with Floyd. I'm one of the bigger Floyd fans on here and frequently defend PBC. But just because I like some things they do doesn't mean I have to suck their dick and pretend they do no wrong. answer these questions if oscar was involved and around when richard was running golden boy with al's fighters then wouldnt oscar had known which guys were under contract and which werent? why did this come as a suprise to him suddenly when he became sober and actually involved again...one can logically deduce oscar had little to no involvement......we all know what happened...oscar was running around the globe getting messed up while richard was running it and running it well...he sobered up and got bored and needed something to care about again........so we know that it was al and schaeffer building those guys..in fact they prob had more to do with canelo becoming canelo than oscar because it was dick and al putting canelo on floyd undercards and making the floyd fight....but i wont even try to use that in my argument...because i dont even need that aside from vergil and ry who else has oscar had to devote a ton of resources to? canelo...maybe munguia? thats about it neither ry or vergil are any bigger of a name than tank right now if were being perfectly honest....and tank is really the only young guy hes really pushed and devoted time and resources to...al still has a good crop of young guys he can push when the time comes but he doesnt have them headlining or anything....because he has a roster of guys that is 4x stronger than golden boys....ive already listed the guys that al has to find money/air time for....do you want me to go over them again for you? but you cant find me more than 4 guys that oscar has had to devote any real attention to...and 2 of those 4 are vergil and ry.... see what im getting at? or is that still way over your head?

Yeah, there are many factors. Such as the fact that being on a Golden Boy undercard gets you name recognition from industry eyes. Even from casual eyes depending on what the main event was. That's why the only way to remove those factors is to analyze what Haymon and Schaeffer have built WITHOUT Oscar and vice versa. Obviously the answer isn't flattering for one side of that equation. But it is what it is. I saw your rant earlier about people hating Haymon because of his association with Floyd. I'm one of the bigger Floyd fans on here and frequently defend PBC. But just because I like some things they do doesn't mean I have to suck their dick and pretend they do no wrong. youre delusional pal....straight up delusional...i used to think you were better...nobody is "sucking the pbc dick"...its just reality and ive laid it all out.....what schaeffer and haymon did at GB was WITHOUT oscar.....lol even then...are ryan and vergil stars? are they any more star than tank right now? again...what other valuable resources does oscar have to devote attention to at this point or even a year ago? he had canelo...and now he doesnt....vergil and ry are essentially all he has.....you wont address what i said...you just double and triple down on your nonsense

ive answered it several times...and its not just a simple question because there are many factors....the only thing "simple" here is you and your ability to reason...and that is not in question...its blatatnly obvious....you cant address anything ive laid out for you...move along...weve been over this and you have nothing to add of worth....wave the white flag and stop being an internet ***** who cant admit theyre wrong....man to man in front of a group of boxing fans at a bar you wouldnt be able to stand on your argument and youd admit youre wrong...but its the net and you can keep your pride/ego in tact which is more important than understanding the sport you claim to love Yeah, there are many factors. Such as the fact that being on a Golden Boy undercard gets you name recognition from industry eyes. Even from casual eyes depending on what the main event was. That's why the only way to remove those factors is to analyze what Haymon and Schaeffer have built WITHOUT Oscar and vice versa. Obviously the answer isn't flattering for one side of that equation. But it is what it is. I saw your rant earlier about people hating Haymon because of his association with Floyd. I'm one of the bigger Floyd fans on here and frequently defend PBC. But just because I like some things they do doesn't mean I have to suck their dick and pretend they do no wrong.

It's a simple question, bro. How many stars do Haymon or Schaeffer have that didn't get their start with Golden Boy first? Besides Gervonta. Why can't you just answer it? ive answered it several times...and its not just a simple question because there are many factors....the only thing "simple" here is you and your ability to reason...and that is not in question...its blatatnly obvious....you cant address anything ive laid out for you...move along...weve been over this and you have nothing to add of worth....wave the white flag and stop being an internet ***** who cant admit theyre wrong....man to man in front of a group of boxing fans at a bar you wouldnt be able to stand on your argument and youd admit youre wrong...but its the net and you can keep your pride/ego in tact which is more important than understanding the sport you claim to love

you arent right and you know it...thats why you keep resorting to "by my terms" are garcia and vergil stars yet? hmmm? what he has is a couple of high level prospects.....but even if we consider them stars they are probably no better than tank level...whom al has developed...on top of the rest of als roster which is stacked with names....lol by any terms you are wrong as soon as you accept that oscar had basically no role in developing danny, spence, wilder etc etc.... deep down in that feeble brain you know you would not say this same **** to me face to face....youre hiding behind the keyboard(and im not even on toughguy BS here)...what i mean is you couldnt look another man in the eye knowing that you dont even believe what youre saying..... It's a simple question, bro. How many stars do Haymon or Schaeffer have that didn't get their start with Golden Boy first? Besides Gervonta. Why can't you just answer it?

