Is Gennady Golovkin Overrated or Underrated?

Forget the forum on this topic, full of idiots. I think overall - he is rated about right, maybe marginally overrated. Let me explain... He will go down as a first ballot HOFer, for me he definitely is a HOFer but I think many people have him as one of the greatest middleweights of all time, I've heard it banded around quite a lot in boxing media and I dont agree with that, he simply did not prove. I think he was vastly overrated pre-Brook fight, but since that fight he has proved himself, he has proved he is elite but he also proved he is not a destroyer of good fighters. He doesnt overwhelm elite fighters, he competes with them, and generally ends up in close, either way fights. His skills and speed are B+ and B respectively, but his stamina, IQ, power, consistency are all up there. But at the end of the day you are a sum of what you accomplished, he had a lengthy reign, which didnt mean much, mostly C and D level fighters, he did show that he is consistent in that phase of his career. But ultimately he would be judged on his win over Jacob's, which was a very close fight, the two Canelo fights, for me both either way fights, maybe you'd lean his way in the first, and Derv which was also very close. Here is the thing, I think he had All Time Greatness in the palm of his hand in the second Canelo fight and let it go. I said this in the aftermath and whenever I discuss the fight. I think GGG has the ability to take Canelo into deep waters and drown him, but he chose to box and move (well), he just doesnt seem to have the mentality to go for it from Round 1 and let it all go. I strongly feel, in a war of attrition he would outlast Canelo and stop him late. In that second fight, he had a Canelo who was moving towards him and he himself decided to box, he let the moment slip. So overall - great fighter, he has proved that, even if you call those Canelo fights same as judges. Just not what he was cracked up to be before he stepped his competition up. If you matched him with all the belt holders over the past 25 years, he would win a lot more than he'd lose, but he would certainly lose some. If you matched him with a prime hopkins, I think hes a level below that. That’s a fair assessment, and I will add that I think he did go for broke towards the end of the Canelo rematch. He decided to box because Canelo made him respect his power. Golovkin was on his way to losing a clear decision in the 116-112 range but he rallied late to close the gap. In summary, I think that he got to the top of the mountain a little late but not so late that he was washed up. He would be rated higher if he had gotten a “passing of the torch” match with Sergio Martinez in 2012-2013 or a fight with Canelo or Cotto in 2015 instead of them fighting each other. Either way he has had a HOF career. Not an ATG career but he’s certainly not a hype job either.

Nelo has more fights vs better opposition GGG has less fights vs worse competition At what point did GGG suddenly get ''old'' ?!?!?! Who wore him out prior to his fights with Nelo ? GGG was too content with the weak level of opponent he was fed. Now he's old.....

With his jab, stamina, workrate and punch resistance, he would be a very tough fight vs anyone all-time at (or around) 160. Great fighter with no major holes in his game.

Everyone who fought him say good things. He took nel o to the brink both fights. Ability wise he's right up there. it's his resume people question his ability isn't in doubt

So... lemme... just figure this out. So. If the majority of people think a fighter is overated, then who exactly is doing the overating? Conversely if more said that he was 'underated' wouldn't that too prove the antithesis? Surely if anything this vote shows that most people aren't overating Golovkin... in a weird way doesn't the poll result actually disprove itself?:thinking: All these overated / underrated threads are kinda strange anyway, like, you're not asking how people rate the fighter in question but how people compare their own estimation to what they believe to be the perception of other people. I am the only one that finds that a little odd, conceptually.:lol1: I find it odd that you would get confused over a simple question lol

Yeah he's naturally heavy handed, especially with those forearms, so he doesn't need to throw hard to make it felt. Too bad he lost the snap/speed he had when he was younger. His punches used to be so much more devastating. Agreed.....,.....

I saw hard punches from Golovkin but his detractors discount them. Guys who have been in the ring with him and sparring partners comment on how hard he punches without looking flashy and that includes his jab. Yeah he's naturally heavy handed, especially with those forearms, so he doesn't need to throw hard to make it felt. Too bad he lost the snap/speed he had when he was younger. His punches used to be so much more devastating.

I still don't get how compubox missed several body shots. I counted 11, while there could've been around 15 but the camera angle wasn't that great so I didn't tally them. But I mean it would kind of make sense that Golovkin was landing more than just jabs because if he wasn't, that would be pretty embarrassing if Canelo couldn't dodge that many punches and simply avoid the jab. I saw hard punches from Golovkin but his detractors discount them. Guys who have been in the ring with him and sparring partners comment on how hard he punches without looking flashy and that includes his jab.

Yeah he landed plenty of hard punches. If you look at his lack of body punching he definitely landed more total punches to Canelo's head than the other way around. I still don't get how compubox missed several body shots. I counted 11, while there could've been around 15 but the camera angle wasn't that great so I didn't tally them. But I mean it would kind of make sense that Golovkin was landing more than just jabs because if he wasn't, that would be pretty embarrassing if Canelo couldn't dodge that many punches and simply avoid the jab.

I must've watched a different fight compared to some of these dudes because I vividly remember Golovkin landing a hell of a lot more than just jabs. That's when you know it must be a really good jab, when you can't pay attention to anything else but that. Yeah he landed plenty of hard punches. If you look at his lack of body punching he definitely landed more total punches to Canelo's head than the other way around.

