Again, 90s heavyweights are very overrated

This era consist of 4 fighters, then there is big gap to the following pack 'The following pack consist of fighters who are not really that dangerous'. The 90's top 4 where Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe & Mike Tyson. The following pack was by some margin way more dangerous than today's following pack, fighters such as Micheal Moorer, Andrew Golota, David Tua, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Frank Bruno, Oliver McCall, Herbie Hide, Ike Ibeabuchi, Francis Botha 'Then there was a 3rd wave of heavyweights after the second tier that was also dangerous'. Deontay Wilder would of been knocked out in the 90's multiple times, there was just too many heavyweights that where technically Superior to the fighters active today. Even if Wilder avoided the big boys, fighters from that following pack have a high chance of sparking him out 'Wilder does not reign as champion for so long in any other era'. Note: You only have to check video tapes to understand that the 90's heavyweights generally where better technically than today's fighters. Even Fury in my opinion is still a clumsy heavyweight, that cumbersome heavyweight that Haye saw is still inside of him. Tyson Fury is the number 1 heavyweight now, but when it is all said and done 'Joshua may come out on top, purely due to his near psychopathic work ethic'. I fully agree not enough strength in-depth beyond the top guys today.

Or old holmes beating mercer and giving holyfield problems

53 yr old Mike is not an in-ring threat to the top heavies of today but the 90’s era of hwys craps all over this current era, with the exception of a notable few who don’t bear mentioning, cos we all know who!

A post of mine from another thread, answering similar question. Interesting take but it seems like he was living on his perception more than anything in the 90s. Look at the people going crazy over his training vids at 53 and some of his hardcore fans are saying he could still be a threat at HW which is nonsense of course. Based on resume from let's say '90 to 2002 even when he faced Lewis, is his resume top 4? I'm not saying it isn't but again Mike has lived on the perception as the "baddest man in the world" for over 30 years now.

When you list Tyson as one of the top 4 of the 90s are you factoring in what he did in the 80s there or just his 90s resume? From Buster Douglas onward. A post of mine from another thread, answering similar question. Mike Tyson become the WBC, WBA heavyweight champion for the second time when he came out of jail 'He could still beat 95% of the top heavyweights, was still a danger who? All the other champions where constantly being compared to etc Right up until the end of his career, nothing lightly was ever made of the potential violence that Mike Tyson could produce inside of a ring 'You make it sound as if he was knocked out and ran away' History did not go down like that. Mike Tyson was a bench mark for the large majority of his career, it was only when Lennox Lewis beat him 'Did his fire get extinguished to a certain extent' Up until that point? Many people around the world, whether they where deluded, passionate fans or boxing experts 'A lot of people still thought that he was the baddest man in the world' That is why Lennox Lewis had to face him. You are speaking of Mike Tyson as if he become some sort of joke in the 90's 'There was always a look of apprehension, on his opponents faces' Not at any point in Mike Tyson's career, did he become a joke. Not at any point in his career, could his opponents mock his abilities. Nobody was laughing at him during his press conferences, when people go and see tamed Lions in a zoo 'Deep down they are still afraid'. This was the same situation with Mike Tyson during the 90's and even early 2000's, just like those Lions he needed handlers around him. I understand that people when it comes to Mike Tyson, want to create fairy-tales, people want to create myths that? All you had to do was stand up to him, and he would disappear 'History did not go down like that, those are just fairy tales and Science fiction'. Mike Tyson did not just disappear, he was menacing ethereal force that existed everywhere in the world of boxing. Every single champion or heavyweight prospect who came along, they always at some point where asked that question? 'When are you going to face Mike Tyson'. There has not been a heavyweight since Mike Tyson who has had such impression and hold of the collective psyche of the boxing world. Fighters these days get beat, they disappear or become dismissed 'Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder' all of these guys are 1-2 defeats away from disappearing 'For some mystical reason that did not happen with Mike Tyson'.

This era consist of 4 fighters, then there is big gap to the following pack 'The following pack consist of fighters who are not really that dangerous'. The 90's top 4 where Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe & Mike Tyson. The following pack was by some margin way more dangerous than today's following pack, fighters such as Micheal Moorer, Andrew Golota, David Tua, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Frank Bruno, Oliver McCall, Herbie Hide, Ike Ibeabuchi, Francis Botha 'Then there was a 3rd wave of heavyweights after the second tier that was also dangerous'. When you list Tyson as one of the top 4 of the 90s are you factoring in what he did in the 80s there or just his 90s resume? From Buster Douglas onward.

