and challenge themselves. They want them to take on tough fights.
Loma did these things, moving up to 135. He was clearly more human at 135 compared to the lower weights, and had trouble with Campbell and real trouble with Linares, before closing them out in convincing fashion.
Instead of tucking tail and running back down to 130, he stays at 135. He decides to face a dangerous fighter like Teo, when he pretty easily could have waited him out as Teo would have been moving up soon.
Or just as easily, he could have made A-side moves and demanded a 133 catch weight, etc, in the fight.
How can anyone who considers himself a man, get on a guy like Loma for those decisions he made, testing himself and taking on tough challenges on even terms?
Meanwhile many of these same posters revere other fighters who in that same position would have waited Teo out, or would have mandated weight clauses in order for the fight to take place.
Like in what bizarro world do some of y'all live in to say the guy like Loma, who was really challenging himself and not robbing us of the fights we want to see - 'sucks, overhyped etc' and then also defend the guys who hide out and don't take tough fights. Like what world are y'all in lol.
I would never really consider myself a fan of Loma. He is undeniably great imo as well but I don't really fancy the little guys that much. So never really was a 'fan.'
But the reaction of so many on here to his loss has really really really exposed you guys. Like it's been crazy to see a lot of the piling on. Really unexpected and says a lot more about you guys than Loma.
There aren't a lot of guys who can compete with having Russell Jr, Martinez, Walters, Rigo, Campbell, Pedraza and Linares in your 1st 15 fights. I really don’t know how you fail to comprehend the point when I made it simple and plain. Those wins don’t justify calling him the best fighter in the world, already an atg, the most skilled fighter we’ve seen in generations etc.
We know a hell of a lot more now than we did before, that's for sure. Loma engaged and eventually got caught and fucked up. You're just a fanboy. You only think you know a “hell of a lot more” about lopez because you’ve been in a loma wet dream. The fighter who was exposed and that we know even more about is loma. He’s nowhere near as good as he’s been hyped up as.
"Good" fighters don't do what Loma did throughout his amateur pro careers. A "Good" fighter couldn't dismantle a 24-0 Gary Russell Jr with 2 fights, coming off a loss.The only people who care about his amateur career are you dckriders. Stop mentioning it lol. We’re talking about him as a pro.
Grj was a good win but that doesn’t make loma great. Who has grj beaten of note? It’s the same ame with Walters and rigo. Those are just good wins. You fanboys really think those 3 wins make this guy an atg lol. Hilarious.
Yeah, because crying on a forum over people appreciating talent and achievements is so masculine, right? Pitiful.Projection. You quoted me with the crying. This is a crybaby thread made to basically give excuses for loma and you ran your effeminate self in my notifications trying to be sassy and cute in defense of loma.
Well, the guys he beat for his gold medals are a start lol. Ironically enough, they were also grown men. LOL he has nearly 400 amateur bouts, he's faced plenty of men. You're such a hater :rofl:
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Here’s loma’s opponents during his 2 Olympic runs:
2008 (as a featherweight)
Defeated Albert Selimov (Russia) 14-7
Defeated Bahodirjon Sultonov (Uzbekistan) 13-1
Defeated Li Yang (China) 12-3
Defeated Yakup Kilic (Turkey) 10-1
Defeated Khedafi Djelkhir (France) RSC 1 (1:51)
2012 (as a lightweight)
1st round bye
Defeated Wellington Arias Romero (Dominican Republic) 15-3
Defeated Felix Verdejo (Puerto Rico) 14-9
Defeated Yasniel Toledo (Cuba) 14-11
Defeated Han Soon-Chul (South Korea) 19-9
Now you tell me the guys he fought in the olympics that makes him “great”? You tell me why I’m supposed to be overly impressed with him padding a 396-1 record against that level of competition in amateur boxing.
Whether or not I feel he deserved the shot is irrelevant. He beat Gary Russell Jr with 2 fights.It’s not irrelevant when you’re bragging on how fast loma became a champion. 99.9% of fighters aren’t allowed to fight for a title in their 3rd fight and especially coming off of a loss in their 2nd fight. All that “he became a 3 division champ in his 1st 14 fights” bs has to be put in proper perspective. He was allowed to accomplish that due to being privileged. This guy has benefitted from special treatment from the media and the sport itself from the start.
