Stop accusing Bud or Spence of ducking.

Imagine being so stupid to not have the common sense to realize it's spence and haymon who have been ducking Crawford/Arum for years and intend to duck Crawford forever. Pity the fools. yes bro the PBC is the problem, just look who Gervonta fighting

Who’s telling manny who to fight? (...). ... nobody... the same was in Floyd's case... and I don't mind... ... but, but... :)

... "being a ppv star gives you the big nuts"... etc... ... "being a ppv star" in 2021 gives you exactly shit... tbh... ... take a walk, kid... :) Who’s telling manny who to fight? He hasn’t fought in over a year and no discussion about taking his strap, not even a whisper. Manny is a damn senator and part time boxer lol. Canelo turns down mandatories and doesn’t lose the belt!!!!! Please take it slow young man, the two people you mentioned are levels over bud in terms of influence.

... Bud may act "almost" like Pac or Canelo did... not that difficult... (little money on the table right now)... The thing is being a ppv star gives you the big nuts in the room. Bob had to listen to manny, Oscar had to listen to Canelo. Bob can sit bud on the shelf for a year and be ok, he has other similar level fighters in terms of payday. At that point your act might get you burned. ... "being a ppv star gives you the big nuts"... etc... ... "being a ppv star" in 2021 gives you exactly shit... tbh... ... take a walk, kid... :)

Spence is ducking for sure

... Bud may act "almost" like Pac or Canelo did... not that difficult... (little money on the table right now)... The thing is being a ppv star gives you the big nuts in the room. Bob had to listen to manny, Oscar had to listen to Canelo. Bob can sit bud on the shelf for a year and be ok, he has other similar level fighters in terms of payday. At that point your act might get you burned.

And I think the saddest thing is in buds eyes going to pbc may not even solve the problem. Remember he and manni were in the same stable for years, bud wanted to fight him, arum wouldn’t allow it. Sad story ... Bud may act "almost" like Pac or Canelo did... not that difficult... (little money on the table right now)...

And I think the saddest thing is in buds eyes going to pbc may not even solve the problem. Remember he and manny were in the same stable for years, bud wanted to fight him, arum wouldn’t allow it. Sad story

Stop accusing Bud or Spence of ducking. ... Stop accusing Bud or Spence of ducking.... ... never accused Bud... only Spence, tbh... :)

Bud called out Spence. Spence said NO go get a belt. Bud got a belt and then called Spence out. Spence said NO you on the wrong side of the street. Now Bud said Spence crashed his car, make sure he is OK, have a fight and then we will fight. While that happens I want to fight Pacquiao, the OTHER CHAMPION. But to a certain section of the Boxing community that is Bud ducking Spence and cherry picking an old man in Pacquiao over top dogs like Thurman. Exactly. Bud is a fighter and says he wants the fights that fans want. He is holding arums feet to the fire now. What more can we ask for?

Crawford’s recent talk that he doesn’t need Spence to be recognized as an all time great. The best usually don’t talk like that. It could be a negotiating tactic for all I know though. Spence is fearless, IMO. The man drives his Ferrari like there is no tomorrow and his comeback opponent is no soft touch. You could actually argue Garcia is more dangerous than any of Crawford’s last handful of opponents. Personally, I think he's just fed up with it and I wouldn't blame him to honest. Ever since the fight became a prospect, Spence has thrown up roadblocks and fans appear to have bought them.

theres too many excuses made for him, he never even seems to demand the fight himself (crawford that is), very rare ive ever seen a case where two fighters demand a fighter and the promoters say 'we wont do it cause its not in house' Spence isn’t scared, but he clearly said “I’ll clean out my stable of fighters, then fight bud” in response to buds requesting to fight him. Every single fight bud says he wants to fight Spence. Don’t know what you’re talking about.

Yeah I don’t get that too. :love: Obviously he isn’t going to sell himself short at the money table. That’s how big fights works, if he is the only doing the call outs then he has effectively relegate himself as the B-side. He has done what he was supposed to do, he moved up from 140 after cleaning out there, he was told to get a belt by Spence, he did that at 147 and has stopped everyone he faced at 147 including Horn who Pac-Man couldn’t stop. But he is on the “Other side of the streets” according to Spence. So anyone insinuating that Crawford doesn’t want the Spence fight isn’t too well vast in the way boxing politics works. Well said. I couldn't agree more. Just like Bud has said they line em up and he just knocks em down. I would feel like the A side if i was in Buds shoes aswell. Hopefully he goes to the PBC and gets Spence in his next fight.

Bud called out Spence. Spence said NO go get a belt. Bud got a belt and then called Spence out. Spence said NO you on the wrong side of the street. Now Bud said Spence crashed his car, make sure he is OK, have a fight and then we will fight. While that happens I want to fight Pacquiao, the OTHER CHAMPION. But to a certain section of the Boxing community that is Bud ducking Spence and cherry picking an old man in Pacquiao over top dogs like Thurman.

watch crawford sign another multi year deal with top rank. he stays comfy fighting mediocre opposition. Crawford should be free to sign to who ever he wants to be. If Spence wont fight Crawford cuz of who he is signed with surely that's on him.

It's not the Boxers it's the promoters. This whole sport at the top end has turned into a massive game of promoter wars. Big fights been getting delayed or blocked all over the place cuz promoters know they lose at the contract table and straight up REFUSE to allow another one to reap the rewards from promoting the fight on a rival network. FKK the sport this is all business these days.

Stop accusing Bud or Spence of ducking. This is annoying. They want to fight each other. They're not afraid. There are other issues in the way. Let's just hope it happens soon. ... Well -- who is accusing Bud of ducking Spence??? :)

We also had unbeaten champs in Brook and Thurman many years ago. And that fight never happened as well.

watch crawford sign another multi year deal with top rank. he stays comfy fighting mediocre opposition. I won`t be surprised. he is making bigger money than PBC guys.

Sounds more like someone saying Crawford is more than welcome to come join the PBC party. Bud is a man on an island and everyone knows it. Failure to acknowledge this exposes ya as a diehard fanboy, IMO. I'm a fan of seeing the best fight the best. I don't get the fans who want to see either Top Rank or PBC or DAZN fail. I don't care where the fighters are, make deals so meaningful fights happen. Teofimo and Loma are at Top Rank/ESPN, Haney and Garcia are at DAZN, Tank is at PBC/Fox/Showtime. Should Tank go to Top Rank or DAZN because they have more options at 135. The way people like you talk, it sounds like different promoters/networks should monopolize divisions. Top Rank gets Lightweight, PBC gets Middeweight, DAZN gets Heavyweight, but that's not how it'll ever be. There's always going to be fighters spread out and the deals need to be made.