Yeah, cuz I was honest about your sister giving better head than you do.
1. I don’t have a sister.
2. What a weak ass comeback.😂😂
Get a life you sad c***...
Today? Anyone not named Joshua, Fury, Whyte.
He has a trash resume.
parker
usyk
joe joyce
hrgovic
dubois
yoka
ruiz
maybe even ajagba
they'd all beat him.
LOL, when did you EVER see a better version of Ali than the one who met Frazier in the FOTC!?
What was little Joe Frazier better at than Wilder? Getting rattled? Struggling to shift out of second gear?
You really think Bonavena drops Wilder!? You really think Quarry or Ali rattles Wilder!? You really think Wilder needs tobthrow 5,000 punches to stop Chuvalo or Mathis? You think Wilder runs straight into Foreman's uppercits!?
Foreman lost to Ali because he couldn't go head-hunting. Ali is 4" shorter and 15 lbs. Lighten than Wilder. Watch the fight. Watch the breakdowns. Ali was splitting his praying mantis guard with his jab, and coming overtop with his right hand... Featherfisted Ali put away Foreman faster and more convinvingly than he did litttle Karl Mittleberger. Because Foreman didn't know what to do when his opponent wasn't a smaller man he could spin around.
Why do you think Sandy Saddler never fought fellow Lightweights and preyed on Featherweights? Because that style's dependent on opponents being smaller and less physically gifted. That's not Wilder.
You see what Lyle did to him? Beyonce hits way harder than that. You see how Young's jab qnd beard were too much for him? He wasn't old. He was exposed. He came back and succeeded... with a padded career.
Douglas is a far better boxer than Wilder. But so is Ortiz. And so is Fury. If he can catch Fury. He can catch Douglas.
Tyson struggled with Tucker and Bruno. They couldn't even carry Wilder's jockstrap.
Tyson runs a great chance of stepping inro one of Wilder's shots.
Lewis didn't just lose to Rahman and McAll who definitely aren't on Wilder's level. He also got hustled by Mercer and Holyfield. He was rocked by Vitali.
Seriously, the dudes gonna punk at the mention of Wilder
Just about any version of Ali was better then the one in FOTC. That was the third fight between Ali and Frazier, when they were both considerable past it. The best version of Ali was the prior to the ban.
Joe Frazier struggled more at getting out of second gear and being rattled more then Wilder? You are completely insane! How often has Wilder been outboxed now before landing a knock out blow? The guy couldn't even get out of 1st!
Frazier was the undisputed and lineal champion. He had to fight the BEST. Of course he's going to get knocked down at times and get rattled. Wilder on the other hand refused to fight the best. When he became champion he ducked Klitschko. Had zero interest in Parker and could never get the fight signed against Joshua. Come back to me when Wilder actually fights the heat before trying to diminish Joe when holding and defending the lineal and undisputed titles.
You're wrong about Foreman. Everyone one of his loses were against guys smaller then him and that's for a reason. He struggles against guys who can move, those that were bigger were used as punching bags. Wilder was pummelled by a guy who he repeatedly called feather fisted, a guy who wasn't even Known to be a puncher!
Foreman came back at 50 and was smacking the young generation around. Wilder in his prime was being bested by a 50 year old man and a guy who was a former football player! Never mind the fact he could never unify, capture the lineal title or anything. The joke is on you.
He can catch Douglas but one shot is not going to put him away and he's not going to land one before Douglas does and Douglas has more power then Fury.
Tyson struggled with Tucker and Bruno? What world are you in?! Tucker ran and Tyson won every round! Bruno was decimated twice and the fight wasn't even competitive! Both fighters who had solid fights with Lennox Lewis.
Tyson caught numerous shots from Lennox and didn't go down. Wilder's punches will be like pillows for Tyson.
Rahman and McCal were legit champions which is more then I could say for Wilder. Mercer fight was good, Mercer being an Olympic gold medalist. He would shatter Wilder if they ever met. Holyfield would maul him. Vitali gave him a solid fight but I wonder why Wilder never tried to fight him, even at 40 years old he showed zero desire.