i tried to explain this to him but i think theres a steel plate in his dome... also he still doesnt understand the idea that haymon has to devote alot more money, time, cards etc to established roster of big names/stars.....whereas oscar has had more resources to put towards ryan and vergil(who are still not stars btw).....you see what haymon can do when he puts the effort(tank) but he cant devote a ton of resources to the younger guys yet...i already listed off(earlier in the post) a bunch of young talent haymon has ...he just hasnt pushed them yet the way oscar has with his young guys....and ive stated the obvious reasons...after canelo GB didnt have a ton of guys that needed alot of attention and resources....its simple shoulder roll knows hes wrong and that ive spelled it out for him....but hes stubborn and this is the internet...if we were face to face he would agree with me...since its the net and he doesnt have to look anyone in the eye he can ramble on with his pointless point and stick to it..he still doesnt understand that all those guys that were with GB were working with schaeffer/al and not oscar lol yeah there’s really no point. it’s like saying mayweather promotions helped to develop mikey garcia because they’ve had him on a few of their cards. silly. oscar did nothing to develop them so why argue otherwise? people are weird

I think a fairly accurate way to look at the Oscar/Haymon/Schaeffer breakup is like a band or music group; all bring their own talents to the table, but the final product is greater than just the sum of it's parts. And when it all ended, two guys walked away with pieces of the brand to keep booking gigs and selling records with (Haymon got the fighters, which had brand-established value, and Oscar the brand itself) and one guy a buyout. It doesn't matter how talented that third individual is, starting over from scratch without the brand is a hard, hard road... especially after being completely gone for a while. I'm sure after sinking cash into Ringstar for a year, it was just more attractive to step it back and look to work with his old partners in a smaller role. And I'm Eric Gomez is a good dude, but there's a reason he used to be the one setting up the chairs at the events. There's no excuse for literally giving away Canelo's title to Andrade and then losing Canelo entirely when you had him signed to one of the biggest deals in boxing history. i hear you about gomez..somtimes its great to have a ground level employee work his way up...but sometimes theres a limit and they can be in over their heads also agree that its super hard for someone like schaeffer to build something from the ground up in this sport no matter how smart he is

eh..i wouldnt slam gomez...in fact hes prob the only thing keeping them afloat...hes pretty well liked and respected in the industry but yes....what happens is the haymon bias...people relate schaeffer to haymon and will hate on schaeffer because of that...they hate on anyone affiliated to haymon because of floyd...its sad...if youre being honest about things you know schaeffer was doing well at GB and things were flourishing.....oscar had no problem letting schaeffer handle things while he was partying...then he got sober and got bored and started to want to do "business"....he couldnt grasp or understand how the fighters werent "signed" to contracts....because thats all he never knew or could understand.......the fighters prefer to have options and haymon prefered to have his fighters have options...oscar couldnt fathom anything else because thats all he knew and some guys get stuck in the past and cant see the future i do wonder what would have happened if oscar let things be...it might stand that things could be exactly the way they were I think a fairly accurate way to look at the Oscar/Haymon/Schaeffer breakup is like a band or music group; all bring their own talents to the table, but the final product is greater than just the sum of it's parts. And when it all ended, two guys walked away with pieces of the brand to keep booking gigs and selling records with (Haymon got the fighters, which had brand-established value, and Oscar the brand itself) and one guy a buyout. It doesn't matter how talented that third individual is, starting over from scratch without the brand is a hard, hard road... especially after being completely gone for a while. I'm sure after sinking cash into Ringstar for a year, it was just more attractive to step it back and look to work with his old partners in a smaller role. And I'm sure Eric Gomez is a good dude, but there's a reason he used to be the one setting up the chairs at the events. There's no excuse for literally giving away Canelo's title to Andrade and then losing Canelo entirely when you had him signed to one of the biggest deals in boxing history.

Ringstar started out as a promotional company but quickly became a feeder stable for PBC. Schaffer seems to have more-or-less become some level of international talent scout for Haymon, bringing him guys from abroad to work with. Regardless of Schaffer's level of success, he was still the brains behind GBP's success. Oscar and Eric Gomez couldn't run a kitchen, let alone a major company. eh..i wouldnt slam gomez...in fact hes prob the only thing keeping them afloat...hes pretty well liked and respected in the industry but yes....what happens is the haymon bias...people relate schaeffer to haymon and will hate on schaeffer because of that...they hate on anyone affiliated to haymon because of floyd...its sad...if youre being honest about things you know schaeffer was doing well at GB and things were flourishing.....oscar had no problem letting schaeffer handle things while he was partying...then he got sober and got bored and started to want to do "business"....he couldnt grasp or understand how the fighters werent "signed" to contracts....because thats all he never knew or could understand.......the fighters prefer to have options and haymon prefered to have his fighters have options...oscar couldnt fathom anything else because thats all he knew and some guys get stuck in the past and cant see the future i do wonder what would have happened if oscar let things be...it might stand that things could be exactly the way they were

Ringstar started out as a promotional company but quickly became a feeder stable for PBC. Schaffer seems to have more-or-less become some level of international talent scout for Haymon, bringing him guys from abroad to work with. Regardless of Schaffer's level of success, he was still the brains behind GBP's success. Oscar and Eric Gomez couldn't run a kitchen, let alone a major company.