Excuses? Teo had a near flawless game plan and the skill and discipline to carry it out. It was a job well done. I was just running through what gave Loma so much trouble, which anybody with working eyes saw during the fight.The fight was not about lopez having a flawless game plan. The fight was about loma giving away the first 7 rounds before he decided to even try to win. It was about loma either having a lack of courage/heart or him following a stupid game plan. Nobody knows how the fight would’ve gone had loma decided to engage before the 8th round. We can only speculate.
Teo shows skill but we still don’t know how good/skillful he is because it was basically a 5 round fight with most having him losing that 5 round stretch.
The only thing that we know for sure coming out of the fight is that loma is overhyped and overrrated. He ain’t nowhere near that “once in a generation talent” that he’s been pushed in the media as.
You're deliberately being obtuse and disingenuous. Loma being a hype job isn’t based on his stans on the internet, it’s due to his stans in mainstream media. This guy has been hyped up by the media as being the best fighter in the world who’s already an atg and we’ve been calling this out the entire time. So don’t act like we’re just focusing on his stan-trolls and ignore that there’s been a whole media campaign behind him. It was false advertising and more people should be calling out the agenda behind it.
There aren't a lot of guys who can compete with having Russell Jr, Martinez, Walters, Rigo, Campbell, Pedraza and Linares in your 1st 15 fights.
This is BS too. The truth is, we still don’t know just how good Teo is. Loma didn’t even engage for the first 7 rounds. We don’t know exactly what would’ve happened had loma engaged for the entire fight. When loma did engage he landed 44% of his shots on Teo. Lopez still clearly has flaws himself. Does he beat tank, haney, etc? Is he successful moving up? Who knows?
We know a hell of a lot more now than we did before, that's for sure. Loma engaged and eventually got caught and fucked up.
You overrated Loma and you continue to overrate him and make excuses. He’s not as good as been advertised. It’s that simple. He’s not an atg, not the most skilled fighter we’ve seen in years. None of that. He’s just a good fighter. Had he been treated like just a good fighter who may have potential to reach greatness, there wouldn’t be a celebration over the hype being exposed.
"Good" fighters don't do what Loma did throughout his amateur pro careers. A "Good" fighter couldn't dismantle a 24-0 Gary Russell Jr with 2 fights, coming off a loss.
This is that sassy feminine stuff that turns people off. You read off his resume including his amateur career as if people are too stupid to understand context. Maybe you’re too dumb to understand context but I’m not. Nothing you said justifies the “best fighter in the world, already an atg, most skillled fighter in generations blah blah” BS that has been pushed in the media to promote him.
Yeah, because crying on a forum over people appreciating talent and achievements is so masculine, right? Pitiful.
Who did he beat in amateurs that’s supposed to impressive? He was a grown man fighting teenagers and y’all act like that’s supposed to be soooo impressive. The best fighters over here would never waste their early 20s in the amateurs. It’s completely irrelevant to his pro career.
Well, the guys he beat for his gold medals are a start lol. Ironically enough, they were also grown men. LOL he has nearly 400 amateur bouts, he's faced plenty of men. You're such a hater :rofl:
Then when it comes to his pro career, you want to give him props for being privileged. What fighter gets a championship shot in his first few fights? Coming off of a loss at that? That was a privilege and y’all brag on it. Hilarious.
Whether or not I feel he deserved the shot is irrelevant. He beat Gary Russell Jr with 2 fights.
More excuses lol. Your spin on what happened in the fight is irrelevant. The point is that based of how good loma has been hyped up to be, he was a heavy favorite going in. We all knew about Lopez’s size and power before the fight yet loma was still a huge favorite because people thought that he had the answers to whatever Teo brought to the table. He supposedly had the skills to overcome the size/power advantages that Lopez had like the atgs he’s been compared favorably to.....ala floyd-canelo. What we found out is that he doesn’t have those skills.