I must've watched a different fight compared to some of these dudes because I vividly remember Golovkin landing a hell of a lot more than just jabs. That's when you know it must be a really good jab, when you can't pay attention to anything else but that.

In the real world of boxing, when fighters watch tape of their fight, they knew Canelo needed to time his counters and that meant submitting at range to be probed with a jab. Most world fighters wouldn’t even want to get jabbed by GGG yet when they see how good Canelo’s compubox showed a neutralization never done before because GGG’s opponents never had such success. GGG just jabbed cause he was skurrred. But it’s a good thing he did crazy mitt work for years doe... Yeah he really neutralized Golovkin. LOL In the rematch he got out landed in 8 of the 12 rounds. In the first fight he got out landed in 10 of the 12 rounds. The only thing unheard of is the amount of BS you just posted.

case in point....golovkin got tagged up and beaten "mexican style" and the gggroupies are still touting that "jab doe".....because its all golovkin did well....it didnt disrupt canelo from tagging up golovkins face OK so Canelo wants Golovkin to land constant jabs on him and disrupt his momentum. Good to know. Go ask Canelo's trainers if they would like Golovkin to abandon his jab in favor of getting into a hand speed contest. The obvious answer is yes. Maybe you better not. They will probably think you're ******ed or insane for even asking and most likely throw you out of the gym before you do something crazy.

networks, scribes, and even other fighters/trainers......its possible that the boxing world/media could be over touting a fighter and the fans dont think a guy is all that :lol1: I was being facetious, man. Bit of fun with logic. My humour ain't to everyone's taste though. TS could possibly have been a little more specific however. My first thought with these kinda questions is always 'by whom?' Current media opinion seems to be that Golovkin's a very good fighter who's past his best and probably living on borrowed time. Wouldn't you say that's a reasonable take? Anyone who ever said he was an ATG was overating him, anyone who says he was always just average or nothing unusual is underating him. Most of what lies between is valid opinion.

hes been a very good fighter, he couldnt put any distance between himself jacobs and canelo but thats no shame as all 3 are very good and ggg was a fair bit older than them too, not sure how much he had declined mid 30's but thats another argument i guess

So... lemme... just figure this out. So. If the majority of people think a fighter is overated, then who exactly is doing the overating? Surely if anything this vote shows that most people aren't overating Golovkin... in a weird way doesn't the poll result actually disprove itself?:thinking: All these overated / underrated threads are kinda strange anyway, like, you're not asking how people rate the fighter in question but how people compare their own estimation to what they believe to be the perception of other people. I am the only one that finds that a little odd, conceptually.:lol1: networks, scribes, and even other fighters/trainers......its possible that the boxing world/media could be over touting a fighter and the fans dont think a guy is all that

So... lemme... just figure this out. So. If the majority of people think a fighter is overated, then who exactly is doing the overating? Conversely if more said that he was 'underated' wouldn't that too prove the antithesis? Surely if anything this vote shows that most people aren't overating Golovkin... in a weird way doesn't the poll result actually disprove itself?:thinking: All these overated / underrated threads are kinda strange anyway, like, you're not asking how people rate the fighter in question but how people compare their own estimation to what they believe to be the perception of other people. I am the only one that finds that a little odd, conceptually.:lol1:

The last thing Canelo wants is Golovkin throwing jabs. He has a big problem defending against it and it disrupts his offense. He'd rather engage in exchanges that favor his better hand speed. case in point....golovkin got tagged up and beaten "mexican style" and the gggroupies are still touting that "jab doe".....because its all golovkin did well....it didnt disrupt canelo from tagging up golovkins face

agree totally....and that 2nd fight was the type of fight he begged canelo to fight...canelo happily obliged him going into the first fight i believe canelo was giving golovkin credit and the benefit of the doubt that he was as strong and good as advertised...and in the 2nd fight he was not afraid of anything golovkin could do to him...i think he bought into the myth and then realized it just wasnt that true i do believe golovkin is good....but he got by beating up guys like curtis stevens...who lost to legit d level club fighters.... the golovkin super fans swear that jab, which as you mentioned was really all he did well, is some measure of immense success.....in boxing youre gonna have to give/give up something to get something....what punch do you think canelo would want golovkin to be throwing? and alot of? my guess is he would want golovkin throwing jabs The last thing Canelo wants is Golovkin throwing jabs. He has a big problem defending against it and it disrupts his offense. He'd rather engage in exchanges that favor his better hand speed.

Fought too many scrubs. Given more credit than he deserves in Nelo rematch. In both fights, the only thing that worked for GGG was his jab. No body shots, no combos, no ring generalship, questionable defense...... If you look at his fights with Top MWs in Canelo, Jacobs, and Dervenchenko they're all razor close fights. That's a good and bad thing. It means GGG belongs in the same company as those guys which is elite MW but it also means...hes just like those guys. Dervenchenko and Jacobs are not ATG and I'm not sure Canelo will ever be either. GGGs inability to separate himself from that group will also be the reason he may never achieve ATG status