How good is the average American heavyweight boxer ?

Most American hws are posted up in the paint or on the gridiron. Most British HWs are on a rugby pitch. Most Russian HWs are on a hockey rink or wrestling. This same thing applies to most countries. i'm not sure boxing has priority for HW sized athletes anywhere.

I understand what you are saying but the sheer number of outstanding and large athletes that are playing NFL football and NBA Basket ball in the USA drains the field of potential heavyweight fighters in the USA. Also most of these heavyweight USA athletes from an early age gave all of their attention and training to playing ball. I'm sure that many of these same athletes would have been outstanding boxers had their focus been boxing from early on. My conclusion is that no boxer is any better than another boxer based on citizenship. The basis is individual talent which has to factor in size, athleticism, training and when development began. I agree with the argument. Of course if a lot of those other sportsmen instead turned to boxing, the US would have a much deeper HW pool. Possibly a few greats too I just wanted to bring up the point that other countries have a similar ‘issue’, if you want to call it one. I wouldn’t say the US is disproportionately affected this way compared to most other countries

Let’s not waste any more time then. Your politics and projections are yours alone. Good luck! Your own personal insecurities and delusions of politics that don't exist are yours alone. Have fun!

Once again:The reason you're not understanding this is because you're looming at it as a competition so you can say "me too." And it's not a competition. I was answering a question, as an Afro-American, that was asked about the state of Boxing in my country. And I answered in detail. The same can NOT be said for the UK because the UK does not have our same exact history nor. racial nor cultural issues- not to our extent- not as bloody, etc etc. There's no competition on that front. And therefore it all led to the answer I gave the OP in my post. I'm sure something I said reminded you of a parallel case in your country. That's fine. As for what colors you pretend not to see: irrelevant when I'm discussing AMERICAN boxing. Try too remember you were confused and started this conversation to nowhere with me for some poor reason. Let’s not waste any more time then. Your politics and projections are yours alone. Good luck!

I understand the logic of the argument, that boxing isn’t as attractive to the bigger guys in the US anymore But what I don’t understand is the assumption that it only happens in the US. This happens almost everywhere. If you’re a bigger sportsman in the UK for example, boxing isn’t going to be the first sport to go to either If anything, the US had the advantage of having that economic allure for decades that other countries didn’t have. Now the playing field is far more balanced globally I understand what you are saying but the sheer number of outstanding and large athletes that are playing NFL football and NBA Basket ball in the USA drains the field of potential heavyweight fighters in the USA. Also most of these heavyweight USA athletes from an early age gave all of their attention and training to playing ball. I'm sure that many of these same athletes would have been outstanding boxers had their focus been boxing from early on. My conclusion is that no boxer is any better than another boxer based on citizenship. The basis is individual talent which has to factor in size, athleticism, training and when development began.

Well no, the competition angle you've made up is on you, nothing to do with me. I'll leave it with you I couldn't care less what your skin colour is or what country you are from. I'm not sure why you feel it important to bring it up, to me at least Back to what I said though, I was making a general point, and not directing the assumption at you. Nothing in your post actually refers to it, but I thought I'd make it clear now. I've seen the logic used numerous times on this board, that the US is losing potential great fighters to other economic interests, but other countries are not, or at least not to that extent. I'm saying that's simply not true, whatever the socio-economic reasons are behind it Once again:The reason you're not understanding this is because you're looming at it as a competition so you can say "me too." And it's not a competition. I was answering a question, as an Afro-American, that was asked about the state of Boxing in my country. And I answered in detail. The same can NOT be said for the UK because the UK does not have our same exact history nor. racial nor cultural issues- not to our extent- not as bloody, etc etc. There's no competition on that front. And therefore it all led to the answer I gave the OP in my post. I'm sure something I said reminded you of a parallel case in your country. That's fine. As for what colors you pretend not to see: irrelevant when I'm discussing AMERICAN boxing. Try too remember you were confused and started this conversation to nowhere with me for some poor reason.

The reason you're not understanding this is because you're looming at it as a competition so you can say "me too." And it's not a competition. I was answering a question, as an Afro-American, that was asked about the state of Boxing in my country. And I answered in detail. The same can NOT be said for the UK because the UK does not have our same exact history nor. racial nor cultural issues- not to our extent- not as bloody, etc etc. There's no competition on that front. And therefore it all led to the answer I gave the OP in my post. I'm sure something I said reminded you of a parallel case in your country. That's fine. Well no, the competition angle you've made up is on you, nothing to do with me. I'll leave it with you I couldn't care less what your skin colour is or what country you are from. I'm not sure why you feel it important to bring it up, to me at least Back to what I said though, I was making a general point, and not directing the assumption at you. Nothing in your post actually refers to it, but I thought I'd make it clear now. I've seen the logic used numerous times on this board, that the US is losing potential great fighters to other economic interests, but other countries are not, or at least not to that extent. I'm saying that's simply not true, whatever the socio-economic reasons are behind it

How did you find that statistic?

I understand the logic of the argument, that boxing isn’t as attractive to the bigger guys in the US anymore But what I don’t understand is the assumption that it only happens in the US. This happens almost everywhere. If you’re a bigger sportsman in the UK for example, boxing isn’t going to be the first sport to go to either If anything, the US had the advantage of having that economic allure for decades that other countries didn’t have. Now the playing field is far more balanced globally The reason you're not understanding this is because you're looming at it as a competition so you can say "me too." And it's not a competition. I was answering a question, as an Afro-American, that was asked about the state of Boxing in my country. And I answered in detail. The same can NOT be said for the UK because the UK does not have our same exact history nor. racial nor cultural issues- not to our extent- not as bloody, etc etc. There's no competition on that front. And therefore it all led to the answer I gave the OP in my post. I'm sure something I said reminded you of a parallel case in your country. That's fine.

