I believe that these two are the most athletically gifted fighters in the world. Besides the skill level, these two fighters’ athletic abilities are fascinating. This fight has explosiveness written all over it. They have attributes that other fighters can’t train for, they have to be born with this type of athleticism.
They both have speed and power, but each different to their advantages.
Loma has the footwork and foot speed to his advantage, and this is the most important quality that a fighter can have. Lopez on the other hand, has explosive power. His power can possibly carry him to 154 pounds.
If Loma gets thru this fight, Lopez’ power can be a benchmark to help him decide if he can move up another weight class. What Lopez lacks in the skills department compared to Loma, he makes up the gap with his explosiveness.
Based on resume, Loma is the more secure choice, but I’m strongly sold on Teo’s power. I think that the biggest question is, how will Loma react when he gets caught with a shot from Lopez because Loma will get touched. If Loma takes it well, he could walk out with a decision.
I think this fight will be fight of the decade. These two are evenly matched. I don’t think Loma has God-like skills. He was a grown man in the olympics, but the 2 Gold Medals are still a decent accomplishment. At Teo’s age, Loma was still an amateur. For Teo’s age, his resume is really impressive, even without the Commey win. Teo’s resume is better than the rest of the young talent. His resume is better than Ryan Garcia’s, Devin Haney’s, and Shakur Stevenson. I think Loma and Teo are evenly matched when dissecting their qualities, but if you base it on experience, Loma has the edge.
Lopez separated himself from the rest at 135 with his KO win over Commey, a good but not great win. But more impressive given his experience level. Tank is still unproven and unwilling to enter the ring against Loma. Still insists he is too young. Haney is not to be taken seriously until he defeats a top tier opponent and makes a name for himself without using Loma's name or hitching his wagon to Floyd's star.
For all of the Loma haters predicting he will be KO'd, it makes the fight that much more intriguing. Lopez' confidence/arrogance, and his daddy's trash talking, along with his athleticism and power make this a must watch fight. It's still a dangerous fight for Loma, Lopez has the size, power and youth advantage. He was a seasoned amateur himself with nearly 200 fights, so don't let his resume fool you. There should be no excuses after this fight, win, lose or draw. Whoever wins deserves full credit and the right to be crowned undisputed champion at 135.
Fight like these is about the momentum of both fighters and they at their weight class.
They are coming in with so much upside that it makes it an intriguing fight.
This fight will be a dog walk cause teo isn’t on a world level yet, I don’t see him quitting or anything but i don’t see him winning more than a couple rounds that loma takes off.
there are different types of personalities....the world would be boring if everyone were the same and there was no one to question or challenge us.....i appreciate both of the personalities in this fight....but they are definitley contrasting...what i do believe is that no matter what is said both men respect the others ability
i believe lopez truly respects loma...its that lopez wants to take his career to the next level and knows if he can drum up interest and win this fight hes on the right track....i believe thats why hes taking it in the first place when most probably wouldnt.....he knows any other route is slower...beating loma is his ticket to becoming a ppv fighter in the future....trash talking/being the villian helps sell in this sport...i dont think teo is half as bad as he comes across to some
Lopez despises Loma. That's not for hype either.
And besides all that which I didn't read since you clearly don't respect Wilder, but he reached an olympic podium with little experience and won a championship belt that he successfully defended 10 times. This OJECTIVELY makes him an elite fighter. All from athleticism.
Sorry for this late response I have not been online in awhile. What makes you think I don’t respect Wilder? And why would you reply to me and not even read my post? That just shows me you don’t respect my opinion or you aren’t open minded to opposing viewpoints or aren’t open to a discussion.
I respect Wilder for what he is. I’m just realistic and see him for what he is. He’s a good, althletic puncher. In fact, he’s a great puncher. But I wouldn’t say that makes him elite. I give him massive props for doing what he has done, but I’m objective and unbiased. I realize that he has flaws that could prevent him from competing against top boxers. Like Fury. In fact, outside of Fury, who else has he fought? Who did he fight during his championship run? I’ll give him props for what he did agains Ortiz who is a solid boxer himself. So in his entire career, the only real solid competition he has faced, was Ortiz and Fury.
