did Tyson Fury improve THAT much?

Therin lies the point though. In the first fight Wilder found it hard to land clean on Fury because of Fury's style...yet he still put Fury down twice because inevitably, he WILL land at least once in a fight. In the second fight due to Fury's kronk style, it was far easier for Wilder to land clean and yet Fury walked through them. This suggests something was wrong with Wilder, far more than it suggests TF magically developed a chin. That only means if TF resorts to the same kronk style in the third fight, whilst Wilder fixes whatever issue he had in the last fight, Wilder will knock Fury out. He didn't land with a flush right like he did in the first fight. Fury took it away from him.

Tell you the truth, watching Fury's earlier career before Klitschko I didn't think he was that good. But since then he has been on a level much higher than Joshua and Wilder.

Fury can beat bums like Wilder and Joshua any way he wants. He can comfortably outbox & school them, or he can walk them down and smash them to bits. It depends what mood he wakes up in. Fury is levels above everyone else, he's always been the most naturally talented of the trio, and now it's clearly showing.

Wilder got extremely lucky in the 1st fight when he landed. It's not 'inevitably'. Fury got too cute and comfortable and Wilder finally landed something in the 12th round. He was getting his ass beat all over the ring in the 1st fight by an out of shape Fury. In the 2nd fight, Wilder didn't land jack sht while Fury was in good shape, and specifically trained for strength. I have no idea what excuse you're trying to manufacture. Fat slob Fury outboxed Wilder for 11 rounds, and magically got a draw. He came in shape and beat him into submission. If Fury is back on coke and has been eating bangers and mash every day during Covid, Wilder will catch him easily in the 3rd.

What I took away was not so much that Fury was like a whole different fighter, but that he sort of re-calibrated his existing skillset. He took what he always had and pushed it forward, aggressive rather than pulling it all back, defensive. What was it they said in The Irishman? "Always rush a gun, from a knife you run" Deontay has a cannon, but Fury rushed him and got in there.

Never saw Wilder look worse. I don't know what his idea was coming in so heavy (heaviest of his career) but whatever the idea was, it was not a good one. Against Fury, Wilder needed to move and keep moving but he didn't or couldn't. - -Never seen a Deyonce fight before? Any top 30 fighter can easily outbox him, and it ain't a secret any more than his footwork is scatological as is his style.

Fury came into II in great shape, muscled and hard ... and prepared to throw hard punches for 12 rounds (I'll skip the glove situation). Hard to say if Wilder didn't train enough, or perhaps over-trained ... but he was not ready to fight at a fast pace for 12 rounds, that night. The preparation was either lacking or failed to peak at the right time. Going forward Fury will try to be even better prepared to throw and take punches, and be very agressive. Wilder has to prepare for THAT defensively, and also develop a good strategy for attacking while being under attack. Wilder needs a good strategy. I liked the extra weight ... he needs to further tone it and get used to carrying it and effectively using it. He HAS to prepare for a WAR. Hard punches WILL be incoming. And he has to prepare to fight at that pace for 12 rounds WITH a strategy that gets him his moments. Then he needs to really execute when those moments are there. Basically, prepare to be an excellent HW fighter against a great, capable opponent. He has to figure out how to deal with Fury's 85" reach better too. Fury's reach doesn't allow Wilder space to step back safely. Wilder has to push Fury back or stay in the pocket and punch. The Kronk influence definitely improved Fury's "punch", aggressiveness, and determination. And, Fury has always had a decent chin. If he didn't he would have been done when Admiral Cunningham dropped him. It's a pretty large, sturdy chin. :boxing:

Therin lies the point though. In the first fight Wilder found it hard to land clean on Fury because of Fury's style...yet he still put Fury down twice because inevitably, he WILL land at least once in a fight. In the second fight due to Fury's kronk style, it was far easier for Wilder to land clean and yet Fury walked through them. This suggests something was wrong with Wilder, far more than it suggests TF magically developed a chin. That only means if TF resorts to the same kronk style in the third fight, whilst Wilder fixes whatever issue he had in the last fight, Wilder will knock Fury out. Fury was coming forward and pushing wilder back. Wilder was throwing on the back foot. Very few boxers keep their power going backwards.

