What heavyweights in history are actually considered ATGs like ALI

I think Jab's right boys. Tunney isn't much of a great heavyweight champion. Yeah, I think you may be right in that I'm conflating his whole career as opposed to just his HW career. He's an ATG fighter, but maybe not as a HW

Wlad, foreman, holyfield, lennox, tyson,maybe marciano, fury im sure will be and Josh maybe depending on what happens

Fury beat Klitschko while he was on a historic run and considered unbeatable. Spin it however you want. Wilder will be in the hall of fame, so that should be considered a great win for Fury. Klitschko’s resume is very comparable to Ali and it’s very clear that Ali isn’t the best heavyweight ever. He’s in the second place discussion along with everyone else behind Joe Louis Klitschko had a much longer and more dominant title reign than Ali. Ali was one of the least dominate fighters to ever be argued as the best ever and I don’t even understand how it’s an argument. There are two fighters from Ali’s own era who arguably were screwed out of decision wins against him and might even be better fighters than him. A third from that same era, who did lose to Ali, has an argument that he ranks higher overall in the all time list. So yes, Ali has bigger names on his resume and that’s the whole argument for him. But he’s clearly just another name behind Joe Louis to be placed somewhere. I also have to ask how you don’t think Gene Tunney is an all-time great? He definitely is. Vlad definitely was not thought of as "unstoppable" in late 2015. Bryant Jennings gave him trouble. Bryant . . . . Jennings. The writing was on the wall. And we don't know that Wilder will be in the Hall of Fame. He's only beaten 1 former champion in Stiverne. That's it. Wilder needs to beat both Fury & Joshua, or stay around long enough to beat the next great HW class to get in the Hall of Fame. Dude, Ali beat 3 of the 10 consensus ATG heavyweights without controversy. Liston, Frazier, and Foreman. His win against Foreman is arguably the greatest win of all-time. He beat 4 Olympic Gold Medalists. Now, I agree that the old mid '70s version of Ali might have gotten some decisions, but so did old Joe Louis against Jersey Joe Walcott. Hell, Tyson Fury's win against John McDermott was seen as so fraudulent that the judges all lost their jobs. And I do agree that Gene Tunney's an ATG. I forgot to put him on the list. My bad.

Fury is very far from an ATG. What makes a truly great fighter has been convoluted over time. I laugh at the mess of a fighter that is Fury. An awkward, overweight mess. Yet his fans think he beats Joe Louis. Incompetent fans cheer for incompetent fighters.

No, Fury ain't anywhere near ATG. His resume is dirt-poor. Maybe beat Joshua, Whyte, and a good young-gun and that'll get him in.

Tyson Fury????? Wilder??? ... AJ?? Those guys are quite a ways away from ATG status right now. At last a guy with common sense and normal thinking. Joshua will need to redeem himself win against fury and defend his titles against at least 3 top contenders to be considered that. Tyson fury will need to beat Joshua and also beat a few of the young guns also and then we can say yeah he is up there. But not yet and if Tyson loses to Joshua there are going to be a lot of fans with egg on there face and looking pretty stupid

Who did Mike Tyson beat to become an ATG? I said they have a long way to go. All three of those guys are still active. Wilder and AJ both have losses. Fury has only 29 fights in his career. Tyson had 37 before his first loss. Who have they beat?? Seriously Klitschko was 39 years old when he fought Fury. Let's see how their careers play out before comparing them to Mike Tyson.