That’s the most I can say about it.
I didn't make the odds and maybe they should be closer. Lopez looked scary good in his last fight. I am a Loma fan and don't like Lopez because of his arrogance and the disrespect he shows others. i hope he loses but I will be worried that he wins until the fight is over. If he KOs Loma the father and son bragging will go through the roof.bragging is not against the law and lots of fighters brag to excess. Nothing I can do about it but I prefer the boxers who do their fighting in the ring and not outside the ring with their mouth.
there are different types of personalities....the world would be boring if everyone were the same and there was no one to question or challenge us.....i appreciate both of the personalities in this fight....but they are definitley contrasting...what i do believe is that no matter what is said both men respect the others ability
i believe lopez truly respects loma...its that lopez wants to take his career to the next level and knows if he can drum up interest and win this fight hes on the right track....i believe thats why hes taking it in the first place when most probably wouldnt.....he knows any other route is slower...beating loma is his ticket to becoming a ppv fighter in the future....trash talking/being the villian helps sell in this sport...i dont think teo is half as bad as he comes across to some
No I said all of that to defend my original statement.
Wilder is a 1 trick pony. He knows it and I know it and you know it. He lives and dies by his explosive power. It’s the only card he really has. Yes, he has been success with it in the amateurs and in the professional ranks fighting mostly subpar opponents, which is still impressive for a guy with limited experience and skill.
All of that said however, he couldn’t beat Fury. Most people, myself included, felt that Wilder got a gift decision with the draw in the first fight. Fury is really the only good professional that Wilder has fought. That’s why I stated, it has been shown that it only helps him box to a certain level. I still stand by that statement.
And besides all that which I didn't read since you clearly don't respect Wilder, but he reached an olympic podium with little experience and won a championship belt that he successfully defended 10 times. This OJECTIVELY makes him an elite fighter. All from athleticism.
I was watching this ESPN special on the fight, and I think I know what Teo’s primary game plan is for this fight. Lopez Sr. pointed out the fact that Loma has a busy jab, but it’s a light jab. I also saw Lopez working hard on that right hand. I think they want to pull-counter Loma. They will move to the opposite side of the shoulder and counter Loma’s jab with a right hand.
So you said all this just to agree with my original statement?
No I said all of that to defend my original statement.
Wilder is a 1 trick pony. He knows it and I know it and you know it. He lives and dies by his explosive power. It’s the only card he really has. Yes, he has been success with it in the amateurs and in the professional ranks fighting mostly subpar opponents, which is still impressive for a guy with limited experience and skill.
All of that said however, he couldn’t beat Fury. Most people, myself included, felt that Wilder got a gift decision with the draw in the first fight. Fury is really the only good professional that Wilder has fought. That’s why I stated, it has been shown that it only helps him box to a certain level. I still stand by that statement.
It’s actually remarkable that Wilder has made it this far and it is a true testament to his explosive athleticism.
So you said all this just to agree with my original statement?
naz could barely do a front flip holding on to the ropes
What about this song.... Naseem was barely flyweight size and the ropes were nearly as high as he was tall. He, or anyone, not a trained circus acrobat, needed to grasp the top ropes to pivot himself over
A mark of his real athleticism was the fact that, although he made a complete extension of his body, he still landed on his feet, plumb, without a stagger or extra step for balance........ The way a gymnast does.
Wilder managed to medal with premature experience and went 41 fights undefeated before losing to possibly the best heavy weight of this era. He's actually proving your point wrong.
No. I said to a certain level. Fury is elite level. Wilder has never faced someone of that caliber at the professional level before and he couldn’t beat him because his athletic ability can only do so much for him.
His best attribute is his explosive power, but a well trained boxer can negate that. At the elite professional level, Wilder will almost always box down on the scorecards and need a KO to win, or numerous KD’s to eek out a decision. He could still get it because he will always be dangerous, much like we saw in the first bout with Fury, but like I said, the power can only do so much for him.
