Indirectly, Did Floyd ruin boxing because of the obsession with being undefeated

Really, so striving to be the best you can be ruined boxing??? 😑 yes, paying to be the best ruined boxing.

yeah he ruined the boxing world. he made it boring, he made it a cash cow while showing lame bouts, he built the idea of evading, cherry pickings and waiting for a declined opponents which is really bad in boxing. if you compared his era to the classic bouts it is far different. we saw hungry lions taking anyone just to prove their worthiness as a fighter/boxer. floyd is just taking the bouts for a higher price. sad face of boxing today.

- -But they did beat him. Maidana sent him squallin' fer his crackdaddy and Manny cracked him and sent him to prison. You hate Floyd so much that you have to invent your own reality. :lol1: Enjoy living in your own little fantasy world, grandpa.

Every fighter should have a obsession with being undefeated. 'Deep down every single fighter wants to be undefeated'. Floyd Mayweather was not the problem 'NOT his fault nobody could beat him'. - -But they did beat him. Maidana sent him squallin' fer his crackdaddy and Manny cracked him and sent him to prison.

So you agree that this was a problem before Floyd and excuse Arum (a major boxing power broker) for pushing the obsession with being undefeated. I rest my case. Floyd isn't responsible for this. Omg my head literally hurt with how pathetic and flawed your premise is. No wonder boxing is ****.

Every fighter should have a obsession with being undefeated. 'Deep down every single fighter wants to be undefeated'. Floyd Mayweather was not the problem 'NOT his fault nobody could beat him'.

Hyping a young undefeated fighter was always a thing... Arum was just playing the game... So you agree that this was a problem before Floyd and excuse Arum (a major boxing power broker) for pushing the obsession with being undefeated. I rest my case. Floyd isn't responsible for this.

Yes. Bob Arum. He promoted De La Hoya and Floyd and countless others with a focus on their undefeated record. Floyd is now retired and gone from the sport. But Arum is still going and doing the same thing with every new generation of fighters that he signs. What Floyd did was overkill. Hyping a young undefeated fighter was always a thing. It's like that in every sport. But does doing things like that devalue the sport like it does boxing? Hell no. Arum was just playing the game and Floyd broke it. In every other sport teams are essentially guaranteed losses but no one thinks as bad of that as it has now become in boxing. Now you got kids with big months who have accomplished nothing talking theyre the best without having proved anything. Everyone manages their career not to be the best but to make money. And look at boxing now. You think its even in a good place?

100000000000% Can you blame anyone who ruined the sport more than Floyd Mayweather Jr? Yes. Bob Arum. He promoted De La Hoya and Floyd and countless others with a focus on their undefeated record. Floyd is now retired and gone from the sport. But Arum is still going and doing the same thing with every new generation of fighters that he signs.

100000000000% Can you blame anyone who ruined the sport more than Floyd Mayweather Jr? Nope. Floyd has only ever cared for himself and look at him now. He's an old man still trying to day relevant by putting on circus shows and making this sport a joke. The bigger joke are his fans and people who continue to support him and the things he stood for.

now I don't mean to blame Floyd directly here, but is there an argument that Pre-Floyd, fighters were willing to take riskier fights because their wasn't this weird obsession with being undefeated. I think Floyd made that a selling point in his career, and it seems like alot of boxers today cherish the "O" and that hinders the big fights. Back in the 90s, you were expected to lose, fighters didn't give a ***** about being "undefeated", if anything it made you look more suspicious as you were probably taking easier fights. again, I'm not blaming Floyd directly, but more indirectly It's not that the 0 was not valued in the 90s, it's just that the competition was simply too high for anybody to stay undefeated for very long. Especially at the heavier weight classes.

Your opinion. I respect it but, as the ancient Sages said, "Respect, but Suspect". So I don't accept it. I see it differently. No matter. Bob Arum was Oscar's Brain Trust. Fact not opinion. Bob Arum is the biggest promotional name in boxing who pushed the "undefeated" model. Fact not opinion. Floyd Mayweather Jr holds the record for most wins by a retired world champion with no losses or draws. Fact not opinion.

You don't seem to understand, and seem to have a closed mind. The FACTS were, that the Commission and Courts of enquiry found him NOT AT FAULT...Look up the documents, which I took the time to read fully. He was only penalised because as the Commision Head said, apologetically (it sounded) "You are the captain of your ship and you should have known "...That is ALL. Then he went on to say that they were imposing the MINIMUM one year suspension, after which he could apply again. He could have fought in Mexico or other places but chose not to. He had a USED gauze knuckle pad, instead of a NEW one. THAT WAS ALLLL..!!The 2 sentences in bold are an obvious contradiction. Clearly the commission did determine that he was at fault. It’s pretty simple stuff.