Excuses? Teo had a near flawless game plan and the skill and discipline to carry it out. It was a job well done. I was just running through what gave Loma so much trouble, which anybody with working eyes saw during the fight.
For all the people that say Loma could beat Floyd or Pac, there are people who say he's a bum for losing to Salido. I don't believe either to be true, but it's like you only focus on one side.
You're deliberately being obtuse and disingenuous. Loma being a hype job isn’t based on his stans on the internet, it’s due to his stans in mainstream media. This guy has been hyped up by the media as being the best fighter in the world who’s already an atg and we’ve been calling this out the entire time. So don’t act like we’re just focusing on his stan-trolls and ignore that there’s been a whole media campaign behind him. It was false advertising and more people should be calling out the agenda behind it.
We didn't overrate Loma, we just knew a hell of a lot more about him than we did Teo. Again, Teo's best win was Commey, and Commey is not as good as Loma.This is BS too. The truth is, we still don’t know just how good Teo is. Loma didn’t even engage for the first 7 rounds. We don’t know exactly what would’ve happened had loma engaged for the entire fight. When loma did engage he landed 44% of his shots on Teo. Lopez still clearly has flaws himself. Does he beat tank, haney, etc? Is he successful moving up? Who knows?
You overrated Loma and you continue to overrate him and make excuses. He’s not as good as been advertised. It’s that simple. He’s not an atg, not the most skilled fighter we’ve seen in years. None of that. He’s just a good fighter. Had he been treated like just a good fighter who may have potential to reach greatness, there wouldn’t be a celebration over the hype being exposed.
Overrated? Overhyped? He turned pro with 2 Olympic gold medals and nearly 400 wins, and became a 5x, 3-weight world champion in 15 fights with good names. He did things most fighters can't, but he's an overrated hypejob because he fell just short of undisputed in his 3rd weight division? Please, watch a different sport. Boxing's not for you.This is that sassy feminine stuff that turns people off. You read off his resume including his amateur career as if people are too stupid to understand context. Maybe you’re too dumb to understand context but I’m not. Nothing you said justifies the “best fighter in the world, already an atg, most skillled fighter in generations blah blah” BS that has been pushed in the media to promote him.
Who did he beat in amateurs that’s supposed to impressive? He was a grown man fighting teenagers and y’all act like that’s supposed to be soooo impressive. The best fighters over here would never waste their early 20s in the amateurs. It’s completely irrelevant to his pro career.
Then when it comes to his pro career, you want to give him props for being privileged. What fighter gets a championship shot in his first few fights? Coming off of a loss at that? That was a privilege and y’all brag on it. Hilarious.
Loma wasn't just dancing around for no reason. Whenever he was in front of Teo, he had to worry about size & one-punch KO power; whenever he tried to use his fancy footwork, Teo turned with him and pushed him off. There wasn't much Loma could do without risking getting knocked out, and he almost did when he opened up in the final round. Great fighters don't always win or look stellar. It happens.More excuses lol. Your spin on what happened in the fight is irrelevant. The point is that based of how good loma has been hyped up to be, he was a heavy favorite going in. We all knew about Lopez’s size and power before the fight yet loma was still a huge favorite because people thought that he had the answers to whatever Teo brought to the table. He supposedly had the skills to overcome the size/power advantages that Lopez had like the atgs he’s been compared favorably to.....ala floyd-canelo. What we found out is that he doesn’t have those skills.
You’ve just got to accept it. Lying to yourself isn’t going to change the reality.
I think it’s more of an excuse to hate him. I’ve seen posters that hate him to the extreme. Yes, there was overhyping done but there was also envy and insecurity surrounding this guy. Calling him ‘bum’ when he’s obviously not, shows that there is extreme hate. Sometimes, I’d hate to say this, but it’s hard to believe that there is no racial motive regarding the hate in him. To hate him because he’s being ‘overrated’ is one thing but to say he’s ‘bum’? Meh...