if oscar had any hand in developing the guys that haymon has when they were with golden boy how come he had no clue they didnt have exclusive golden boy contracts? thats because he had no clue because HE WASNT INVOLVED!!!! thats why when he sobered up, and got bored, he started getting involved in looking at the business and broke it up....lol...oscar had no hand in developing any of the guys al took with him...in fact those guys had more to do with canelo than oscar ever did in reality! thats just fact...and the facts and history and timelines all back that up oscar has vergil and ry...thats about all hes done...and its because he can devote alot of resources to them because he doesnt have much else going on there....thats just reality and fact....sip on it

I specified what I believe. Oscar can develop stars with no ties to Haymon or Schaeffer. Haymon or Schaeffer haven't proven that they can develop stars with no ties to Oscar (with the exception of Gervonta Davis.) If you can prove me wrong then do so. Otherwise just accept that I'm right. you arent right and you know it...thats why you keep resorting to "by my terms" are garcia and vergil stars yet? hmmm? what he has is a couple of high level prospects.....but even if we consider them stars they are probably no better than tank level...whom al has developed...on top of the rest of als roster which is stacked with names....lol by any terms you are wrong as soon as you accept that oscar had basically no role in developing danny, spence, wilder etc etc.... deep down in that feeble brain you know you would not say this same **** to me face to face....youre hiding behind the keyboard(and im not even on toughguy BS here)...what i mean is you couldnt look another man in the eye knowing that you dont even believe what youre saying.....

your terms arent the end all be all. we’re discussing developing a fighter and oscar didnt have anything to do with that when it came to spence or plant (or a lot of other fighters for that matter). he wasnt choosing the opponents, mapping out a plan, nothing. it is what it is how long are you going to be this stubborn? i mean...its like damn..."im not wrong technically..my mom told me im smart and a winner so i cant be wrong"....give it up guy....try reality....i know you arent really this dumb.... I specified what I believe. Oscar can develop stars with no ties to Haymon or Schaeffer. Haymon or Schaeffer haven't proven that they can develop stars with no ties to Oscar (with the exception of Gervonta Davis.) If you can prove me wrong then do so. Otherwise just accept that I'm right.

They don't count according to the terms I laid out. If you want to change requirements thats up to you. how long are you going to be this stubborn? i mean...its like damn..."im not wrong technically..my mom told me im smart and a winner so i cant be wrong"....give it up guy....try reality....i know you arent really this dumb....

your terms arent the end all be all. we’re discussing developing a fighter and oscar didnt have anything to do with that when it came to spence or plant (or a lot of other fighters for that matter). he wasnt choosing the opponents, mapping out a plan, nothing. it is what it is i tried to explain this to him but i think theres a steel plate in his dome... also he still doesnt understand the idea that haymon has to devote alot more money, time, cards etc to established roster of big names/stars.....whereas oscar has had more resources to put towards ryan and vergil(who are still not stars btw).....you see what haymon can do when he puts the effort(tank) but he cant devote a ton of resources to the younger guys yet...i already listed off(earlier in the post) a bunch of young talent haymon has ...he just hasnt pushed them yet the way oscar has with his young guys....and ive stated the obvious reasons...after canelo GB didnt have a ton of guys that needed alot of attention and resources....its simple shoulder roll knows hes wrong and that ive spelled it out for him....but hes stubborn and this is the internet...if we were face to face he would agree with me...since its the net and he doesnt have to look anyone in the eye he can ramble on with his pointless point and stick to it..he still doesnt understand that all those guys that were with GB were working with schaeffer/al and not oscar lol

They don't count according to the terms I laid out. If you want to change requirements thats up to you. your terms arent the end all be all. we’re discussing developing a fighter and oscar didnt have anything to do with that when it came to spence or plant (or a lot of other fighters for that matter). he wasnt choosing the opponents, mapping out a plan, nothing. it is what it is

nah they count because you have to choose their opponents, not oscar. that’s developing a fighter. getting them on the card was easy since they had a pipeline but developing fighter is about having a plan. oscar wasnt involved in any development. They don't count according to the terms I laid out. If you want to change requirements thats up to you.

My argument is that Oscar has proven he can develop stars with no ties to Schaeffer and Haymon...while Schaefer and Haymon haven't proven they can develop stars with no ties to Oscar. Gervonta Davis being the only exception. Spence and Plant have ties to Oscar so, again, they don't count. nah they count because you have to choose their opponents, not oscar. that’s developing a fighter. getting them on the card was easy since they had a pipeline but developing fighter is about having a plan. oscar wasnt involved in any development.

nah they do. they werent gbp fighters so gbp had no say in who they fought. My argument is that Oscar has proven he can develop stars with no ties to Schaeffer and Haymon...while Schaefer and Haymon haven't proven they can develop stars with no ties to Oscar. Gervonta Davis being the only exception. Spence and Plant have ties to Oscar so, again, they don't count.

Spence and Caleb Plant appeared on Golden Boy undercards so they don't count as having been developed only under Al Haymon. nah they do. they werent gbp fighters so gbp had no say in who they fought.