Is Ryan on that Canelo good-good stuff

Okay let’s play this game. I don’t think Ryan Garcia is on anything, I have no evidence that he is or isn’t on something. It would be unsubstantiated and senseless to assume anything. But 1. Anyone who thinks any boxer is on PED’s, I suggest you to hit the gym for at least 4 months or so. Go hard. You will 100% guaranteed have at least one guy spread a rumor of you being on steroids. It happened to me and I take nothing but 100% whey protein and occasionally load up on creatine. But never steroids. The first thing that is spread by dad-bods who have no work ethic in them and have not even looked at a dumbbell in a while is that you are on something. It is so hard for them to get up off their lazy asses and workout, that when someone does it and achieves amazing results due to hard work, they think it was done with the help of drugs. It has happened to me and honestly? I take it as a compliment. 2. Is Campbell not a good win or did Garcia needed steroids to beat him? Is Campbell now so good that you need steroids to beat him? 3. I’m not sure how much you guys know about steroids, but I can tell you it doesn’t turn a scrub into an all-star. I’m not entirely sure what knowledge you guys have of the different steroids and what they actually do for you. I personally know steroid users and even know how to get the stuff legit. No fake stuff, legit injections. Seen them used too, and what it can make someone do. It will not turn some lazy guy into a beast. For steroids to work properly you have to work really, really hard. It’s not the magic pill some of you are picturing. Steroids will not turn a crap fighter in a top 10 P4P fighter. For example steroids probably can’t turn Julio Cesar Chavez Jr into a gym beast. I don’t know how else to put it: steroids aren’t magic or some form of instant transformation injection. Before Barry Bonds was using PED’s he was already a superstar player with power, speed and great contact. PED’s did not raise Barry Bonds contact at the plate. It raised his strength in the gym and with hard work+PED’s, he became bigger and more powerful. This to go with his already superstar contact made him a home run hitting machine. Same with McGuire, Sosa, Canseco, etc. These guys were already superstars pre-PED’s. They were already on the path of HOF pre-PED’s. PED’s don’t make a scrub an ATG. I can take PED’s all I want. If I suck at boxing at the top level, or have a sh.t chin, I will always suck. There’s nothing PED’s can do for me in terms of raising my level of skill, speed, defense, timing, or work ethic. 1) the thread starter has a very unhealthy obsession with Golovkin 2) this thread is CLEARLY, and OBVIOUSLY, making excuses to justify why he lost to Canelo that is exactly what this thread is about, and that has been obvious right from page 1 not disagreeing with anything you said, just getting straight to the REAL point

Okay let’s play this game. I don’t think Ryan Garcia is on anything, I have no evidence that he is or isn’t on something. It would be unsubstantiated and senseless to assume anything. But 1. Anyone who thinks any boxer is on PED’s, I suggest you to hit the gym for at least 4 months or so. Go hard. You will 100% guaranteed have at least one guy spread a rumor of you being on steroids. It happened to me and I take nothing but 100% whey protein and occasionally load up on creatine. But never steroids. The first thing that is spread by dad-bods who have no work ethic in them and have not even looked at a dumbbell in a while is that you are on something. It is so hard for them to get up off their lazy asses and workout, that when someone does it and achieves amazing results due to hard work, they think it was done with the help of drugs. It has happened to me and honestly? I take it as a compliment. 2. Is Campbell not a good win or did Garcia needed steroids to beat him? Is Campbell now so good that you need steroids to beat him? 3. I’m not sure how much you guys know about steroids, but I can tell you it doesn’t turn a scrub into an all-star. I’m not entirely sure what knowledge you guys have of the different steroids and what they actually do for you. I personally know steroid users and even know how to get the stuff legit. No fake stuff, legit injections. Seen them used too, and what it can make someone do. It will not turn some lazy guy into a beast. For steroids to work properly you have to work really, really hard. It’s not the magic pill some of you are picturing. Steroids will not turn a crap fighter in a top 10 P4P fighter. For example steroids probably can’t turn Julio Cesar Chavez Jr into a gym beast. I don’t know how else to put it: steroids aren’t magic or some form of instant transformation injection. Before Barry Bonds was using PED’s he was already a superstar player with power, speed and great contact. PED’s did not raise Barry Bonds contact at the plate. It raised his strength in the gym and with hard work+PED’s, he became bigger and more powerful. This to go with his already superstar contact made him a home run hitting machine. Same with McGuire, Sosa, Canseco, etc. These guys were already superstars pre-PED’s. They were already on the path of HOF pre-PED’s. PED’s don’t make a scrub an ATG. I can take PED’s all I want. If I suck at boxing at the top level, or have a sh.t chin, I will always suck. There’s nothing PED’s can do for me in terms of raising my level of skill, speed, defense, timing, or work ethic.