Let this sink in, you can say whatever you want and so can I. But let's talk cold hard facts:
1. Ali, Foreman, Lewis and Tyson all held the undisputed and lineal titles.
2. The all had to defend those titles from the best.
3. All of them had stopped a world champion before.
4. Wilder has done NONE of those.
We're talking about Ali, Lewis, Foreman and Tyson, right?
Yes.
Ali lost to Frazier, not in his prime but close to it but Joe Feazier was far superior to Wilder.
Foreman lost in his Prime to Ali.
Tyson lost to Douglas in his prime, that Douglas I would bet would beat down Wilder. He lost to Holyfield quite a bit past it but Holyfield was one of the greats.
Lewis lost to McCall, the man with quite possibly the greatest chin ever, would fold Wilder and Hasim Rahman which would be a who lands first type of fight, id favour Rahman.
Great technical fighter!?
How so?
If he won the title 3 times, I guess that means he lost it, too?
Maybe watch Ali first, before criticizing Wilder.
Watch his fights with Chuvalo. His fight woth Young. With Shavers. With Bugner. With Williams. With Young.
Ali looks great against smaller men, and he's exceptionally fast and strong. But he's clearly a very limited fighter who struggled with opponents much inferior to Wilder.
Only a moron would dispute that.
Tell ya what sport, you go ahead and devalue Ali while declaring Wilder is in his league or better. I'll have boxing conversations with someone who actually knows boxing.
End of their careers!?!?
Now you're just making **** up!
Wilder beat fighters who crashm on previous generations' contenders.
Ortiz and Brezeale would be considered gods in previous generations. Maybe even be champs themselves.
Which fights did they lose against fighters that were lesser then Wilder at a point that wasn't at the end of their careers?
Lol you can't be serious, fighters like Ortiz and Brezeale wouldnt come near a title in those eras.
Theoretically he can beat any of them if they don't focus on avoiding the right hand while implementing their gameplan.
Most of the top 10 boxers right now can outbox Wilder easily, but that has always been the case. It is the same scenario as before. Don't let him measure you and don't get hit with the right hand too many times and you are good to go.
Easier said then done like anything else.
I mean, none of them had the knock out power Wilder has. They all got beat by lesser men.
Have you even seen any of these guys fight?
Do you always stick your nose into conversations you know nothing about?
Those fights they lost were at the end of their careers.
Who exactly has Wilder stopped to that's noteworthy?
All 4 of those fights have stopped multiple world champions during their careers. Guess how many world champions Deontay Wilder has stopped? ZERO.
See Below.
Apparently he only decked him. No KO. Wilder was still green.
SUBZER0ED
No. But the success he's had has been incredible.
Frankly people are too hard on Heavyweights to begin with. I know this from years wrestling and assistant coaching football.
Look at Ali he's been called "The Greatest" - mostly by himself and casuals who wanna show how woke they are. But he tops most Heavyweight top 10 lists. Compare him to his contemporaries and he looks like dog shyte: Duran, Jofre, Harada, Napoles, Monzon, Canto, Griffith, the list goes on and on... There were many fighters from the 60's and 70's much better than he was. But that's how the Heavyweight division has always worked: imperfect fighters can do exceptionally well because physical ability compensates for skill. (Grizzly bears don't train Brazilian Jujitsu).
I hate to keep ranting on Ali, but even in his own division he wasn't always the best, but he was the best more often than not. Wilder would have crushed the guys Ali fought.
Ali was a great technical boxer with pop. He's considered the greatest because he's the first HW to claim the championship title three times. He fought epic battles against the top fighters in the sport. Despite your opinion of him, he's universally recognized as one of the greatest HW boxers of all time. Wilder's resume is laughable, especially compared to Ali's. To compare Wilder's obvious lack of skill to your imagined Ali's lack of skill is ridiculous.
So you admit you have no idea what you're talking about, and have no intention of being taken seriously; you're just a desperate attention whore.
Sounds right. I'll agree to that. Glad we could come to a mutual understanding.
I have no idea what are you talking about. You tried to make some statement, I just replied.
