Dontae explains why Fury leading the "Travellers Lives Matter" rally is actually very racist to black people.
Also explains why you can't compare racism against gypsies to racism against blacks.
Irish Gypsy is considered a race or ethnicity?
I was confused, I thought it was a culture. Kinda like Amish here in America. I thought their ethnic identity was just Irish and their culture was Gypsy. Amish folk are germanic mostly but anyone can be an Amish potentially. I figured any ol' Irish fella could be a traveler, didn't realize there was any kind of 'race' to it.
Are they actually different from the other Irish outside of culture?
I just googled your question and am quoting the wiki response, have no idea if it is 100% accurate or not!
"Genetic analysis has shown Travellers to be of Irish extraction, and that they likely diverged from the settled Irish population in the 1600s, during the time of the Cromwellian invasion of Ireland. The centuries of separation has led to Travellers becoming genetically distinct from the settled Irish. Traveller rights groups long advocated for ethnic status from the Irish government, succeeding in 2017"
Tyson Fury's message fails because you can't tell someone's a traveler unless they self-identify as one.
Just by looking at Andy Lee, Tyson Fury or BJS you would say these are white brits. They have to tell you that they're travelers.
Other visible minority groups don't have that luxury.
Yeah this explains at the beginning moving on 'unlawful settlement'/'tresspassing'. This pretty much backs up what I said.
Also being refused planning permission is pretty regular occurance in the UK. No one can buy any land and expect planning permission (unless you're passing around a few brown paper bags).
it only takes a few seconds of googling to come up with reports and reports on how badly gypsies are discriminated against
"Irish Travellers were 22 times more likely to face discrimination when availing of private services, particularly in shops, pubs and restaurants"
https://www.thejournal.ie/discrimination-travellers-3687994-Nov2017/
https://www.taylorwessing.com/fr/insights-and-events/insights/2020/04/no-blanket-ban-on-travellers---permanent-injunction-refused
the councils say they are moving them on cos they are illegal and the gypsies say in some cases they have bought the land and are refused planning permission
Yeah this explains at the beginning moving on 'unlawful settlement'/'tresspassing'. This pretty much backs up what I said.
Also being refused planning permission is pretty regular occurance in the UK. No one can buy any land and expect planning permission (unless you're passing around a few brown paper bags).
Google what exactly?
No town has recently (if ever) completely banned them. At 'worst' they upheld the law and stopped them illegaly setting up camp but that's not the same thing at all. You can't even be mad at councils stopping this just last year they set up a camp in the village near me and left bags of rubbish, human waste and used nappys right next the kids Scouts centre.
https://www.taylorwessing.com/fr/insights-and-events/insights/2020/04/no-blanket-ban-on-travellers---permanent-injunction-refused
the councils say they are moving them on cos they are illegal and the gypsies say in some cases they have bought the land and are refused planning permission
Where is it legal in the western world to ban black people from any premises? Also, crime statistics by race, look it up. There's the truth and there's what the media reports on. Solly, not solly.
i've liked a few on dontae's vid's in the past where he explain's his point of view in a reasonable way but he's just shown himself to be extremely ignorant on this issue
in the UK and most countries cops don't go around shooting anyone, it rarely happens, it's not like the states so to say that gypsies are not getting shot is total BS
gypsies are getting harassed all the time, discriminated against (rightly and wrongly) and the life expectancy of an irish traveller is 62 yrs approx and the life expectancy of an african american is 75 years, they live tough lives compared to the general population, like it or not
it's not hard to find this info as well so no excuses for not knowing it and then posting vid's cos he don't like fury and he's upset about him somehow putting down the things he fighting for, in his mind anyway, maybe fury has supported black lives matter too
Your telling me Cineworld, Odeon, Sky etc are risking their image and lawsuits by not letting gypsys in and identifying them purely on their accent?
How long ago was this?
It's not happening today
You are being dumb and playing some non existent victim card.
Happened in Vue cinema... Lmao..... no seriously who knows
i read once an entire essex town once banned travellers entirely, i mean completely, google it if u like
they are always getting barred from venues, especially groups of them and they have taken out many lawsuits too
Google what exactly?
No town has recently (if ever) completely banned them. At 'worst' they upheld the law and stopped them illegaly setting up camp but that's not the same thing at all. You can't even be mad at councils stopping this just last year they set up a camp in the village near me and left bags of rubbish, human waste and used nappys right next the kids Scouts centre.
There’s clearly places “asking for trouble” when there is videos in posted of people being refused entry because they’re travellers.
So you can’t flat out deny these things, there’s evidence that proves it.
You said cinemas and then used that as a comparison for black people.
Show me a video of the cinemas.
No it doesn't, the cinema would be asking for trouble from the Gypsys alone, forget about the law.
Even the police are scared of gypsies they're definitely not victims.
i read once an entire essex town once banned travellers entirely, i mean completely, google it if u like
they are always getting barred from venues, especially groups of them and they have taken out many lawsuits too
No it doesn't, the cinema would be asking for trouble from the Gypsys alone, forget about the law.
Even the police are scared of gypsies they're definitely not victims.
There’s clearly places “asking for trouble” when there is videos in posted of people being refused entry because they’re travellers.
So you can’t flat out deny these things, there’s evidence that proves it.
It happens, you just don’t live in the real world
No it doesn't, the cinema would be asking for trouble from the Gypsys alone, forget about the law.
Even the police are scared of gypsies they're definitely not victims.
Your telling me Cineworld, Odeon, Sky etc are risking their image and lawsuits by not letting gypsys in and identifying them purely on their accent?
How long ago was this?
It's not happening today
You are being dumb and playing some non existent victim card.
It happens, you just don’t live in the real world
Happens all the time. Also most travellers have a very distinctive accent that Fury actually doesn’t have. You know who they are when you meet them.
Look all over the Internet for videos of travellers been refused entry to places. It’s not difficult to find.
I knew traveller kids not allowed in places as soon as their accent was heard. Even in Fury’s town where where he lives, they don’t allow the kids in the cinema there.
This whole topic was started over a video of a man and his old father-in-law being refused entry to a pub because they are travellers. Happens every day.
You are commenting on something you know nothing about.
Your telling me Cineworld, Odeon, Sky etc are risking their image and lawsuits by not letting gypsys in and identifying them purely on their accent?
How long ago was this?
It's not happening today
You are being dumb and playing some non existent victim card.
Shut the fuq up, so much nonesense.
When have gypsys not been allowed in a cinemas?
How would these establishments even recognise, definitely, someone is a gypsy?
Happens all the time. Also most travellers have a very distinctive accent that Fury actually doesn’t have. You know who they are when you meet them.
Look all over the Internet for videos of travellers been refused entry to places. It’s not difficult to find.
I knew traveller kids not allowed in places as soon as their accent was heard. Even in Fury’s town where where he lives, they don’t allow the kids in the cinema there.
This whole topic was started over a video of a man and his old father-in-law being refused entry to a pub because they are travellers. Happens every day.
You are commenting on something you know nothing about.
This isn’t about ranking different discrimination of what is worse than others. It’s simply about highlighting discrimination. But it seems only certain groups of people are allowed to speak out about their discrimination and others have to be quiet and accept it