No, we don't know that at all really. We know he had Clen in his system and failed tests less than a year before that fight though. That we do know. He probably just got his cycles better timed in the rematch. Or maybe he was clean. Who knows. yep, we do... "I think he’s vindicated. I think that he fought the kind of fight that his fans and the fans in general expected. He fought the kind of fight that he talked about. He made a mistake and we have to believe that he did it, he was checked twelve to fourteen times for this fight and they were all negative. I believe that he erased the issues that he had in May. What a great champion he is. He’s the champion today. Canelo fought the fight that he needed to fight today to win. The judges saw him win. That’s what’s important. You have to give credit to Canelo, instead of trying to say what we didn’t do. He fought a great fight." ~Abel Sanchez you are still broken-hearted is all let it go dude, the better man won I told everyone what the REAL problem was in this thread :lol1::lol1:

FACT: we KNOW that Canelo was clean in the rematch, when he spanked Hypekin and took all his titles we know this LMAO No, we don't know that at all really. We know he had Clen in his system and failed tests less than a year before that fight though. That we do know. He probably just got his cycles better timed in the rematch. Or maybe he was clean. Who knows.

Man I literally do not care at all what people think happened in those 2 fights. I think it is obvious what happened. I know what I saw. I can't believe people honestly try to say those fights were close as far as who won. They really weren't. I've watched hundreds of fights and scored them. Those weren't difficult ones. Canelo just got outworked in both fights, it is what it is. Who cares. Old news really. As for him being on drugs in fight 2, he probably was, but I don't care about that either. FACT: we KNOW that Canelo was clean in the rematch, when he spanked Hypekin and took all his titles we know this LMAO

someone is still blurting out crybaby excuses to justify why his girlfriend got spanked and lost all her titles :lol1::lol1: FACT: we KNOW Canelo was clean in the rematch LMAO https://www.askideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Funny-Crying-Baby-Face-Photo.jpg Man I literally do not care at all what people think happened in those 2 fights. I think it is obvious what happened. I know what I saw. I can't believe people honestly try to say those fights were close as far as who won. They really weren't. I've watched hundreds of fights and scored them. Those weren't difficult ones. Canelo just got outworked in both fights, it is what it is. Who cares. Old news really. As for him being on drugs in fight 2, he probably was, but I don't care about that either.

Have to be naive to think otherwise. Even when i was in the Marine Corps guys did cycles. Sports science has come a long way. Yep to deny it, is to deny reality really

someone is still blurting out crybaby excuses to justify why his girlfriend got spanked and lost all her titles :lol1::lol1: FACT: we KNOW Canelo was clean in the rematch LMAO https://www.askideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Funny-Crying-Baby-Face-Photo.jpg

Yep, agreed. The money/environment etc are just too much sometimes I imagine. Have to be naive to think otherwise. Even when i was in the Marine Corps guys did cycles. Sports science has come a long way.

As u see, I got you to admit your agenda or was it rhetorical? If it’s obvious why pose a question? R u unsure? Don’t be skurrrrred! As usual, you make little sense

I think he is. Listen, top athletes in ANY sport (NFL NBA MLB) are doping. And listen, if I was going to make millions of dollars for winning I would use every advantage possible. Am I saying these guys don't hit their respective gyms hard? No. But they also use drugs to recover/enhance performance. Yep, agreed. The money/environment etc are just too much sometimes I imagine.

