Was it Hopkins? 1,2, headbutt, clinch, repeat?
Or was it Roy with those fast hands?
Was it toney?... Body head, head body, just like Trinidad.
Juan Diaz? 20 or so unanswered punches vs Billy the kid.
Vitali Klitschko? Roy said "you just don't see a big guy throw punches like that"
Was it Oscars smell for blood? Whenever he had an opponent hurt he hit those pitty Pat hands as fast as he could? He really had a great finishing touch, a killer instinct.
Or speaking of one, twos is it Wilder? Was it Lewis?
Your thoughts?
Was it Hopkins? 1,2, headbutt, clinch, repeat?
Or was it Roy with those fast hands?
Was it toney?... Body head, head body, just like Trinidad.
Juan Diaz? 20 or so unanswered punches vs Billy the kid.
Vitali Klitschko? Roy said "you just don't see a big guy throw punches like that"
Was it Oscars smell for blood? Whenever he had an opponent hurt he hit those pitty Pat hands as fast as he could? He really had a great finishing touch, a killer instinct.
Or speaking of one, twos is it Wilder? Was it Lewis?
Your thoughts?
The Pac-Man!
Lightweight Mosley was something else. He didn’t rely so much one or two shots like he did at higher weights. You never knew what sort of combination was coming next.
How could I have not mentioned lightweight mosely he was special. I wish fought mayweather at lightweight , not so sure floyd would have won it then . Mosely was a beast and as fluid and versatile in combination as any man who strapped a pair of gloves on .
Pacman doesnt belong on this thread. There is a difference between being quick fisted and being able to throw combinations.
Pac’s game consists of element of surprise with his 1-2 combos but it doesnt really go beyond that.
When he does throw multiple shots, he does it on the forward move while being off balanced. Throwing left right , left right, left right is not what you call a creative combo puncher.
What gave anybody the idea that Pacman is some creative combination puncher lol.
Well I dont think pac is one of the MOST creative combination punchers , he throws great combinations and is more cerebrial in combo than the eye gives off . Plus when pac man utilized his right hook at his peak ( he seemed to stop utilizing it as often after a certain point ) with roach his combos were def creative he was a phenom . But generally speaking he can be run and punching sometimes throwing basic 1-2's so I see what you are getting at , but he still utilized alot more than that . I think pac is kind of sloppy aesthetically but when when u get into the mechanics he was creative as well. It just wasnt catchy to the eye if that makes sense ??
I dont put GRJ here. He is an example of what just punchin in bunches mean without creativity. That is why Lomachenko schooled him. GRJ was more of a shoe shiner, same 4-5 punch combination and never showed variety.
Ya i totally was just thinking good combination punchers , and didnt even read into creative . I agree with your post here 100% I kind of dove into the thread without thinking and didnt read all the posts lol . I'd go with gonzalez out of the other fighters I listed in that case . Becuase hes active and doesnt get enough respect these days imo . Mike tysons right hook to the body right uppercut upstairs was a thing of beauty, very creative .
Out of active fighters I like gary Russell Jr altho his combination punching wasnt what it usually is in his last fight , prolly due to his opponents height. But when he was coming up I really expected more from him , I thought he reminded me of roy jones a bit , unfortunately hes been sitting on the shelf and his career has been a bit of a disappointment . Also off the top of my head I have to mention marquez , Gonzalez , both sugar Ray's
Manny Pacqauio was ether ATTACKING or DEFENDING 'He was like one of the characters from Street fighter the classic game for the Super Ninetindo. Pacqauio was not sophisticated enough to attack, defend and make decisions at high speeds when on the offensive 'If this was the case he would not of been sparked out badly by Marquez, ultimately? Pacqauio was caught badly, because he was just wading forward on the offensive mindlessly with ZERO CREATIVITY. There is no video footage that exist of Mike Tyson being caught mindlessly while on the offensive, ether his offense had already disarmed his opponents or? His speed of decision making ability/defense was just too sophisticated 'In all of his defeats he had to have the fight beaten completely out of him' but the sophisticated violence was always there etc
In that short acute video I showed of Mike Tyson, at break neck speed he avoided a punch, smacked to the body, moved up top denoted a left hook, THREW A DUMMY IN A NANO second 'Bruno Instinctively probably thought? Here is a right hand coming my way but NO? BANG another left hook was denoted on Bruno 'At this point most fighters go ballistic, their reptilian mind takes over, that never happened with Mike Tyson'
Manny Pacqauio had the ability to throw plenty of punches, but he was not that sophisticated 'Pacqauio was always open to being banged out badly, and he was finally by a Sophisticated violent fighter in Juan Manuel Marquez.
