Deontay Wilder vs Oleksandr Usyk

No way, this is not a competitive fight. If Usyk was having trouble with Chisora and Bellew theres no way he'd be competitive vs Wilder. He didn’t ‘have trouble’ with either though, he won both fights comfortably At this level not matter how good you are you will get caught with shots just because Chisora and Bellew landed a few here and there it’s viewed as a failure on Usyks part?? Yes he gets caught by the odd jab or short hook, but the way Wilder winds up that big overhand right, Usyk will have chance to smoke a cigarette before he slips it

How is someone who can’t win rounds the second hardest fight for Usyk who thrives on angles and non stop moving . Usyk isn’t going to lose to anyone who can’t set up shots and make him desperate to unravel by being behind in a fight and making mistakes. Thread closed!!

It sounds good but it’s a bit of a stretch, and if it was fixed the round Ortiz nearly won wouldn’t have happened. that first wilder vs ortiz fight wasn't a fix at all, they needed corruption to get through though. watch this and just have a think about why all that was allowed to happen it's the second fight im sure was fixed. different time and context. the competition with matchroom, dazn..with big money vs aj on the line but the only way to really make that fight would mean conceding to dazn..remember in a post aj loss context, it's no longer a big ppv fight. if aj was unbeaten you could argue that aj vs wilder becomes so big, that it generates at least 2m ppv buys and makes it impossible for dazn to front the costs for. only a ppv fight would work and it'd be great for fox/showtime vs dazn. aj losing killed that dream.. so lose to dazn, prove that ppv is dead, concede wilder, a big L. or just take a L vs fury and cash in? btw i actually think wilder was set up by his own side vs fury. i dont think he took an L willingly, he's too proud for that. i think someone spiked his drink....and even better his own people did it to just cash in. what were the odds on fury stopping wilder? "Fury to win by knockout is 14/1 and a technical knockout is 7/1, so there's little confidence in him delivering on this promise." 7/1 so brieland throwing in the towel possibly cost someone more than twice the profit? dont forget wilder literally accused the guy of spiking his drink, even though it was the otherguy handling the water bottle, watching the hand wrapping etc. perhaps wilder isnt delusional and genuinely felt something was iffy about himself once he drank that water?

will Wilder fight again though? it's been an eternity and he still hasn't hinted at a fight

- -Uncle Al still Deyonce nursemaid? Brezeale rematch anyone?

im not the first and wont be the last to call it when a fight is fixed. do you think fights dont get fixed in boxing and it's all legit? you realise dazn got into boxing in america only after sports betting was legalised nationally? they're all milking it from fixed fights, but obv they cant just give the game away. a high profile fix cant just be done so easily, where does the money go? how do you wash all that illegal money? al haymon with the 'money under the table' dazn's one was even better sold off perform group and merged it into a much bigger company you dont need to have watched ozark to know wtf was going on there before the mother of all fixes.. but 'tin foil hat doe' It sounds good but it’s a bit of a stretch, and if it was fixed the round Ortiz nearly won wouldn’t have happened.

Usyk whoops Wilder who I believe is a broken man and may never fight again. Wilder never was any good. He was carefully managed into a full blown hype job who got exposed when a cherry pick went wrong. You are correct, he is mentally weak and therefore broken. His head is in bits with all the excuses and weird stories. He may never fight again, but if he does it will only be against weak opposition or a Fury payday if he can make it happen. He is a pos who has said he'd like to kill a man in the ring. His mouth is full of lies and has no problem slandering the guy who tried to fight him.

Did you type all that under the influence of drugs or are you a tin foil hat nut? None of those fights were fixed, what does Ortiz blood pressure matter when he nearly knocked out the champ? He didn’t stay down after big shots from Ortiz or Fury or anyone else. All of the top heavies have been down. Usyk was out boxed not beciause of a master plan, he was just outboxed until they blew out... im not the first and wont be the last to call it when a fight is fixed. do you think fights dont get fixed in boxing and it's all legit? you realise dazn got into boxing in america only after sports betting was legalised nationally? they're all milking it from fixed fights, but obv they cant just give the game away. a high profile fix cant just be done so easily, where does the money go? how do you wash all that illegal money? al haymon with the 'money under the table' dazn's one was even better sold off perform group and merged it into a much bigger company you dont need to have watched ozark to know wtf was going on there before the mother of all fixes.. but 'tin foil hat doe'

Watch the Fury fights again, or at least just a little, and see how Tyson picks and chooses when to follow wilder into a corner. There's a big set up Wilder was going for Tyson wouldn't give him in either fight, based on footwork and juxtaposition. Not saying you're wrong, pressure is right, but not to be confused with swarming ala Mike Tyson or some such similar. If Usyk sticks on him too much he'll be knocked right down. This is what Usyk would have to be looking for is Deontay's set up, I think he'd need to keep Deotay moving - turning especially, and controlling range - to stop him from getting it off, or drawing it out for the counter. Whichever way he does it though it's a high risk strategy... Deontay only really needs to land one clean I think. Usyk wouldn't be getting up from the shot that dropped Fury for 9.5 seconds to my mind. It's also worth noting that just because Fury found a blueprint that worked for his bigger dimensions it took him 12 rounds to figure out how really put Deontay on the back foot. We've seen over and over that Usyk takes time to figure opponents out in the ring often 3 or 4 rounds, but that he's extremely cautious - coy even - until he believes it's safe to open up... it's a trait he kinda shares with Lomachenko and we say only a coupla months back that it's a strategy which can backfire.

