Seious Question: When do you think floyd jr. Started using IV?

He had a long gap between the Shane Mosley fight and the Victor Ortiz fight. He then looked noticeably different physique wise, especially the size of his head. I think as he was hitting his mid to late 30’s he looked for an edge to keep the checks coming in.

I Agree to all that u said. Respect you for that buddy. Good luck in these hard times and love Filipino people. You are kind souls.

LOL Fact, Pac never tested dirty EVER. Fact Floyd uses Xylocaine for his hands HENCE WHY HE ONLY FIGHTS IN VEGAS (only state that allows numbing agents for your hands pre and post fight). Fact Floyd had to get a POST FIGHT TUE for an IV (why would someone need an IV post fight? Wait when they are blood doping that's why, ala Lance Armstrong). the bold is correct, Pac refused random blood tests for YEARS ! there is only one reason why a fighter would refuse random blood tests FACT: Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests.... FACT: random blood tests are completely harmless FACT: there is ONLY one reason to avoid random blood tests FACT: in the amateurs, if you avoid/obstruct a drug test, you..... * are immediately judged guilty * you are stripped * you are banned

immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said Pac looked shopworn and had been in too many wars..... go watch the after-fight comments Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny was rejuvenated/revitalized, and looked like a completely different fighter and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you..... Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf? you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem suspicious to you Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests loooool :lol1: FACT: Pac was dirty FACT: they tested Mayweather... and he was clean :D LOL Fact, Pac never tested dirty EVER. Fact Floyd uses Xylocaine for his hands HENCE WHY HE ONLY FIGHTS IN VEGAS (only state that allows numbing agents for your hands pre and post fight). Fact Floyd had to get a POST FIGHT TUE for an IV (why would someone need an IV post fight? Wait when they are blood doping that's why, ala Lance Armstrong).

We all know that floyd was caught using illegal IV and got a free pass. Do u think that floyd has been injecting himself with illegal IV'S in his previous fights? IMHO he's been using IV long time ago that's why he got so many red flags (abnormal TE ratio, 3x failed test that sweep under the rags, etc.) BTW armstrong pass all his test with flying colors with the use of IV. When he started using Xylo for his hands, its the same reason why he changed up his style also.

- -Yup, in part! That he had teenaged grrl testosterone levels and the TUE was unauthorized followed by his stable of fighters busted on conventional testing, well, ya think he shoulda been fighting in the women's division all along? Yup! immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said Pac looked shopworn and had been in too many wars..... go watch the after-fight comments Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny was rejuvenated/revitalized, and looked like a completely different fighter and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you..... Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf? you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem suspicious to you Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests loooool :lol1: FACT: Pac was dirty FACT: they tested Mayweather... and he was clean :D

Note to all. Floyd is a regular user of a xylocaine and inject it in his hands that already he has an advantage before the fight and still he's not contented with that advantage he used IV to inject his body gain another advantage. That's what floyd calll a fair fight. I can only imagine what you look like man... It's gotta be scary. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/05/03/sports/20150503boxing-slide-D48V/20150503boxing-slide-D48V-superJumbo.jpg https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11043237.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200b/Manny-Pacquiao-v-Floyd-Mayweather-Jr.jpg https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/aptopix-mayweather-pa_wong.jpg https://media.giphy.com/media/HbfCqR7d0xs88/giphy.gif

The xylocaine was already a given for floyd and he's a regular user to that kind of PEDS but the IV would probably around when he came back to his 1st retirement against jmm. Give it a rest, Floyd beat your love interest and beat him easily.