Note: You have just basically explained what I have been saying, Pacqauio ether jumps in or jumps out 'On the attack or on the defense' He has never really shown the ability to attack, defend and make decisions at high speed simultaneously.
Thats because I agree with you on Manny. I just don’t see Mike as sophisticated and adaptive a puncher as you do.
I’m a fan of Mike like most people. He was great at combos. But I think that was more due to his speed and power in both hands as opposed to calculations. His right to the body right uppercut was his most unique and impressive shot. The fact that it was a rare move and so effective for him could earn the term “sophisticated” for sure. But I’ve seen all of Mikes fights many times, and to me it honestly looks like he just mostly cycles through his combos more than anything else. He’s not a designed counter puncher. Mike slams into people with his one-twos then gets the ref to separate. He’s never really in that pocket breaking a guy down. That’s where he can eat shots himself, like vs Evander, Douglas, Lewis, Ruddock, even Botha. I think Manny is much the same. He jumps in and throws his favourite combos and gets out. Everyone knows his best move, but he’s great at it. He doesn’t sit in the pocket and break a guy down either. Course manny is also dangerous on the back foot as he was in the hatton fight. Both are great combo throwers, the best even. But I think they are more similar than different. Both fast and powerful, and send their best stuff repeatedly, instead of a vast variety based on their opponents. Just my two cents.
Just watched "bleed for this" Vinnie paz movie. Kevin Rooney was yelling numbers for every punch. I heard him call out " land a 5,6" talk about Morse code type shyt!
Recent memory? I would say Chocolatito, JMM and Humberto Soto. They could throw beautiful combos, but JMM was special as he could do it while actually being under fire.
When you have an opponent hurt or dude is just straight up scared of you, it’s easy to land combos. You can do whatever you want at that point.
I dont remember the fight too well but I just remember Cotto running around the ring like a cowering stooge late in the fight. Pac owned him and did whatevers.
A true combination puncher can throw combos while countering too..
also go and watch pac vs margarito! that boy threw some beautiful combos against marg... 4-5-6 punches.. not sure why you're saying pac is not a combo puncher.
When you have an opponent hurt or dude is just straight up scared of you, it’s easy to land combos. You can do whatever you want at that point.
I dont remember the fight too well but I just remember Cotto running around the ring like a cowering stooge late in the fight. Pac owned him and did whatevers.
A true combination puncher can throw combos while countering too..
the bolded is why you need to go refresh your memory... i dont recall pac stumbling forward throwing his 1-2, 1-2 against cotto..
the knockdown in the 4th was from a 2 punch combo while countering cotto coming off the ropes.
watch the cotto fight.
When you have an opponent hurt or dude is just straight up scared of you, it’s easy to land combos. You can do whatever you want at that point.
I dont remember the fight too well but I just remember Cotto running around the ring like a cowering stooge late in the fight. Pac owned him and did whatevers.
A true combination puncher can throw combos while countering too..
Pacman doesnt belong on this thread. There is a difference between being quick fisted and being able to throw combinations.
Pac’s game consists of element of surprise with his 1-2 combos but it doesnt really go beyond that.
When he does throw multiple shots, he does it on the forward move while being off balanced. Throwing left right , left right, left right is not what you call a creative combo puncher.
What gave anybody the idea that Pacman is some creative combination puncher lol.
watch the cotto fight.
Marquez
dude has every punch in the book... and then some
many were added to the book, by him
everyone knows that he is one of the best counter-punchers you will ever see... but he is also one of the best combination punchers you will ever see
I liked Barrera and Morales better for that. Marquez used to sit back waiting to counter. The other two forced the action.
Ricardo Lopez.. his combos are swift, accurate, and extremely lethal. His punch placement, timing, and form are perfect.
I liked the combo Terry Norris landed on Leonard. I forgot the sequence but i think it started with a jab, followed by a left hook to the body and ended with an uppercut. It was the kind of sht that masters like JameS Toney throws.
This right here.