Some guys are trying to take away all the credit no matter what. That’s pure hate not just directed the the ‘fans’
Facts...... Alot of guys just hate him.. especially the ones still bringing up Salido. Clearly the guy is extremely talented. I mean in this fight it was a lose lose situation cuz if he won they was ready to call Lopez green now that he lost, he lost to a green boxer.
Lopez not seasoned but he is not green! Ask Commey if he green
Huh they aren't above criticism.... When was that ever said?
My only point is fans were spiteful cuz he had done nothing to be compared to them yet.
People were actually thinking he could beat Manny when clearly he too small and has ceiling.
But guys were calling him an ATG as a pro... The hype was too much...
I'ma big fan of Loma and defend him all the time... But I can't defend the extreme hype he was getting.
But I will say the guys spiteful cuz of it seem to let it diminish how good of a fighter he is.
I think it’s more of an excuse to hate him. I’ve seen posters that hate him to the extreme. Yes, there was overhyping done but there was also envy and insecurity surrounding this guy. Calling him ‘bum’ when he’s obviously not, shows that there is extreme hate. Sometimes, I’d hate to say this, but it’s hard to believe that there is no racial motive regarding the hate in him. To hate him because he’s being ‘overrated’ is one thing but to say he’s ‘bum’? Meh...
Some guys are trying to take away all the credit no matter what. That’s pure hate not just directed the the ‘fans’
Overrated? Overhyped? He turned pro with 2 Olympic gold medals and nearly 400 wins, and became a 5x, 3-weight world champion in 15 fights with good names. He did things most fighters can't, but he's an overrated hypejob because he fell just short of undisputed in his 3rd weight division? Please, watch a different sport. Boxing's not for you.
Loma wasn't just dancing around for no reason. Whenever he was in front of Teo, he had to worry about size & one-punch KO power; whenever he tried to use his fancy footwork, Teo turned with him and pushed him off. There wasn't much Loma could do without risking getting knocked out, and he almost did when he opened up in the final round. Great fighters don't always win or look stellar. It happens.
This...well said
You can only speak for yourself. I wasn’t surprised at Lopez’s performance because I’m not one of the loma dckriders who overrate him.
For all the people that say Loma could beat Floyd or Pac, there are people who say he's a bum for losing to Salido. I don't believe either to be true, but it's like you only focus on one side.
Y’all overrated loma’s skill level and y’all continue to overrate him even after he’s been exposed. Y’all just don’t learn.
We didn't overrate Loma, we just knew a hell of a lot more about him than we did Teo. Again, Teo's best win was Commey, and Commey is not as good as Loma.
Loma is a hype job because he’s nowhere as good as the hype. That’s the definition of a “hype job”.
Overrated? Overhyped? He turned pro with 2 Olympic gold medals and nearly 400 wins, and became a 5x, 3-weight world champion in 15 fights with good names. He did things most fighters can't, but he's an overrated hypejob because he fell just short of undisputed in his 3rd weight division? Please, watch a different sport. Boxing's not for you.
The fight wasn’t even all that good due to the fact that loma basically ran the first 7 rounds.
Loma wasn't just dancing around for no reason. Whenever he was in front of Teo, he had to worry about size & one-punch KO power; whenever he tried to use his fancy footwork, Teo turned with him and pushed him off. There wasn't much Loma could do without risking getting knocked out, and he almost did when he opened up in the final round. Great fighters don't always win or look stellar. It happens.
I just want fighters to move up and fight at their natural weight. I'm not saying that dehydrating 15-20 pounds for a weigh-in isn't a talent, I'm sure it isn't easy but it should not be part of a competitive sport.
I don't have a huge issue with that part of it. I don't really understand how some of these guys do it, but it is what it is. I really wonder what someone like Hurd for example walks around at. I feel like some of those guys are similar in stature to me and I weight 220. Could never imagine cutting all that weight or anywhere close to it.
Exactly.
I understand rooting for your countryman or nationality, but hating another guy just because of where he comes from to me just means you're not a real boxing fan.