It’s actually remarkable that Wilder has made it this far and it is a true testament to his explosive athleticism.
Case in point, I see Wilder as being pretty athletic. It carried him in the sport to a certain extent, but it has been shown that it only helps him box to a certain level. Athleticism doesn’t equate to being a great boxer.
Wilder managed to medal with premature experience and went 41 fights undefeated before losing to possibly the best heavy weight of this era. He's actually proving your point wrong.
Everybody has some type of athleticism 'That does not mean that have great athleticism' But of course Deontay Wilder is a good athlete.
Deontay Wilder inside of a boxing ring, for me does not display great athleticism. Is Deontay Wilder's movement great? No. Is his processing speed and reaction times great? No. Wilder is constantly falling over and stumbling about, even when nobody is punching him 'His spatial awareness seems quite low' but I do believe his stumbling about is more down to weak core muscles and posterior chain.
Of course Wilder has some athletic ability, and you are correct? This has most likely helped him achieve what he has achieved in the sport 'Which validates my point also, that Athleticism can make you a better fighter'.
Decent reply anyway, at-least you explained your point.
Note: I think people have a close perception of what athleticism is, it covers a varied amount of activities. Wilder is explosive and clearly generates a lot of elastic energy.
I.E muscles generate force, tendons can actually store and release energy like springs 'The man is a game fighter also, I will never question Wilder courage and willingness to fight'.
I would say his explosiveness is his greatest gift and attribute. His balance is probably his poorest, but it goes hand in hand with his explosiveness.
He puts 100% into a lot of his punches, which allows him to be explosive, which in turn, throws him off balance. And we know that’s not how boxing is taught. It’s actually ironic because if he threw proper punches with proper technique, he would actually lose a lot of his explosiveness.
But I think it’s too late for him to change anything drastic. He is what he is at this point. He could’ve learned or changed something earlier in his career, but I think it’s too late for him at this point.
Okay I’ll explain. Wilder got started in boxing super late at 20 yrs of age. His amateur career was extremely limited, having a reported record of about 30 - 5. In spite of starting in a sport as late as he did and with as little experience as he had, he ended up winning an Olympic medal.
I don’t believe that you can get to that point with such limited experience, without some type of athleticism. There are thousands amateurs who have trained most of their lives, have had hundreds of fights, tons of experience, and fail to make an Olympic team.
He was learning on the job, only had 3 years of boxing experience, and somehow wins a medal. To me, that shows athleticism. In a sport where most people start in their teens or younger, he starts as a grown man and accomplished what many couldn’t. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of boxers who are better boxers than Wilder, who have accomplished less. Ask yourself why that is.
Now, back to my original point, his athleticism does not equal being a great boxer. His background shows that and the eye test shows that. He is the perfect example of a boxer with limited skills, who’s athleticism brought him some success.
Everybody has some type of athleticism 'That does not mean that have great athleticism' But of course Deontay Wilder is a good athlete.
Deontay Wilder inside of a boxing ring, for me does not display great athleticism. Is Deontay Wilder's movement great? No. Is his processing speed and reaction times great? No. Wilder is constantly falling over and stumbling about, even when nobody is punching him 'His spatial awareness seems quite low' but I do believe his stumbling about is more down to weak core muscles and posterior chain.
Of course Wilder has some athletic ability, and you are correct? This has most likely helped him achieve what he has achieved in the sport 'Which validates my point also, that Athleticism can make you a better fighter'.
Decent reply anyway, at-least you explained your point.
Note: I think people have a closed perception of what athleticism is, it covers a varied amount of activities. Wilder is explosive and clearly generates a lot of elastic energy.