- -We get U logic impaired! BALCO Juan hired BALCO Memo specifically to pass PED testing. U and they would be ashamed but for U being shameless! Was he caught yes or no? Where is your evidence of that claim? Show me evidence or stfu. Pacfans wasnt even bringing that up as much but moreso the shady things surrounding his new body. Him with acne and his 2nd prime body. Pac and the blood testing issue was shady.... No facts, no evidence just suspicions. Pac head getting bigger and having a 2nd prime. No facts just suspicion. So basically depending on what side u on, dudes picking and choosing which non fact suspicions are legit are not. My point is..... I dont trust anyone of them, cuz at the end of the day nonone was caught. Just suspicions

These same guys love yo say Marquez was juiced, who never was caught, but use the same logic to defend Manny? If Marquez was a cheat with no failed test just suspicions, but Manny had his own suspicions..... Pac-fans and Canelo fans need to keep same energy and quit acting like hypocrites - -We get U logic impaired! BALCO Juan hired BALCO Memo specifically to pass PED testing. U and they would be ashamed but for U being shameless!

you just want to see or believed something that isn't their, try harder again. Lol. i'm talking about floyd mayweather not pacquiao

I think he started using around the Marquez fight. Pretty sure he was clean before that however and for most of his career. No point in him bringing unwanted attention for drug testing if he was a cheat all along. But, can you really blame him considering how dirty the division was? I Agree to all that u said.

I think maybe since the second maidana fight. Also he already injected that thing on his hands for quite a while The xylocaine was already a given for floyd and he's a regular user to that kind of PEDS but the IV would probably around when he came back to his 1st retirement against jmm.

Around the same time as he started using the peds he was masking with the iv.

These same guys love yo say Marquez was juiced, who never was caught, but use the same logic to defend Manny? If Marquez was a cheat with no failed test just suspicions, but Manny had his own suspicions..... Pac-fans and Canelo fans need to keep same energy and quit acting like hypocrites exaaactly:chairshot

the butthurt in this forum is real :bottle::bottle::bottle: its been almost 5 years since mayweather beat your daddy like most people felt he would anyway outside of Manny fanatics and the butthurt keep fighting the good fight....." tak to meh pamater BROB ADrum, and Im scared of needles" never happened though :439: if you think floyd was juiced fine, apply the same logic to your hero if anyone was it was the former flyweight who skipped 115 and 118 knocking guys out from 122-147 without losing any speed or stamina....not the feather fisted guy who ko ratio dipped with every move up in weight These same guys love yo say Marquez was juiced, who never was caught, but use the same logic to defend Manny? If Marquez was a cheat with no failed test just suspicions, but Manny had his own suspicions..... Pac-fans and Canelo fans need to keep same energy and quit acting like hypocrites

Note to all. Floyd is a regular user of a xylocaine and inject it in his hands that already he has an advantage before the fight and still he's not contented with that advantage he used IV to inject his body gain another advantage. That's what floyd calll a fair fight.

im a boxing fan.....seems to me, mayweather's biggest fans are his critics and haters...i like both manny and Mayweather....one is more exciting to watch the other i learned more from watching. too eaches own....one of them is retired the other on his way...why couldnt people just enjoy we had two all time greats in the same era without beefing like school girls on this forum I also like both pac and mayweather but one of them had a multiple red flags of PEDS. If floyd don't have a history of abnormal TE ratio that can only happen if u r using PEDS a leak news that he got testes positive 3x that sweep under the carpet and the most famous when he got caught injecting himself with an IV if all of these didn't happen that i will be in doubt that floyd was using PEDS but sorry with all the RED FLAGS it's impossible to believed that floyd is a clean athlete..

When he moved up to welter weight , he was defiantly juiced when he fought Oscar. Take a look at his jaw bone when he was at 130,135 it was normal today it protrudes like them dudes who are born with High Testosterone or people who abuse HGH. Sorry folks but your jaw bone doesn't start growing after adulthood unless your on HGH You just want to see or believed something that isn't their, try harder again. Lol.

how can i own up to anything i didnt do lol my point is, dont accuse one and not the other when Pacquaio seems to be th more suspect yet beloved athlete Lol. He's suspect because he's just so much better than floyd in the ring but other than that u have nothing to be suspect from pac.