I am desperate attention whore because I replied to you? You go to ignore list right now.
Honest question which of these men are better than Wilder:
Schmeling (KO'd Louis)
Galento & Braddock (dropped Louis)
Walcott (KO'd Charles)
Satterfield (KO'd Charles)
Moore (Dropped Marciano)
Ingo (won Hw title in 25 fights, KO'd mini-Tyson in 1 Round)
Whitehurst (broke listons jaw)
Cooper (dropped Ali)
Bonavena (dropped Frazier)
Wepner & Shavers (dropped Ali)
Lyle (dropped Foreman)
Shavers (damn near killed Holmes)
Douglas (KO'd Tyson)
Bowe (KO'd Holyfield)
Rahman and McCall (KO'd Lewis)
Sanders and Brewster ( KO'd young Wlad)
There are other names to be slipped in there.
The point is, casuals are blinded by myth. They can't differentiate fact from fiction. It's true there have been many great champions. It's true that Wilder is a very limited fighter whose opposition won't be making it into the HOF. But if the belt were won by skill and legacy alone, why didn't they just make Eder Jofre Champion for life?
Because it's fighting: it's inherently unpredictable. Skills and experience are more a contingency plan than a path to success. Odds and probabilities aren't destiny. And physical prowess matters; sometimes far more than skill.
So you say Wilder is in the same class as Lyle, Shaves. Or Rahman, McCall.
I have no problem with that. So you say Wilder is B level at best.
So you admit you've got no clue what you're talking about.
LMAO all you got is you can name some chumps who got dropped by lesser chumps. Chumps who'd never be put in front of Wilder today.
Come back when you can make a proper account of yourself.
How did I say that? Because I said weather I've boxed or not is irrelevant? I actually have boxed but my point is that is totally irrelevant. You need to actually go to school to learn about logic and what a fallacy is before you come and try to debate.
So you're calling Ali, Foreman, Tyson and Lewis chumps? What exactly has Wilder accomished that would tell you he can hang in the ring with them in their primes?
Right now I would give him a chance against anybody not named Tyson Fury.
Joshua, Ruiz, Parker, Whyte are 50 -50 fights.
After Fury finishes him again, Wilder will become a punching bag and stepping stone for new young fighters.
A punching bag with a labs mine attached.
First guy( Ex. Fury) that thinks Wilder is a punching bag will be the first to get his head took off.
Right now I would give him a chance against anybody not named Tyson Fury.
Joshua, Ruiz, Parker, Whyte are 50 -50 fights.
After Fury finishes him again, Wilder will become a punching bag and stepping stone for new young fighters.
But this ain't everyone. Is it little man? Its you and me. No one is here to save you. You opened your mouth and I'm putting whatever the fook I want into it. And you're gonna swallow. "Everyone" ain't gonna save you.
Show me the fighter, not named Fury, who's beaten anyone as good as Wilder. Show me the fighter who hasn't lost to someone worse than Wilder.
You don't Box. You've never been in a fight. You never played college sports. This over your head. So either bow out or bend over.
You ain't but doing sheet.
Regardless of weather I boxed or not is an irrelevant. That's an ad-hominem fallacy. But since we're on that topic, please do show these amazing fights that you've been in? Got some footage?
You just tried comparing Deontay Wilder to Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis and said a fight against them would be competitive. Those 4 fighters are all former undisputed and lineal heavyweight champions. What has Deontay Wilder done except get pummelled by the one credible opponent he fought to be compared to 4 former lineal champions, the same title that Tyson Fury so proudly wears. Deontay Wilder has sat there his whole life being fed nobodies, he picked up a title from a guy who won it in an eliminator after the previous champion retired from boxing. Then he went onto to beat a bunch of nobodies and avoided Wladamir Klitschko at all costs. This is te guy your comparing to 4 former undisputed and lineal heavyweight champions:
Wlad and Ruiz both found Joshua's chin.
Joshua wanted no part of Wilder or Fury.
Wilder wanted no part of Wlad. Some sources say he was KTFO in sparring by Wald. Not sure if that has ever been proven or debunked.