Right...I just really don't get the cards from those fans in some of these fights too. Like if your guy loses it will be OK. Sometimes your guy wins, sometimes he loses, it happens. Some people will skew the results every time almost to suit what they want it to be.
For the life of me I couldn't slide round after round, or any round, to 'my guy' if he wasn't winning them in my eyes. It's not that serious and I don't need to lie to myself.
Sorry but I don’t go with the TR/ESPN talking points.
135 is where Tank is. He is the draw. Ryan Garcia, huge following is there as well. Haney, DAZN house LW is there. It was financial, just like every other pro boxer.
Why would someone that has campaigned at 135 get a CW against another LW? Loma wasn’t coming up from 130 and he isn’t ODH so he doesn’t have the power to do that.
Actions speak louder than words. He dropped the belt after claiming he wanted all 4 belts. That should all but tell you money was a factor. This is pro boxing so we all get that it is.
Well I don't know where you get your talking points, but you need to get them from other sources. So many off the wall things there I don't even care to respond
Thanks man, good post as well. Sadly as you said, the 'nationalists' are large in number, for every group in boxing. I hoped it was the case that they are just the loudest. But it seems like at least half of the fans of any group are going to back their guy/hate on the other guy, no matter what lol.
You see it really with every fight that happens, when the results come in etc. It's just crazy to see it so much on a real boxing forum like this.
Exactly.
I understand rooting for your countryman or nationality, but hating another guy just because of where he comes from to me just means you're not a real boxing fan.
I just want fighters to move up and fight at their natural weight. I'm not saying that dehydrating 15-20 pounds for a weigh-in isn't a talent, I'm sure it isn't easy but it should not be part of a competitive sport.
I think he pretty clearly went to 135 to chase greatness. Hard to see how he went to 135 to chase paydays, especially vs Teo, who in your words would have filled the arena, considering they just fought without a crowd. Idk about the Haney fight; my guess is Loma would fight whoever the fans want, he is trying to be great and fight the best guys.
Arum probably was maneuvering behind the scenes to get Loma-Lopez since they are both his guys. I think he could have easily talked about a CW for that fight. Saying that he hasn't settled at 135, and is moving down to 130 (whether true or not is not relevant, could have been negotiation etc), and that if Teo wanted the fight he needed to meet him in the middle.
You usually are pretty fair on things, but for the comment you just made, I would say that last line you made applies to you. Not sure how the general mantra for Loma right now isn't 'he's been great, but 135 seemed to be a bit much for him; was close to losing a couple times and finally couldn't quite get it done against a tough young explosive fighter.'
Anyone spinning it much beyond that, I mean I don't think they are credible.
Sorry but I don’t go with the TR/ESPN talking points.
135 is where Tank is. He is the draw. Ryan Garcia, huge following is there as well. Haney, DAZN house LW is there. It was financial, just like every other pro boxer.
Why would someone that has campaigned at 135 get a CW against another LW? Loma wasn’t coming up from 130 and he isn’t ODH so he doesn’t have the power to do that.
Actions speak louder than words. He dropped the belt after claiming he wanted all 4 belts. That should all but tell you money was a factor. This is pro boxing so we all get that it is.
He stayed at 135 for the big paydays. 130 there was only Berchelt who was high risk, low reward.
Loma isn’t a big enough draw to demand a CW title defense. Remember this fight was supposed to be in MSG where Brooklyn born Teo would’ve filled the arena.
He didn’t fight Haney because he was high risk, low reward. He sat out 14 months and gave his belt away rather than fight Haney.
Let’s be honest and not make it out to be something it wasn’t.
I think he pretty clearly went to 135 to chase greatness. Hard to see how he went to 135 to chase paydays, especially vs Teo, who in your words would have filled the arena, considering they just fought without a crowd. Idk about the Haney fight; my guess is Loma would fight whoever the fans want, he is trying to be great and fight the best guys.
Arum probably was maneuvering behind the scenes to get Loma-Lopez since they are both his guys. I think he could have easily talked about a CW for that fight. Saying that he hasn't settled at 135, and is moving down to 130 (whether true or not is not relevant, could have been negotiation etc), and that if Teo wanted the fight he needed to meet him in the middle.