I.E muscles generate force, tendons can actually store and release energy like springs 'The man is a game fighter also, I will never question Wilder's courage and willingness to fight'.
freshly minted 23 year olds with 15-16 fights are rarely in a fight with a 32 year old top 3 p4p fighters(who have been on that perch for years now)....thats why you see the gap in odds...
what do you think odds would look like if you put canelo in with munguia...or crawford in with ennis or ortiz jr?
its a much closer matchup when truly looking at it....oddsmakers are wrong every day...alot...not saying loma might not whitewash lopez...certainly a very possible outcome
lopez is def too small for 154...as loma will never fight a top guy north of 135 either....despite the talk i think both guys know what theyre getting into and have a ton of respect for each others abilities hereI didn't make the odds and maybe they should be closer. Lopez looked scary good in his last fight. I am a Loma fan and don't like Lopez because of his arrogance and the disrespect he shows others. i hope he loses but I will be worried that he wins until the fight is over. If he KOs Loma the father and son bragging will go through the roof.bragging is not against the law and lots of fighters brag to excess. Nothing I can do about it but I prefer the boxers who do their fighting in the ring and not outside the ring with their mouth.
Explain to me how Wilder is athletic? What are you talking about?
Do you think Wilder has great movement? Does he strike you as having great processing speed and reaction time?
b morph you have stereotypical, describe Wilder as being athletic 'Because of his basketball background' You have not really thought what you was about to say.
What is the big deal about a 6"7 man dunking a basketball? There is no big deal, I don't think it is a great athletic achievement 'Basketball players are overrated as athletes'.
Okay I’ll explain. Wilder got started in boxing super late at 20 yrs of age. His amateur career was extremely limited, having a reported record of about 30 - 5. In spite of starting in a sport as late as he did and with as little experience as he had, he ended up winning an Olympic medal.
I don’t believe that you can get to that point with such limited experience, without some type of athleticism. There are thousands amateurs who have trained most of their lives, have had hundreds of fights, tons of experience, and fail to make an Olympic team.
He was learning on the job, only had 3 years of boxing experience, and somehow wins a medal. To me, that shows athleticism. In a sport where most people start in their teens or younger, he starts as a grown man and accomplished what many couldn’t. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands of boxers who are better boxers than Wilder, who have accomplished less. Ask yourself why that is.
Now, back to my original point, his athleticism does not equal being a great boxer. His background shows that and the eye test shows that. He is the perfect example of a boxer with limited skills, who’s athleticism brought him some success.
Athleticism can help a boxer become a better fighter. Athleticism is many things 'I would imagine? That you are coming at this subject with, a close perception of what athleticism is etc.
Co-ordination, spatial awareness, reaction time are all forms of athleticism 'Then you have speed, and overall strength'.
Floyd Mayweather was clearly a better athlete than Lomachanko 'Faster one punch speed, and even his spatial awareness was much greater'.
Lomachanko gives the illusion of being this supreme athlete 'The elegance in the way he moves his body, amplifies this illusion' He is a classically trained dancer so, this helps him project a certain image.
Lomachaneko is a good athlete, but I would not put him within the same realm as all the fighters I have just mentioned.
Note: Mayweather was greater athlete, and also had better technical skills than Lomachenko 'But Lomachenko is really impressive, make no doubt about that'.
- -Non athletes should be banned talking about athleticism in boxing.
Non athletic Joe Frazier BTFO Ali in the fight of the century.
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This is so true. I think we get too caught up in how “athletic” a boxer is.
It’s about transferring that athleticism in the ring and making it work for you to get a win.
Case in point, I see Wilder as being pretty athletic. It carried him in the sport to a certain extent, but it has been shown that it only helps him box to a certain level. Athleticism doesn’t equate to being a great boxer.
A little off topic, but the way I see it, the true mark of an athletic guy, is being a multi sport athlete at a high level. Bo Jackson comes to mind.
Explain to me how Wilder is athletic? What are you talking about?
Do you think Wilder has great movement? Does he strike you as having great processing speed and reaction time?
b morph you have stereotypical, describe Wilder as being athletic 'Because of his basketball background' You have not really thought what you was about to say.
What is the big deal about a 6"7 man dunking a basketball? There is no big deal, I don't think it is a great athletic achievement 'Basketball players are overrated as athletes'.
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