Just let it go, man. The fight was what it was. Wilder is a limited fighter who relies on his power & athleticism. Fury was always a bad matchup for him. The time to get to him was when he was just coming back from the long layoff. Could he theoretically KO Fury in the 3rd fight? Yeah, because of his ungodly power, but it's more likely Fury will school him again, as he's already won like 14 of the 19 rounds they fought Therin lies the point though. In the first fight Wilder found it hard to land clean on Fury because of Fury's style...yet he still put Fury down twice because inevitably, he WILL land at least once in a fight. In the second fight due to Fury's kronk style, it was far easier for Wilder to land clean and yet Fury walked through them. This suggests something was wrong with Wilder, far more than it suggests TF magically developed a chin. That only means if TF resorts to the same kronk style in the third fight, whilst Wilder fixes whatever issue he had in the last fight, Wilder will knock Fury out.

I think the Kronk Gym mentality changed him a little. Interesting thought. I have seen some old school trainers float around the idea that someone’s chin is mostly mental, so it’s possible.

Just let it go, man. The fight was what it was. Wilder is a limited fighter who relies on his power & athleticism. Fury was always a bad matchup for him. The time to get to him was when he was just coming back from the long layoff. Could he theoretically KO Fury in the 3rd fight? Yeah, because of his ungodly power, but it's more likely Fury will school him again, as he's already won like 14 of the 19 rounds they fought

I believe Fury when he said he figured Wilder out in Rd 12. He stunned Wilder going forward after the KD. All he had to do was go into Rd13

- -How much $ U lose on Deyonce? none, since i'm an aj and fury supporter, but apparently it is haraam to support both now because of little fairies like you.

I think the Kronk Gym mentality changed him a little.

Never saw Wilder look worse. I don't know what his idea was coming in so heavy (heaviest of his career) but whatever the idea was, it was not a good one. Against Fury, Wilder needed to move and keep moving but he didn't or couldn't.

The difference is that Fury can fight, Wilder can't. If you fight the one way Wilder wants then he's a great chance. I honestly wouldn't know what way to beat Fury. I suspect it'll need someone who can box on the outside with him but land heavier blows and still land going backwards. For all the hype, Fury's still not a big hitter, not a 'great mover'. He's a good mover for a man of his size. I don't know if that guy exists, but it's not Wilder by a long chalk. As for Fury's chin. I don't know if I'm so confident in it. Wilder never really tested it in the second fight. Landed a couple of good shots in the first and put him on his trunks. The Undertaker stuff is more hype than reality. The closest contender is Joshua. Easily. Beat Joshua and the last remaining question marks go away.

Begin with Tyson's defence/chin/legs. The idea is that Tyson Fury put on weight, came in at 274lbs and because of this additional weight, Wilder couldnt put him down. I find this one hard to believe. In the first fight, Wilder put him down twice, in the 12th in almost devastating fashion. Did 14lbs+ magically give TF a chin to the point where Wilder landed HEAVY blows and TF wasnt even bothered? That isnt possible. Even if TF had stronger legs, the contrast between the 2 fights was too much. what is far more likely is that Wilder's legs WERE weak (forget the costume trolling) for whatever reasons. Maybe even he doesnt know what it really was? Maybe it was just one of those nights? Keep in mind that there are some chavs who think Tyson Fury put on 14lbs of muscle and that was the big difference maker. That is not possible so soon. more likely a bit of muscle, more water/glycogen and fat..and that doesnt make a huge difference in defence. The other is that TF changed his style and 'put it on Wilder' but again that doesnt explain how TF magically developed a chin. In fact this change in TF's style, made it easier for Wilder to land clean...and he did, so it goes back to Tyson magically developing a chin... it's more than likely Wilder had an offnight and didn't have the power he would normally have. in that case, IF he shows up in the rematch back to his usual self, he could well knock Tyson out cold. - -How much $ U lose on Deyonce?

No, it was more of a surprise tactic, he literally said what he was going to do and no one believed him... He walked into Wilders wheelhouse and pushed him back Yup. Reminded me of Mosley pushing back Margarito. No answer for it.

No. The only thing that changed was Fury made it a dog fight. He forced Wilder into a fight that he never had before. It showed and Wilder got beat one sided. If not for the bleeding ear, it would have just been a 12 round beat down. Fury wiped the ring with that man. Could have been stopped earlier but I wanted the violence to continue.

No, it was more of a surprise tactic, he literally said what he was going to do and no one believed him... He walked into Wilders wheelhouse and pushed him back that's partially true, but you still cant develop a chin like that suddenly with 14lbs or whatever. if he was being put down in the first fight the way he did, if he was hurt by Otto Wallin....kronk or no kronk, a 'normal' Wilder would have knocked him down at the very least. He landed clean several times and Fury walked right through them.