Marciano Joe Louis George Foreman Evander Holyfield Mike Tyson Lennox Lewis Wlad Fury Joe Frazier

In my opinion all-time great means top 10 all-time in your weight-class. So, all-time greats are guys who could credibly be considered all-time top 10. For heavyweights that's Ali Louis Lennox Holmes Marciano Holyfield Klitchko Liston Frazier Foreman Dempsey Jack Johnson Virtually any list of top 10 HW's all-time will have combination of these guys on there. They are the consensus all-time greats. No one fighting right now has a shot to supplant any of the guys on this list. Tyson Fury is already an all time great. He’s one of five boxers in history to win the lineal heavyweight championship more than once. He also won his first title from Wladimir Klitschko, who’s arguably the greatest heavyweight of all time (Joe Louis is the best heavyweight ever but Klitschko’s resume is as good as anyone outside of Louis.) So if Joshua defeats Fury, which I don’t expect, Joshua is an all time great too. :lol1: Tyson Fury has 2 notable wins his entire career. A 40 year old Klitschko. Deontay Wilder, who may be an all-time puncher, is no where near all-time great. Nobody else on his resume is even good, much less great. And there's no way Klitschko's resume is as good as Ali's that has 4 Olympic gold medalists on it and 3 all-time great HW either in their prime or near it and a ton of Hall of Famers like Norton, Patterson, and Moore.

Lots of heavyweights are ATGs. Most of the great champions throughout history have at least some case for being an ATG across all divisions, and some are indisputable. Fury and Joshua are pretty close to heavyweight ATG status if one beats the other, and if they pick up a few more key wins, they can easily crack ATG status across all divisions.

So all heavyweights from the past are getting a pass for being stopped by underdogs, but you guys say Joshua can`t be ATG because Ruiz beat him.

Who did Mike Tyson beat to become an ATG? Depends what criteria you use to determine if he's worthy. In his prime he had great hand speed, power footwork, could get inside and deliver great body head combinations. He was the youngest boxer to ever win a heavyweight title. He was a wrecking machine. However he lost against other champions after he started to have marital problems and he went downhill. The guy before the decline was an ATG. I can see your point though.

Who did Tyson beat? At least Bowe beat Holyfield twice. Well you do got a point there I guess I can’t call either an ATG

Asking this because we need to set up a measuring stick to be able to justifiably add a heavyweight of this era. Personally I don’t see calling Fury ATG if he decides to retire after beating Joshua or vice versa it would be tough to call AJ an ATG even if he beats Fury. - -We know where U keep U measure stick . Quiet man Ruiz whooped Field a new one and had Lewis pay him millions so he don't have to fight him and they would've whooped Ali too.

Do you consider Mike Tyson and Bowe as ATGs? If so, then Fury and Josh are lock to be ATGs. Both already have better resumes than Bowe. And they just need undisputed to surpass Mike Tyson, Vitali and Wlad. Not Really but Tyson kind of

Exactly! Because soon they will try to say someone’s an ATG and gotta be ready to debunk fake news Tyson Fury????? Wilder??? ... AJ?? Those guys are quite a ways away from ATG status right now.

Fury lost 1 round to Wlad Fury lost 2 rounds to Chisora, stopped him in rematch Fury Lost 3 rounds to Wilder, stopped him in rematch Fury underdog going into all them fights excluding rematches. He is a beast. Fought in 6 different countries Won all his belts on away soil & has held every major belt. AJ will be a walk in the park if Eddie ever signs that fight. I think so too. Easy fight

ATG by whom? Us or the powers that be who make lists. Off the top of my head. Lennox Lewis Tyson Ali Foreman Joe Louis Marciano Sullivan Dempsey Jack Johnson. Exactly! Because soon they will try to say someone’s an ATG and gotta be ready to debunk fake news

Every lineal champion until the three/four belt era with the exception of Primo Carnera and Leon Spinks. The three/four belt era champions who are all time greats Larry Holmes, Michael Spinks, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, Michael Moorer, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko and Wladimir Klitschko. There are probably a few other names that should be included in this list, like Ken Norton for instance. How does Fury’s resume stack up vs some of these boxers? ATG I think is overboard

ATG by whom? Us or the powers that be who make lists. Off the top of my head. Lennox Lewis Tyson Ali Foreman Joe Louis Marciano Sullivan Dempsey Jack Johnson.