Jack Johnson couldnt win today.

These modern heavyweights could not fight 15 rounds. They can barely fight for 6. :bottle: So true..................

People love getting their rose tinted glasses out. You see casuals saying Tyson could beat Joshua, Wilder, Fury in one round or even that he could beat them TODAY. same level of ridiculous to the crew saying Johnson or Dempsey would be champ today These guys wouldn't beat a Usyk who was observing the cruiserweight limit, in fact they'd get stood on their heads. True, the fact is that the sport has come a long, long way. I'm not even going to say Usyk is a super special talent - he is very well rounded - and a very good fighter and I hope he does well at HW - but can anyone honestly watch Usyk fight Gassiev for instance and then look back 50 years and watch an old HW fight and think that those old fighters had far better technique, speed, power, movement etc.? Seen this happen all the time, some people just have rose-tinted goggles. Seen this with an old man arguing that Don Bradman was the best cricketer ever but some young guy is arguing that he'd get smoked by today's cricketers/batsmen.

That is obvious. With each breakthrough the knowledge of any subject becomes refined and condensed in a way that you can teach someone something in a manner of minutes as opposed to taking an entire lifetime. Jack Johnson is a pioneer of boxing who fighters after him learned from. This goes back hundreds of years. Basically learning from others mistakes and successes. Like how what kids learn in public school in a little over a decade took humanity centuries to learn. I personally think around the 70's is when boxing has sort of hit a plateau concerning skill. Of course there are pioneers still today but I have noticed it has more to do with particular styles. In about a decade or so I would not be surprised if we started seeing young up and comers with certain traits such as having a lead straight right hand like Mayweather. I also would not be surprised if we saw someone come along down the line that is basically a much better version of Deontay Wilder. Regardless of what criticism people have against Wilder, he has shown a very successful style that can be vastly improved. Wilder doesnt have a style he has power and not much else. I think youre pretty much on it with the 70s onward, that theory kinda coincides with all other sports where they have ALL showed big improvements in speed power and technique over the years, it has to plateau as flesh and bone only has so much reaction time and so much tensile strength, human physical ability is not unlimited it must have a ceiling point.

Would a current HW transported back 100 years even know what to do against rules that were barely out of the Queensbury period? If they couldn't get the KO would they have the endurance for 20+ rounds? The modern guy would smash them just on skills, you dont need endurance for their 20-40 rounds lol in those days , they hardly threw a punch and just walked around, nothing like the pace and explosive power of today.

That is obvious. With each breakthrough the knowledge of any subject becomes refined and condensed in a way that you can teach someone something in a manner of minutes as opposed to taking an entire lifetime. Jack Johnson is a pioneer of boxing who fighters after him learned from. This goes back hundreds of years. Basically learning from others mistakes and successes. Like how what kids learn in public school in a little over a decade took humanity centuries to learn. I personally think around the 70's is when boxing has sort of hit a plateau concerning skill. Of course there are pioneers still today but I have noticed it has more to do with particular styles. In about a decade or so I would not be surprised if we started seeing young up and comers with certain traits such as having a lead straight right hand like Mayweather. I also would not be surprised if we saw someone come along down the line that is basically a much better version of Deontay Wilder. Regardless of what criticism people have against Wilder, he has shown a very successful style that can be vastly improved.

Would a current HW transported back 100 years even know what to do against rules that were barely out of the Queensbury period? If they couldn't get the KO would they have the endurance for 20+ rounds?

Why not? If he came out of a time machine to now, maybe he could win, still would have a shot. But if he had the same technology as the fighters now, he would be ok. The fighters from his era could go as many rounds as the fighters could handle, no KO and the fight was a draw. He signed for a 45 round fight in Cuba (100 degrees) and lasted 26 rounds way past his prime. Let me guess you think Wilder KO's him in one round, even though Johnson is way more skilled as a fighter, despite the fact that Wilder has over 100 years of film and technology advances advantage. Johnson would be fine, he was one of the best of his time for a reason. Snowballs chance in hell, 45 round fights were 2 punch a round do nothings , a modern fighter would destroy those guy in a round our two. You cant take somebody from from pre 1940s and say they will improve to 2020 standards with the training, they may be nothing but better than the terrible comp they were against, raise that level of comp 10 fold and they are an unknown. Johnson struggled with guys the size of Manny lol, and knocked over a few big guys that were farmboy useless. If you look at the styles of fighters from those eras the Johnson style of the time was so full of holes it couldnt compete with modern fighters. Johnson was more a figure because of his color and the time than boxing ability, we are lucky we are in the future and can look back and compare every detail of their ability. You can only say today that you could make them better conditioned, one cant say we will change his entire style to a modern style and they will be the same champion today, thats unrealistic to think thats how it would go, nobody is adding that the level of comp goes up by massive amounts, what says they could deal with that much higher level of competition.