Foreman got demolished by a guy who RAN AWAY!?!?!? Well that's a new use of the word I'd never heard before. I always wondered what happened to Bubbles the Chimp, looks like he grew up and moved to Gary, Indiana. Did you read the post your racist fxck? I said Joshua. 90s was also the era of steroids and HGH. And for all the steroids and HGH those guys had available to them in endless supply without testing - it was an average era that became great due to hype. Most of them were also on cocaine and cocaine gives added advantage. I'll always pick the 60s/70s and then this era depending on the next 5-10 yrs as my top 3 eras. Imagine being a stan of a guy who looks like this accusing others of being on steroids & HGH And cocaine definitely does not give you an "advantage" Have you ever done coke? Your heart would speed to insane amounts and you'd feel like you were having a heart attack if you tried to fight on it. https://i.pinimg.com/564x/d7/63/04/d76304286b2a55ab64acd6e55e97e9d5.jpg Tyson Fury got knocked down by a scrowny black cruiserweight. Right? He did. And your favorite hw Mike Tyson was beaten by a journeyman when he was 24 years old. And I am not even a Brit, lol. My favorite HW was snorting coke and banging strippers the night before the fight and STILL should've won the fight against a Buster Douglass who would whoop Andy Ruiz's morbidly obese ass https://eurweb.com/2017/10/08/bobby-brown-blames-himself-and-japanese-hookers-for-mike-tyson-loss/

I wouldn`t pick nobody from 90s to beat Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury's first fight at elite level where he has separated himself from the fighter was? Against Deontay Wilder. Yes he won the fight vs Kiltschko, but it was not dominant to the point where 'Referee was having to stop the fight, or people could not envision Kiltschko winning a rematch' those are the facts. But people within the boxing community, try and make out that his win vs Kiltschko was some sort of technical master class 'He bamboozled Kilschko, he stole the fight'. Tyson Fury is number 1 right now, no doubt about that 'But he has not separated himself from the pack'. Deontay Wilder has intermediate level boxing skills, Wilder does not reign for champion very long in the 90's 'There are just too many fighters who could violently spark him out'. I honestly don't think we have seen enough of Tyson Fury against a more in-depth field of competitors. We know more about Anthony Joshua than we do about Tyson Fury 'Anthony Joshua has a by far deeper resume'. Come to think of it? In some ways the 3rd fight between Deontay Wilder is kind of unnecessary. Tyson Fury needs to move on from his trilogy of fights quickly.

This era consist of 4 fighters, then there is big gap to the following pack 'The following pack consist of fighters who are not really that dangerous'. The 90's top 4 where Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe & Mike Tyson. The following back was by some margin way more dangerous than today's following pack, fighters such as Micheal Moorer, Andrew Golota, David Tua, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Frank Bruno, Oliver McCall, Herbie Hide, Ike Ibeabuchi, Francis Botha 'Then there was a 3rd wave of heavyweights after the second tier that was also dangerous'. Deontay Wilder would of been knocked out in the 90's multiple times, here was just too many heavyweights that where technically Superior to the fighters active today. Even if Wilder avoided the big boys, fighters from that following pack have a high chance of sparking him out 'Wilder does not reign as champion for so long in any other era'. Note: You only have to check video tapes to understand that the 90's heavyweights generally where better technically than today's fighters. Even Fury in my opinion is still a clumsy heavyweight, that cumbersome heavyweight that Haye saw is still inside of him. Tyson Fury is the number 1 heavyweight now, but when it is all said and done 'Joshua may come out on top, purely due to his near psychopathic work ethic'. I wouldn`t pick nobody from 90s to beat Tyson Fury.

Ugh, you Brits and your crazy theories. George Foreman got demolished by Evander Holyfield and Tommy Morrison. And Anthony Joshua got demolished by morbidly obese Mexican who's body is far worst than Foremans, and didn't have anywhere near the skill or power that Foreman had. And then spent the entire rematch running from a guy who didn't even train for the fight just to survive and get a decision. George Foreman would've decapitated Andy Ruiz in any era, the '70s, the '90s, or now. This. No rose-tinted spectacles here, the 90s HW scene was a beautiful thing.

This era consist of 4 fighters, then there is big gap to the following pack 'The following pack consist of fighters who are not really that dangerous'. The 90's top 4 where Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe & Mike Tyson. The following pack was by some margin way more dangerous than today's following pack, fighters such as Micheal Moorer, Andrew Golota, David Tua, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Frank Bruno, Oliver McCall, Herbie Hide, Ike Ibeabuchi, Francis Botha 'Then there was a 3rd wave of heavyweights after the second tier that was also dangerous'. Deontay Wilder would of been knocked out in the 90's multiple times, there was just too many heavyweights that where technically Superior to the fighters active today. Even if Wilder avoided the big boys, fighters from that following pack have a high chance of sparking him out 'Wilder does not reign as champion for so long in any other era'. Note: You only have to check video tapes to understand that the 90's heavyweights generally where better technically than today's fighters. Even Fury in my opinion is still a clumsy heavyweight, that cumbersome heavyweight that Haye saw is still inside of him. Tyson Fury is the number 1 heavyweight now, but when it is all said and done 'Joshua may come out on top, purely due to his near psychopathic work ethic'.

90s HW scene was definitely significantly better than todays BUT theres still rose tinted glasses involved, while the modern HW era gets too much criticism. I think Fury would be a consistent top 5ish HW in the 90s, Joshua top 10. Guys like Wilder and Ortiz would find themselves slipping into the top 10 occasionally too. People forget that you had the likes of Jorge Luiz Gonzalez and Michael Bentt making annual top 10 HW lists at times back then. It wasnt a division of Lennoxs and Holyfields.