Let's name names. Oscar's Brain Trust that carefully guided his early undefeated run was Top Rank. Headed by Bob Arum. Arum is the one most responsible for pushingthe model of promoting flashy unbeaten records over substance. Floyd just happened to be so damn good that no one could beat him. He was all substance. Your opinion. I respect it but, as the ancient Sages said, "Respect, but Suspect". So I don't accept it. I see it differently. No matter.

You open with a lot of talk surrounding this article. Tells me that you think I’m a youngster posing as some sort of boxing historian. Nah. Just older and more experienced than you, I reckon. Old enough to recognize a troll or spin doctor when I see one. But hey, like I said, good luck with all that. Didn’t expect you to try and debate me. I just wanted you to know that I know. You have indeed a chutzpah, a troll..You don't even thank me for showing that the Resto article was in fact on this site only 2-3 months ago. You call it "a lot of talk"...YOU brought up Resto, NOT I. You know, the Resto article which you say you did not see, you boxing expert and keen BoxingScene reader. :"Debate"... I wouldn't bother debating with you, you don't even know the rules of debate. Yes there are rules.. And as for your age, let us bet. I am much older-and obviously wiser and more meticulous and knowledgeable-than you. If you want to bet that you are, name your amount, we will deposit with Jake or Cliff, and they will give you the age answer. Make it a good solid sum to make it worth my while.. I have been a member of this site for 14 years, and am well known for my veracity. That means "TRUTH" so don't bother looking it up. It just bit you in "you-know-where"... . I have family credentials that go right back to Tommy Burns the Heavyweight Champion. In fact, I myself. when a mid-teen met, conversed with and invited down to our boxing club one of Burns' sparring partners, who at that time was a (to me) very old man whom I had seen for years walking in the street. Being out with my late uncle, we met this man, whom my uncle knew well. He came down to our club several times, He also presented us several old boxing items. I recall 2 sets of loosely horsehair packed 5 oz gloves, a leather head protector, like an old American football helmet, skipping ropes and a couple of old leather cup protectors. So go an play your silly games with someone else, whom you can impress with your ignorance....you silly kid. Regardless of how old you are, you talk and act like a goop-whatever that is, it sounds just right for you... I should not have bothered to respond, but politeness, and your glaring need for accurate boxing knowledge, compelled me to. But don't reply to this PLEASE..I will not reply, this pointless "discussion" is CLOSED.

Hard to blame Mayweather entirely when a lot of his "A Side" antics can be traced back to Ray Leonard and Mike Trainer. That said, I do think that many of today's fighters have Mayweather in mind when it comes to matchmaking etc.

So who influenced them with this kind of mentality? Remember, boxers look up to the past generation fighters they look up for. You’re missing the point. They have that mentality and attitude without putting the work in that Floyd did to get to that point. That’s not Floyd’s fault. He wasn’t looking for easy routes on his way up. His first title fight was against a very tough fighter when he had only been pro less than 2 years. He was always chasing big fights and moving up in weights to put himself on a bigger scale If today’s fighters look up to him and miss the point of why he got where he was, then that’s their fault, not his. Floyd didn’t just make big money because he had a 0. He did because he fought about two dozen world champions, chased big fights with big name fighters like De La Hoya, accepting the fact he was the B side and going up in weight, knowing a win takes him to another level. Fighters today should look up to Floyd, but for the right reasons.

Fighters have always cared about being undefeated, or not losing. Floyd Mayweather has retired now 'He has nothing to do with the game now'.

Vegas judges gave floyd so many gift wins to preserved the undefeated record. I would hate to be you, life must be a meaningless lie, and you know when you are lying. Just for you.

Wasn’t aware of said article. I knew that little factoid since before the internet was a common thing Have fun bending truths and telling lies regarding Margarito tho. We all party in our way, I suppose. I'm surprised that you didn't know about the article which I think was a headline on here a while ago. If it wasn't it was elsewhere on this page. I saw it and read it. Of course you may have known about it before, as most of us who really follow boxing, have known. And it's been mentioned from time to time. Just recently a poster remarked that it was strange that Panama Lewis was still in demand by some boxers. ***I just looked it up on the internet. It was on June 20th., the leading article by Tris Dixon entitled "Boxing Turns Another Blind Eye", and garnered 90 posts.**** But...you are a silly lad. Everything I said about Margarito which I averred was documented WAS and IS DOCUMENTED. Rather than make generalised and derogative remarks, why not use your undoubted internet expertise and look them up.... Then send me an apology. I thank you in anticipation. . .