Usyk is not an elusive boxer. He doesn't move his head and can be hit. Wilder will land at some point early on and knock him out. People should stop referencing what Tyson Fury did to Wilder in the second fight. Fury is a 6 ft 9 inch 273 pound heavyweight. Usyk doesn't have those physical tools to pull that off so he will have to come to the taller, longer Wilder to be able to land his shots. Wilder punching down on the smaller Usyk coming in, I see a brutal KO occurring.

Deontay vs Usyk? Yes please.:boxing: Ima say Usyk by wide about 65% and Deontay by KO about 35%. There's a blueprint there that you gotta keep the pressure on Deontay and I think Usyk can pull that off, but he's gonna be going into high risk territory early whilst he's trying to figure out Deontay's speed and timing. Honestly be cool to see this fight whichever way it goes though, I know dudes love to shet on Deontay and there's no doubt some of his excuses have been... odd, but there's always gonna be a level of expectation when you got someone who can punch like that. I'm in.

'bellew was outboxing him' and how did that work out? he knew bellew would gas out. key thing about usyk is he doesn't need to show his hand against opponents like bellew and chisora. he's a lot better than that. As for taking big shots off Ortiz and Fury, which fight? Ortiz 1, took big shots..but have you forgotted the corruption that ensued? forgotten that ortiz failed his medical for high blood pressure 1hour before the fight? the second ortiz fight was a dud, a total fix where ortiz took a dive for the money. I firmly believe ortiz took a dive, no questions about it. Then seeing ortiz's recent fight with flores, seems to be a pbc speciality. Hard to really gauge anything from that, in fact i even think fury vs wilder 1 was fixed. both sides shaking hands and agreeing to a dodgy pre-determined draw that showcases both their strengths and make joshua look bad. fury in the first fight didnt really put it on Wilder and was 50% his best, in the second one we know what went down. sidenote, wilder only took the fight AFTER he saw fury vs otto wallin. he was trying to avoid fury. Wilder's chin is terrible if he was getting spiked by spiltka and washington. usyk has more power than those guys. Did you type all that under the influence of drugs or are you a tin foil hat nut? None of those fights were fixed, what does Ortiz blood pressure matter when he nearly knocked out the champ? He didn’t stay down after big shots from Ortiz or Fury or anyone else. All of the top heavies have been down. Usyk was out boxed not because of a master plan, he was just outboxed until they blew out...

I don’t see it happening, Usyk is easy to hit, I have a hard time seeing any scenario other than Wilder chinning him. It gets laughed about on here, but Bellew was out boxing him for the 1st 4/5 rounds, and don’t see what the big deal is about him, as if he’s a heavyweight version of Loma. Wilder has took big shots off Ortiz and Fury and was able to recover, he hasn’t got a GGG chin but he isn’t packing ice either. 'bellew was outboxing him' and how did that work out? he knew bellew would gas out. key thing about usyk is he doesn't need to show his hand against opponents like bellew and chisora. he's a lot better than that. As for taking big shots off Ortiz and Fury, which fight? Ortiz 1, took big shots..but have you forgotted the corruption that ensued? forgotten that ortiz failed his medical for high blood pressure 1hour before the fight? the second ortiz fight was a dud, a total fix where ortiz took a dive for the money. I firmly believe ortiz took a dive, no questions about it. Then seeing ortiz's recent fight with flores, seems to be a pbc speciality. Hard to really gauge anything from that, in fact i even think fury vs wilder 1 was fixed. both sides shaking hands and agreeing to a dodgy pre-determined draw that showcases both their strengths and make joshua look bad. fury in the first fight didnt really put it on Wilder and was 50% his best, in the second one we know what went down. sidenote, wilder only took the fight AFTER he saw fury vs otto wallin. he was trying to avoid fury. Wilder's chin is terrible if he was getting spiked by spiltka and washington. usyk has more power than those guys.

usyk might well stop wilder. wilder doesnt have the best of chins given that he was wobbled by washington and spiltka. I don’t see it happening, Usyk is easy to hit, I have a hard time seeing any scenario other than Wilder chinning him. It gets laughed about on here, but Bellew was out boxing him for the 1st 4/5 rounds, and don’t see what the big deal is about him, as if he’s a heavyweight version of Loma. Wilder has took big shots off Ortiz and Fury and was able to recover, he hasn’t got a GGG chin but he isn’t packing ice either.

Usyk wins a lot of rounds but doesn't move his head. Chisora was touching and Wilder won't gas out. Late KO for Wilder. - -Deyonce candy done got melted by a mentally derilect popcorn puncher. U been inhalin' Deyonce gas?

Rubbish... Wilder won’t be getting lit up by Usyk, he will eventually go full windmill mode and one of those will connect. Wilder is garbage but he still has one punch power, Usyk can’t KO him, there is nothing to stop Wilder going for the kill once he gets frustrated. usyk might well stop wilder. wilder doesnt have the best of chins given that he was wobbled by washington and spiltka.

Usyk wins a lot of rounds but doesn't move his head. Chisora was touching and Wilder won't gas out. Late KO for Wilder.

No way, this is not a competitive fight. If Usyk was having trouble with Chisora and Bellew theres no way he'd be competitive vs Wilder.

Usyk gets hit way too hard and I have no idea what anyone is watching when they call him elusive. Imagine him trying to take the punches he took on his arms, shoulders and chin from guys at cruiser and even Chisora...from someone like Wilder. The bum squad is a trash boxer but he'll crack Usyk.

If Wilder has anything left I think he would KO Usyk after losing a few rounds. Usyk does not punch hard enough to bother Wilder or keep Wilder off of him. Unless Usyk has an iron jaw he is getting KOed somewhere between round 1 and round 8 in my opinion.