2017 Andre Ward vs Bivol and Beterbiev who wins and why

I think Bivol beats him and Beterbiev is a toss up. Real question: does Bivol get the decision? Because Kovalev won the 1st fight w/ Ward. Best I could do was 6-6 for Ward and the KD won it IMO... Ward erased all doubt in the rematch tho

didnt tyson lose to henry tillman in the ams? twice at that....amatuer dont mean anything,2 different styles of combat and scoring Well to be fair they were basically kids back then whereas Sergey and Artur were full grown men. Beterbiev fought with a pro style in the amateurs too, knocked a lot of people out. He's kinda like Oleksandr Khyzhniak, very pro oriented style that worked in the amateurs too. Look up Khyzhniak by the way, best prospect in the ams by far. Hasn't lost in years.

Kovalev was absolutely destroyed by Beterbiev more than once in the amateurs and he considered him to be the bane of his existence there. Kovalev didn't want to fight him and I don't know many people who'd have picked him to beat Beterbiev at that stage. didnt tyson lose to henry tillman in the ams? twice at that....amatuer dont mean anything,2 different styles of combat and scoring

Andre Ward is too good

Those are better match ups for Ward then Kovalev. Kovalev's long jab and boxing skills gave Ward more problems stylistically then Bivol or Beterbiev could. Ward too tricky and skillful for both, just superior IQ and finds a way to win.

The same Kovalev who got knocked out by Eleider and almost knocked out by Yarde? Kovalev had never been seriously hurt until he fought ward You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see since his left is used often he will throw Jabs from too close Makes you vulnerable to slip 2s and and over hand rights Everytime he got hurt its shots like that Once he lost 2 In a row given his age he wasnt the same fighter fighting ward twice after punch resistance Imo ward vs kov was the most competitive fight between 2 clear p4p guys. It took something out of both guys. That's why one retired and the others punch resistance stamina reflexes and legs deteriorated the last 2 years Prime kov even the 2 versions that fought kov with all his confidence power willingness to knockout you out drills those guys Kov was on an absolute tear for like 5 years at the world level. He earned being called the crusher Bivol and beterbiev have only fought 3 or less top ten guys

If he gets another title shot , it’ll be cause someone wants his name on their mantle like Canelo did Nothing more , nothing less Agreed he's nothing more than a name to add to the resumé.

He'll have another title fight I reckon, get blitzed, then call it a day. Of course he has that fight with Sullivan Barrera organised at a 180lbs catch-weight, a fight he could very well lose before he even gets that shot. If he gets another title shot , it’ll be cause someone wants his name on their mantle like Canelo did Nothing more , nothing less

If he sticks around it’ll be cause he’s got lawyer fees He’ll be rendered to gatekeeper although a better than average one He'll have another title fight I reckon, get blitzed, then call it a day. Of course he has that fight with Sullivan Barrera organised at a 180lbs catch-weight, a fight he could very well lose before he even gets that shot.

Oh yeah Kov showed in the Yarde fight that he was both still a class above being shot to bits but definitely done at the elite level. If he sticks around it’ll be cause he’s got lawyer fees He’ll be rendered to gatekeeper although a better than average one

I think that was exactly it Also you gotta remember he was the WBC mando to Stevenson but was always taking step aside money So maybe fame got to him , if you wanna call it fame lol But I also believe Kovi is done , that was his second wind and that’s it , no matter what Buddy says Cool , just seemed like you were getting overheated Oh yeah Kov showed in the Yarde fight that he was both still a class above being shot to bits but definitely done at the elite level.

Weird he'd have a half asses training camp but I guess Kov appeared more than shot to him having gone down so easily to his one solid attack in their first fight. I think that was exactly it Also you gotta remember he was the WBC mando to Stevenson but was always taking step aside money So maybe fame got to him , if you wanna call it fame lol But I also believe Kovi is done , that was his second wind and that’s it , no matter what Buddy says nobody got worked up imo... the proven Ward, beats the unproven Bivol/Beterbiev... that is all there is nothing to indicate otherwise Cool , just seemed like you were getting overheated

Kovalev was absolutely destroyed by Beterbiev more than once in the amateurs and he considered him to be the bane of his existence there. Kovalev didn't want to fight him and I don't know many people who'd have picked him to beat Beterbiev at that stage. what a load of e-shlt :lol1:

Ward wins. Kovalev was better than both those guy's in 2017... And up until the Canelo fight, I would've still picked Kovalev over either one. not sure I would dump money on those guys to beat Kovalev even now... I likely only favor Beterbiev, but not enough to put money on it we are comparing guys with about a dozen fights, to a guy who is very close to being a genuine great nobody could pick either of those guys over Ward with any real degree of confidence... these guys are seeing what they want to see

It is called fantasy matchups Don’t see why you getting all worked up That’s all it is , fantasy nobody got worked up imo... the proven Ward, beats the unproven Bivol/Beterbiev... that is all there is nothing to indicate otherwise

Eleider was living large L’ost focus and figured he’d knock him out again I know his training camp for that fight was half fast Weird he'd have a half asses training camp but I guess Kov appeared more than shot to him having gone down so easily to his one solid attack in their first fight.

Shawn Porter beat Usyk in the amateurs, that's not really saying how a professional fight would go. Secondly, Beterbiev turned down a mandatory shot at Kovalev: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/99756100 Artur Beterbiev turns down fight with Sergey Kovalev, looks to make fight next year He was mandatory to fight for Kovalev's belt when he was fighting Ward who then vacated and retired to avoid it. If he wanted to wait to fight the winner he'd have gotten way more credit and money way earlier in his career so I get the decision.

Shawn Porter beat Usyk in the amateurs, that's not really saying how a professional fight would go. Secondly, Beterbiev turned down a mandatory shot at Kovalev: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/99756100 Artur Beterbiev turns down fight with Sergey Kovalev, looks to make fight next year Yes , your absolutely right He refused that fight Saw interview where he made it clear that there was nothing to gain from it , but would of jumped on a fight with Ward

Yeah, the fact no one mentions Zurdo in a positive light anymore kinda indicates where his popularity and credibility are going. To be fair I think Eleider was totally taken off guard by Kov's change in tactics. Eleider was living large L’ost focus and figured he’d knock him out again I know his training camp for that fight was half fast

Zurdo is just Mia in every sense imo Alvarez has to box , that’s how he gets those sweet ko’s When he doesn’t , as the Kovi rematch , we all see what happens Yeah, the fact no one mentions Zurdo in a positive light anymore kinda indicates where his popularity and credibility are going. To be fair I think Eleider was totally taken off guard by Kov's change in tactics.