You usually are pretty fair on things, but for the comment you just made, I would say that last line you made applies to you. Not sure how the general mantra for Loma right now isn't 'he's been great, but 135 seemed to be a bit much for him; was close to losing a couple times and finally couldn't quite get it done against a tough young explosive fighter.'
Anyone spinning it much beyond that, I mean I don't think they are credible.
He stayed at 135 for the big paydays. 130 there was only Berchelt who was high risk, low reward.
Loma isn’t a big enough draw to demand a CW title defense. Remember this fight was supposed to be in MSG where Brooklyn born Teo would’ve filled the arena.
He didn’t fight Haney because he was high risk, low reward. He sat out 14 months and gave his belt away rather than fight Haney.
Let’s be honest and not make it out to be something it wasn’t.
you're an idiot. ''comfortably.'' ffs. you guys don't know boxing. it's as simple as seeing guys on the scale drained and looking way bigger on fight night. Just like GGG doing 13lbs blow up for Rubio back in the day suggests, since he looks bigger in his last 6 fights, means he is draining like crazy as does Brook 15lbs. That's not comfortable. ''comfort'' is a guy filled on the scale like Canelo at 168-175. No water draining and looking superb in the ring.
Like I said, you guys don't know boxing. And if GGG were at 168 he'd perform better. He and his mgmt just bank on fighting guys at 160 because they're not as big
Idk man, if he wasn't so comfortable at 160, why would he stay there his whole career? Losing at 168 or 175 is a safer loss than taking one at 160, especially now. Canelo 3 would be at 168 probably too. So you would think he would campaign there for that reason too, if weight at all was an issue.
Ok here's my observation just as a nobody, on the dynamics that happen on NSB, especially after a big fight....
Ok before the fight there was a bunch of content about Loma being small for 135, but they weren't the same people who were predicting a Loma defeat.
Those that disrespected Loma before, are now being much "louder" than those who favored him. Why is that ?
Real Kong is pretty much spot on. The majority (over 50%) who post most often, come across as miserable pricks who cannot share an opinion without insulting anyone with a different opinion. It's unreal and must be the anonymity of social media that breeds this kind of behavior. I can't imagine most of these conversations happening IRL. At least I personally rarely associate with humans that insult me every time I disagree.
"Oh but these Loma fans just make me sick, blah blah blah" - So frickin what ? Let people be fans. It's ridiculous. Could you imagine if EVERY SINGLE PERSON supported the same fighter ? No, the nature of boxing is that one wins and one loses. So whoever bet on the Loser is an Idiot, DKSAB, is despicable, a casual (and another host of names I don't recall)???
THAT'S what makes it so hard for dudes who picked the wrong guy to come on and say, "I was wrong". You sit there and condemn somebody to hell and expect them to just say, "Hey here I am, go ahead and be an prick-azz" ?
These are the guys who swear they love boxing. That's what blows my mind. How can you love boxing and 99% of everything you post is negative, derogatory, and shameless ? - Try one day to say only positive things about the boxers you follow and the fans who follow. Try it. For one whole day just try it.
I think for now on, that will be my response... "So you must really be a big boxing fan, huh? Have anything nice to say, your majesty ?" :hail::hail::hail:
Great post my friend!!!!!
oh the hypocrisy is real. Loma did everything they wanted fast tracked and they still hate. Every other boxer is in turtle progression comparatively.
Loma is great. His accomplishments can't be denied. Anybody unable to admit it shouldn't be bothered with.
Very true.
beautifully stated my dude. I'm Loma fan and I love the way he fights, he lost fair and square but it wasn't a beat down like many posters make it out to be or an ass whooping like they think... Teo is the real deal, now we know that. Loma thinks too much of himself and he should, 400+ amateur fights, two time Olympic gold medalist and a superb conditioning. imho he underestimated Teo's quickness, strength, ring IQ and the ability to adapt.