Why not? If he came out of a time machine to now, maybe he could win, still would have a shot. But if he had the same technology as the fighters now, he would be ok. The fighters from his era could go as many rounds as the fighters could handle, no KO and the fight was a draw. He signed for a 45 round fight in Cuba (100 degrees) and lasted 26 rounds way past his prime. Let me guess you think Wilder KO's him in one round, even though Johnson is way more skilled as a fighter, despite the fact that Wilder has over 100 years of film and technology advances advantage. Johnson would be fine, he was one of the best of his time for a reason.

The sport evolves over time. That person doing the minimal vault would be just as good on the right if they grew up in the same time period. It's just that simple to understand. It's like people running a sub 5 minute mile... then a sub 4 minute mile... People stop once they've accomplished their goal. It keeps getting pushed and pushed. Floor routines are performed on spring floor, gymnast where not performing under those conditions in the 70's and before etc

People love getting their rose tinted glasses out. You see casuals saying Tyson could beat Joshua, Wilder, Fury in one round or even that he could beat them TODAY. same level of ridiculous to the crew saying Johnson or Dempsey would be champ today These guys wouldn't beat a Usyk who was observing the cruiserweight limit, in fact they'd get stood on their heads. Didn't Shawn Porter beat Usyk in the amateurs lmao?

True, but if it wasn't for these men boxing wouldn't be where it is today.

https://i.imgur.com/lPzpq.gif 1956 vs 2012 gold medal vaults. Not apples to apples, but the point is athletes get better over time. Comparing a fighter from 100 years ago to a modern one is stupid. I'm not going to get into an endless argument with fools about this but let me educate you once here: Boxing is an exception to that "rule". We have made many advancements in sports nutrition and science, and athletes can certainly perform at a higher level, however that is because of our better understanding of the human body. As far as boxing methodology, training, instruction, and skill level go, we have been moving in the opposite direction. There is way less knowledge in the world today and way less fighters, which lends to a much smaller talent pool and pros who turn pro with much less experience and intellect (ring wise). So no. Fighters aren't better today, if anything the average champ is far worse. Athletes on average can perform at a higher level, which is entirely different. You can be a great athlete and a crap boxer (wilder is a great example). A guy like Fury dominates any era because he is the complete package but outside of Fury, Lomachenko, Golovkin, Gonzales, and maybe Inoue, most fighters today are club fighters in the golden era of boxing when you could walk into any gym and find a Carl Froch or Ike Quartey type of fighter, a dime a dozen.

No way could he win a HW title, I think a lot of the 6 rd HWs with some potential would beat the sht out of him, he actually reminds me of Connors boxing for some reason maybe the weird foot work or something do know what it its. Ive seen guys saying Jack would beat Ali , no fkn way , to me looking at Johnson shows how far boxing has come. Johnson unifies the titles at HW and only loses a close decision to Fury.

Basically the whole vid was a HW fighting a MW.

No way could he win a HW title, I think a lot of the 6 rd HWs with some potential would beat the sht out of him, he actually reminds me of Connors boxing for some reason maybe the weird foot work or something do know what it its. Ive seen guys saying Jack would beat Ali , no fkn way , to me looking at Johnson shows how far boxing has come. An athlete from the 1800s couldn’t win a title today? What a genius observation.

No chance its laughable, its the when some people say Marciano would be champion today but it's not true yes he was relentless and could take a beaten but boxing and boxers have evolved.

https://i.imgur.com/lPzpq.gif 1956 vs 2012 gold medal vaults. Not apples to apples, but the point is athletes get better over time. Comparing a fighter from 100 years ago to a modern one is stupid. The sport evolves over time. That person doing the minimal vault would be just as good on the right if they grew up in the same time period. It's just that simple to understand. It's like people running a sub 5 minute mile... then a sub 4 minute mile... People stop once they've accomplished their goal. It keeps getting pushed and pushed.

https://i.imgur.com/lPzpq.gif 1956 vs 2012 gold medal vaults. Not apples to apples, but the point is athletes get better over time. Comparing a fighter from 100 years ago to a modern one is stupid. Thank you for saving me the time.

He was the best of his day. The world had a much smaller population then and boxers did not make much money even as heavyweight champion so there was little competition. Big money brings in talent and the big money was not there back then. Jack Dempsey was the start of big money in heavyweight boxing. As the film showed boxers could hold and hit legally and the ref never broke up a clinch. It was sort of like a ufc fight. It's obvious Johnson did not have the speed or skill to beat Ali or even give him a hard fight. Johnson does deserve respect for being the best of his time but those old timers could not beat a top modern boxer.

People love getting their rose tinted glasses out. You see casuals saying Tyson could beat Joshua, Wilder, Fury in one round or even that he could beat them TODAY. same level of ridiculous to the crew saying Johnson or Dempsey would be champ today These guys wouldn't beat a Usyk who was observing the cruiserweight limit, in fact they'd get stood on their heads. Agree with jack johnson he's 1900s era But i think prime lennox lewis would beat tyson fury tho between 1990s and current era Boxing does not change much ( maybe sport science idk)