As mentioned, he changed trainers after the MD 'win' over Morales. That was in Sept of 2018. This was his 5th fight with the Reynosos. I would expect some progression from Ryan, perhaps even in his first fight, with the Reynosos working with him. I just think he is pretty clearly on the gear too, the good stuff. - -Y U do drugs? Viagra too! U drug expert?

I think he is. Listen, top athletes in ANY sport (NFL NBA MLB) are doping. And listen, if I was going to make millions of dollars for winning I would use every advantage possible. Am I saying these guys don't hit their respective gyms hard? No. But they also use drugs to recover/enhance performance.

Even if the OP didn’t want to acknowledge what you’re saying, the aim is to discredit Canelo and Ryan so it doesn’t matter you say ;) These threads are made to discredit any association to Team Canelo, not about the reality of Ryan’s performance Not at all. Just bringing up the obvious really.

It’s very easy to learn a lot in a boxing gym. It’s like a hands-on apprenticeship of boxing. You will automatically become better. The work these guys put in is ridiculous, and stuff rubs off on you. When I went in and saw what they did, it was intimidating to me. I was a guy who only put on gloves and swung on dudes as best I could, as properly that I could. I didn’t do none of that fancy training boxing gym rats did. I learned a lot in there. Going to train in a gym full of pros is probably like a gold mine. Why do people continue to say he never was in such an environment until 2 years ago? He wasn't just plucked from obscurity.

Have you ever boxed, like at least sparring in a gym for a period of years? I started boxing at 12, in basements and building lobbies. I was very crude and didn’t know much even though I copied what I saw on tv. I went to a boxing gym very late, too late, because I could not afford a gym membership. I grew up in poverty and had no support. Anyway the coach told me I am naturally good but that I started coming to the gym too late and if I am going to do this then it has to be a 24/7 thing. He said I can’t do anything else in my life other than boxing, if I wanna make it. Anyway to cut to the chase, I learned a lot being in the gym with those gym rats. None of them world champions or pros or anything like that. But they worked hard and that hard work rubs off on you. I definitely learned a lot from them but ultimately I had to go work and go to school and I was not about to do boxing 24/7. If you put a young boxer in a gym with pros, some of the best pro boxers in the world, with professional trainers, good cutmen, good chefs, a promoter who was once the biggest draw in boxing you’re going to have an amazing level of learning, and very fast. But again, you’d have to first have been in that environment in order to understand how these changes happen. It’s really not all about steroids. The point there, as mentioned before, is that he was always in a world class environment. He has been the darling of De la Hoya and Golden Boy ever since he turned pro. He had a long and extensive amateur career. He didn't just suddenly jump into a world class environment 2 years ago.

Ryan is definitely juicing like his hero canelo. Both are phaggots and cowards

I knew you would do this very thing, which is why I should've stopped responding a while ago. This is a prime example of someone brutally losing an argument, but grasping at any straw they can. All were young contenders that had struggle fights on the way up, then dominated legit champions. I'm officially done here. There is zero consistency to your arguments and they make no sense. You completely ignore Mayorga, claim 'Dawson and Castillio had more experience than Garcia", but give Doug Jones complete credit for beating a 9-0 Foster that was 6 years and 20+ fights removed (Ironically the time Dawson was pro before facing Harding) from his career prime. You've also completely ignored the Foster being out of his prime point, which totally negates your Doug Jones "great win" argument. Its also hilarious when you say "I believe Harding only lost to Jones, Johnson etc" like you didn't just spend a whole hour on boxrec thinking of ways to counter my argument (and failing miserably to do so). The projection is strong with you

Hard work and dedication. Theres no such thing as peds. Drugs make healthy people sick.

Even if the OP didn’t want to acknowledge what you’re saying, the aim is to discredit Canelo and Ryan so it doesn’t matter you say ;) It’s very easy to learn a lot in a boxing gym. It’s like a hands-on apprenticeship of boxing. You will automatically become better. The work these guys put in is ridiculous, and stuff rubs off on you. When I went in and saw what they did, it was intimidating to me. I was a guy who only put on gloves and swung on dudes as best I could, as properly that I could. I didn’t do none of that fancy training boxing gym rats did. I learned a lot in there. Going to train in a gym full of pros is probably like a gold mine.