Boxrec. Boxeoguide has them too, but they just take them from Boxrec. https://boxeoguide.com/search/country/us

Here are the top 4 countries by total professional boxers Mexico: 4,016 pro boxers, 1 in 330,000 people becomes a boxer there UK: 1,046 pro boxers, 1 in 750,000 becomes a boxer Japan: 1,222 pro boxers, 1 in 900,000 becomes a boxer US: 3,345 pro boxers, 1 in 1,000,000 becomes a boxer I admit I was expecting the difference to be a bit wider. where u getting your stats from?

There are only 171 LHW pro boxers in America, a country with 165 million men. Man they must just suck then right? How many take part in boxing and you're telling me only 171 could make the cut? Wow Americans must be really weak or something..../s

No, we're talking about all males ranging from 5 feet tall to 6 feet tall. Presumably there are millions of those in America...so where are all the American champions within that range? MW, SMW, LHW etc.? Boxing isn't first world middle class USA vs UK anymore. As an example, can you tell me what happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union and what affect did it have on boxing? Answer this. ("After the collapse of the Soviet Union, all americans became really fat and started playing football and basketball!") There are only 171 LHW pro boxers in America, a country with 165 million men.

5'6"? Are we talking about males here? No, we're talking about all males ranging from 5 feet tall to 6 feet tall. Presumably there are millions of those in America...so where are all the American champions within that range? MW, SMW, LHW etc.? Boxing isn't first world middle class USA vs UK anymore. As an example, can you tell me what happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union and what affect did it have on boxing? Answer this. ("After the collapse of the Soviet Union, all americans became really fat and started playing football and basketball!")

Got it, so all the American Heavyweights, Cruiserweights etc. are fat. All the 5 foot to 6 foot tall males are 220 lbs. Makes sense...... 5'6"? Are we talking about males here?

As an American myself, when I survey the HW division right now, I think the American contingent looks pretty pedestrian. American HWs have a lot of work to do if they wanna reclaim some of the golden days of years past

There aren't many adult males in the U.S. that weigh less than 160. We are a very large and fat country. https://www.healthline.com/health/mens-health/average-weight-for-men#average-weight-around-the-world Got it, so all the American Heavyweights, Cruiserweights etc. are fat. All the 5 foot to 6 foot tall males are 220 lbs. Makes sense......

lol at those making the same tired old "All the heavyweights are playing football/basketball". What a pathetic and easily debunkable coping theory. Where are all the American boxing champs outside of the HW division? Are they dominating every weight class below heavyweight? Presumably the 160 pounders aren't playing basketball and football? So where are they? "Uhh-uhhh....they are playing...umm....badminton...or starting rap careers..." lol. There aren't many adult males in the U.S. that weigh less than 160. We are a very large and fat country. https://www.healthline.com/health/mens-health/average-weight-for-men#average-weight-around-the-world

lol at those making the same tired old "All the heavyweights are playing football/basketball". What a pathetic and easily debunkable coping theory. Where are all the American boxing champs outside of the HW division? Are they dominating every weight class below heavyweight? Presumably the 160 pounders aren't playing basketball and football? So where are they? "Uhh-uhhh....they are playing...umm....badminton...or starting rap careers..." lol. The truth is boxing used to be, even just a few decades ago, just the USA vs the UK, now it has grown as a sport and Americans can't cope with their superiority complex being shattered as people from all over the world are becoming champions. You could just as easily explain why ANY nationality isn't dominating 'X' division...maybe they are playing their own sports too, or going to work to provide for their family, or serving in the military etc. Notice how every time a division is dominated by a non-American it is a 'weak' division? But then conveniently if an American comes along and becomes the champ in that division it all of a sudden becomes a great division? Seen it happen so many times, it's so predictable and hilarious. Guys are bums but as soon as an American beats them, their scalp is used to proclaim how great the American is, and if an American loses they were never the sh_t anyway (like we saw with Wilder for example).

Yes but they have transcended the sport, a bit like Mayweather did. Fury has only recently done so by the way, and a lot of that is down to Joshua's promotion and the need to have the rivalry Joshua has been groomed since the olympics, being placed on national advertisements with almost cringeworthy efficiency. He was all over brands like Lynx and Lucozade for example, where the only other single personality I can think of is maybe Lewis Hamilton. Nationally. Fury beating Wilder has thrown him into Joshua's media spotlight It may be true there are more British boxers per capita, but I don't have those statistics. I would be interested to see what this was like in the 1980s also for example. British boxing is in a bit of a renaissance period right now though at a grassroots level, and I don't think we'll be seeing the fruits of that for another 10 years or so, and would be interesting to revisit then Here are the top 4 countries by total professional boxers Mexico: 4,016 pro boxers, 1 in 330,000 people becomes a boxer there UK: 1,046 pro boxers, 1 in 750,000 becomes a boxer Japan: 1,222 pro boxers, 1 in 900,000 becomes a boxer US: 3,345 pro boxers, 1 in 1,000,000 becomes a boxer I admit I was expecting the difference to be a bit wider.