Thank you. I think Loma was expecting it to be a chess match early, but he was probably dismayed when through the first round(s), he couldn't find much of anything to take advantage of. He probably expected that possibility I think, but yes he was probably a bit dismayed at how good Teo was in those areas you mentioned.
You can only speak for yourself. I wasn’t surprised at Lopez’s performance because I’m not one of the loma dckriders who overrate him. Y’all overrated loma’s skill level and y’all continue to overrate him even after he’s been exposed. Y’all just don’t learn.
Loma is a hype job because he’s nowhere as good as the hype. That’s the definition of a “hype job”. The fight wasn’t even all that good due to the fact that loma basically ran the first 7 rounds. We still don’t know just how good lopez is. Pointing out that loma is overrated and overhyped doesn’t take away anything from lopez. The people taking away from lopez are the loma riders making excuses, coming up with conspiracies and all that.
By that logic, anyone can be a hype job to anyone else. Floyd would be a hype job to anyone who calls him TBE, for example.
As I and others have said, if you are really going that overboard trying to hate on Loma after this fight, it says way more about you than him. The dude has had a great career overall in boxing, to hate on what he has done, I mean you look like a racist, or an idiot.
Lopez will get all my admiration when he's up 2 classes and still winning big... Until then he'll have to accept being in Loma's and all the other GOAT's shadow... It might come, it might not... Who knows...
Dudes were saying crazy shyt.... Giving him extreme hype like he was already ATG status..... He only ATG as an amateur.
And yes people were even thinking he had a chance at beating Manny at 140 🤦
What does it mean to be an ATG great though? It really just means that you can't get too far into discussing boxing and boxers, without bringing that guy's name up.
How far do you get at HW before you mention Teofilo Stevenson, and what he was/could have been? It's similar for Loma, except he has had great success as a pro, and then a couple blemishes so far as well.
What Loma did at 130 and below, and in the ams, was special. At 135, he is about as good as Teo, Linares, and Campbell, so far. Good but not exceptional. We knew what his level was before Saturday night, this shouldn't really be changing anyone's opinion too much, whatever it was before it should be just about that.
People thought a fight with Manny was realistic.... Loma doesn't have the size or punching power to survive the higher weights.... Hell he already was looking vulnerable his last 2 fights...The writing was on the wall... Yet fanboys were giving him ATG status....
Me being a Loma fan.... I had to step to the side and accept the backlash his fanboys and the media caused
which guys were comparing him to Manny and Floyd and if they were isnt that what people do?
People compare great fighters to other great fighters.
I would love to see who said Loma was better than Manny and Floyd cause i dont think their would be many.
Some of his fans are definitely having trouble accepting the loss. I suspect they are some of the same ones who were adamant that he dominated Linares and Campbell, even though that wasn't the case.
At 130, it was fair to compare him to Manny and Floyd. Still is. But it is clear too he isn't quite traversing the weights as well as those guys did, for whatever reasons.
I really didn't want to go there but this thread kinda warrants it.
Lomachenko wasn't "exposed" Saturday night. He's a phenomenal fighter and Saturday didn't change that.
But, some of the hype took a huge hit that night. All the talk of "once in a generation" or "best in boxing history p4p" or "greatest technical fighter" or whatever other exaggerated nonsense died a nice quiet death Saturday night.
So, while the myths are fading with the light of day, let dispense with one more...namely the idea that Lomachenko is fighting at a higher weight than natural.
That's not necessarily true.
He's fought in weightclasses over 130 both as an Olympic gold medalist and as a pro in the WSB for 6 fights (which strangely are not counted as pro fights).
So, even though he says he can weigh in under 130 and may in fact be moving back down to super featherweight, let's not act like fighting at 135 is some huge stretch for Lomachenko. He's extremely comfortable at 135 as well.
But after his fights with Linares and Campbell, who is really shocked that Teo did those guys one better and got over the finish line, somewhat by the skin of his teeth? Linares and Campbell had Loma in similar trouble at 135.
Loma was special at 130. At 135 he just is one of the guys. Kind of weird considering it is only 5 pounds, but it is what it is. Credit to him for challenging himself though.