All these old HWs are overrated. None of them could handle a 280lb Kronk Fury.

Ugh, you Brits and your crazy theories. George Foreman got demolished by Evander Holyfield and Tommy Morrison. And Anthony Joshua got demolished by morbidly obese Mexican who's body is far worst than Foremans, and didn't have anywhere near the skill or power that Foreman had. And then spent the entire rematch running from a guy who didn't even train for the fight just to survive and get a decision. George Foreman would've decapitated Andy Ruiz in any era, the '70s, the '90s, or now. Tyson Fury's the best HW in the world and should've lost to McDermott and got knocked down by a cruiserweight in Steve Cunningham, a guy without any meaningful wins at HW. You guys should stick to sports you know, like Rugby or Cricket. And your favorite hw Mike Tyson was beaten by a journeyman when he was 24 years old. And I am not even a Brit, lol.

I’m a big George Foreman guy. I rooted for him and I still think he would have beaten Tyson even at 40-something. But let’s not pretend George Foreman proves the 1990s was overrated. The 1970s and 1990s are the two deepest eras in heavyweight history and there’s no arguing against that. Plus, this is George Foreman in the 90s besides KOing bums. He was hardly dominant: • Lost almost every round to Evander Holyfield. • Had a razor thin decision win in an absolute war against Alex Stewart. • Lost almost every round to Tommy Morrison. • Lost almost every round to Michael Moorer but landed one lucky punch and won. • Got a razor thin and controversial decision over Axel Schultz. It was so close an immediate rematch was ordered by a world championship sanctioning body. Foreman vacated the title instead of taking the rematch. • Won a split decision over Lou Savarese. • Lost a decision to hand picked Shannon Briggs. (I thought Foreman won big and that it was a bad decision) So let’s not pretend he was something other than an all-time great who got every shot possible and landed one punch in 36 rounds against top 10 guys. I didn`t say he was dominant, I said he was one of top players. He stopped Moorer, the guy that beat Holyfield. Top guys from 90s: Lennox Bowe Mike Holyfield Foreman Mike fought Lennox and Holyfield only. Foreman fought Holyfield only. Bowe fought Holyfield only. Only Holy fought all other guys. Not a deep era at all.

Ali beat the best version of Foreman, the guy that was still player in 90s, when he was nearly 50 years old. He stopped him and made him retire. You realise how great Ali was, compared to guys from 90s?

The 90s was a fantastic era for heavyweight. Foreman was an exceptional fighter, using him as a negative for a one punch KO in a fight he was losing widely is not making the 90s look worse. Heavyweight was an absolutely stacked division. Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, Golota, Moorer, Morrison, Ruddock, Foreman, Bruno, Tua, there are few eras in HW history with so many genuine contenders. You had multiple ATG heavyweight fighters all operating at the same time, and a steady crop of talented contenders that pushed and sometimes beat them. You also had some of the very best fights the division has ever seen. I know people don't like to hear it for whatever reason but it was incredible, and today's HW division has a long way to go before it can compare to the number of great fighters and great fights the 90s gave us.

Fat old Foreman, looking like Kownacki, came out from retirement to beat all club fighters, journeymen and fringe condenders, winning a world title against Moorer. By stoppage. Giving a very tough test to Holyfield. He also got robbed to Briggs in a last fight. I don`t think Joshua or Fury would have any problem against old Foreman. Young prime Foreman from 70s was different animal. So this era is not that bad at all and 90s are overhyped. Compared to which era(s) ?

90s was also the era of steroids and HGH. And for all the steroids and HGH those guys had available to them in endless supply without testing - it was an average era that became great due to hype. Most of them were also on cocaine and cocaine gives added advantage. I'll always pick the 60s/70s and then this era depending on the next 5-10 yrs as my top 3 eras. If the 90s was the era of PEDs what changed to get boxing "clean" now? The UFC brought in USADA to test their athletes but what exactly did boxing do to clean itself up from the 90s?

Fat old Foreman, looking like Kownacki, came out from retirement to beat all club fighters, journeymen and fringe condenders, winning a world title against Moorer. By stoppage. Giving a very tough test to Holyfield. He also got robbed to Briggs in a last fight. I don`t think Joshua or Fury would have any problem against old Foreman. Young prime Foreman from 70s was different animal. So this era is not that bad at all and 90s are overhyped. I think that says more about how good the 70s era was, particularly Ali, it doesnt demean the 2nd best era of heavies, which is the 90s. Foreman is a consensus top 5 heavy of all time. The 2nd version was still a handful...chin, power, smarts. I think this current era are very talented. Parker and Whyte are solid fighters, Ruiz and Ortiz as well, they bring some depth to the division. Wilder is what he is, an extremely dangerous, fast, flawed ko artist. Joshua is a good all round fighter, probably a better chin away from being a truly great fighter. Fury might be great...but I think they are all flawed. Holyfield and Lewis were still a level above these guys as far as skill and ability. Bowe was on par in terms of talent but didnt have the same mental toughness, longevity to stay there.