Lopez won the fight, but can we talk about round #5?

:lol1: People don't get 'Run at all, he's actually one of the dudes on here who really knows his stuff but he also likes to fuck with people so it ain't always obvious. Get him talking about the lower divisions and the Japanese fighters and you see it much more clearly. Yeah. He threw me off at first back in the day, but I soon realised.

Lomachenko was far too disengaged

wtf u actually sound reasonable, u must be sick, go seek medical advice immediately!! :lol1: People don't get 'Run at all, he's actually one of the dudes on here who really knows his stuff but he also likes to fuck with people so it ain't always obvious. Get him talking about the lower divisions and the Japanese fighters and you see it much more clearly.

Great response, man. All I can say after your post is that so many punches are a hard call. Blaming the ****ty TV angle. It makes absolutely zero sense to show a fighter's back. Why in the **** would we want to see one of their backs during exchanges? I also noticed that ESPN failed to properly capture some of Lopez punches from blind-spots. I was left wondering if much of his ( Teofimos ) work was clean or not. This first gif is a example, it appears that Loma blocks a looping right-hand, however, some of it may have made contact and the judges at real time may have considered it a clean-punch. I see the guard hand moved completely out of place. Another hard call. Don't think it would have been a "clean" punch, but possibly slightly grazed. Did you take note of the other poor angle from ESPN? There is good reason to believe that Teo returned Lomachenko's jab with a right-uppercut to the body. You got me questioning this one now. I'm not sure. The angle of Loma's body makes it hard to say. It could have been on the elbow/arm, or a bit further left and it would have been on the body. Before the 47 second mark of round 5, did you notice another blind-spot from ESPN? I see Teofimo Lopez shoot a right-hand around Lomachenko's guard. I can tell it lands because Vasily's head slightly snapped upon impact. Another hard one to say. I think viewing this one I thought that the glove shifting out of place showed it landed on the glove. Maybe it made a slight graze? I'm not sure on this one either.

Lopez's body work in the fight was elite! Highlighted a weakness in Loma's guard/defense which his short ass arms don't help.

These mfers still crying. Face it, lomachenko is the new Howard Davis.

Round 5 Lomachenko threw a total of 9 punches landing 5 of them, only 1 of them power punches. 4 jabs and 1 hook doesn't win you a round. Lopez landed 7 of 44 that round, 5 of 16 of his power punches. So he jabbed the whole round to keep Lomachenko guessing and landed several hard body shots. Easy round to score for Lopez. People are really reaching now, throwing 3 punches a minute is barely even fighting.

https://i.imgur.com/AFkqkgU.gif :lol1::lol1:

wtf u actually sound reasonable, u must be sick, go seek medical advice immediately!! https://i.imgur.com/AFkqkgU.gif

In conclusion you have to factor the other three criteria's of judging : effective-aggression, ring-generalship, defense before passing judgement. I say I lean towards Lopez to win round five for : effective-aggression and ring-generalship ; Vasily had better defense, the clean-punches were almost even -- I say that without having counted. wtf u actually sound reasonable, u must be sick, go seek medical advice immediately!!

I gave round #5 to Loma. Not #2, and not #7, which some people seem to have gone with. I looked at #2 again and decided it was still a Lopez round (have not reviewed #7, but gave it to Lopez during the live fight). I think people really need to re-watch this round. For what it's worth, I had Lopez winning 6 out of the first 7 rounds, and of course round 12. Round #5 1:54 Lomachenko jab lands on the side of Lopez head/ear area 1:52 Lomachenko lands a clean right hook on Lopez 1:52 Lopez almost lands a clean straight right in return. Loma did well to step back as it came because it appears to graze his chin. 1:46 Lopez lands a clean right to Loma's body 1:34 Lopez lands a jab to Loma's body 1:22 Lomachenko lands a jab to the face of Lopez 1:17 Lopez might have landed a jab to Loma's body (terrible camera angle) 1:09 Lomachenko lands a jab to to the face of Lopez :47 Lopez right uppercut to the body blocked :47 Lopez left uppercut to the body looks clean but appears to have been partially below the line, so how would that be ruled? :43 Lopez left jab looks like it might have either been blocked or a grazing punch, not sure. :30 Lomachenko lands what appears to be a grazing jab Neither fighter lands anything the final exchanges in the last 10 seconds. They both throw but nothing connects. https://i.imgur.com/e2ZGONR.gif I also noticed that ESPN failed to properly capture some of Lopez punches from blind-spots. I was left wondering if much of his ( Teofimos ) work was clean or not. This first gif is a example, it appears that Loma blocks a looping right-hand, however, some of it may have made contact and the judges at real time may have considered it a clean-punch. https://i.imgur.com/bthDWU8.gif 1:54 Lomachenko jab lands on the side of Lopez head/ear area Did you take note of the other poor angle from ESPN? There is good reason to believe that Teo returned Lomachenko's jab with a right-uppercut to the body. https://i.imgur.com/Az13tDp.gif :47 Lopez right uppercut to the body blocked :47 Lopez left uppercut to the body looks clean but appears to have been partially below the line, so how would that be ruled? Before the 47 second mark of round 5, did you notice another blind-spot from ESPN? I see Teofimo Lopez shoot a right-hand around Lomachenko's guard. I can tell it lands because Vasily's head slightly snapped upon impact. Here is a screenshot that shows that Teo right hand was around Lomachenko's left hand. http://i.imgur.com/jiz6SNQ.gif :47 Lopez right uppercut to the body blocked It seems to me that Lopez split the guard by shooting the right-hand down the middle. Right-Hand down the middle screenshot Screenshot of Teo's left-hook to the body is legal/clean In conclusion you have to factor the other three criteria's of judging : effective-aggression, ring-generalship, defense before passing judgement. I say I lean towards Lopez to win round five for : effective-aggression and ring-generalship ; Vasily had better defense, the clean-punches were almost even -- I say that without having counted.