I understand that boxing is a business too, however I will never root for fights to NOT happen just because an "A-side" doesn't think their opponent deserves a certain amount of money.
If that sort of thing is ok then we shouldn't complain when the top guys beat up on lesser opponents just because they are willing to fight for way less. For that matter Canelo could just offer local pros whatever it costs to pay their rent for the year. That's a lot cheaper than whatever Billy Joe Saunders is making right? (that's sarcasm of course) What are your thoughts?
My thoughts are that the market has to put the pressure on fighters to fight...the market helped force the Canelo-GGG fight...but not until Canelo had taken his time and exhausted all options.
One upside that the UFC has over boxing is that with one promoter, Dana White is able to make the fights that fans really want to see, when they want to see them.
In our sport...we never know who to blame when a deal doesn't get made...but sometimes it becomes more obvious, and in those times, we can put pressure on the 'ducking' fighter to step up and fight...even then though, it can take forever for a fight to get made, and there can still be disagreement and difference of opinion on who was really ducking who.
Basically...if fans want to pay Canelo $25 million per fight, no matter what...well he can fight whoever he wants...if they will pay him $40 million to fight 2 great guys, and then $20 million to fight everyone else...he still may end up facing everyone else because those fights are less risky and in a cost-benefit analysis, it may be worth it to take the $20 million fights, and then wait on the $40 million fights until they are bigger or less risky.
I want fighters to give us the fights we want, when we want them...those should be the big money fights out there as well, so it should be no issue...I just really dislike when fighters, to use the above example, take the $20 million fights vs the $40 million fights, and deprive the fans of the fights we really want to see.
The only interest I would have is the truthful amount boxers are being offered to fight other boxers so I can make an informed decision on just who is really ducking a particular boxer or just asking for fair pay. Other than that I don't care about the business aspects and just want good and logical fights to get made in a timely manner. For instance I think the only boxer to get offered 8 million dollars to fight Canelo was Saunders. I doubt any other boxer was offered more than half that much. No way to know for sure because Oscar makes sure the amount of his amazing, amazing offers to boxers to fight Canelo remains a secret.
I don't care about it much at all. But I do realise it's a big factor or atleast an excuse as to some big fights not happening and seeing as we like to scream duck i like to know who to scream duck at if any of them.
It's unfortunately a big part of the game.
I care about it when fights aren’t being made and it’s because one fighter is being unreasonable with the monetary demands... that’s where the gray area is though, what defines unreasonable???
i don't care in the sense that i don't see the money.
but i do recognize that people put their lives on the line to do this, companies invest years and hundreds of thousands / millions of dollars to get a fighter into championship contention and on TV or apps winning fights. money is a real thing. boxers have accountants and lawyers like any businessman.
I see your point! I think when a fighter is caught in that position specially @t Spences age it’s a tough situation but what I would do is become more active and fight 4 times a year. If none of the top guys wanna fight then you increase your activity since your level of opposition is low and this gives the fans what they want: more KOs! If you do this then the big fights and the money will come
It all really comes down to “who” you as a fan wants to pressure more. Someone who has an “established” worth and is “willing” to take a risk on a regular basis “or” do you want to pressure the fighter who’s on cruise control and expects the Aside to super charge his bank account.
I will use Errol Spence Jr. as an example:
He cracks the Ring magazine top-10 at 147 in 2015 (at #9) after scoring dominant victories over solid but not spectacular opposition. Spence smokes a former junior welterweight titlist in Chris Algieri the following year and people really start to take notice of Errol as a potential future world champion in the division.
This is around the time when you start hearing about Spence possibly facing the PBC guys ranked ahead of him (Garcia, Porter, Thurman) but they all pretty much dismiss the idea (especially Thurman) because Spence "needs to work his way up"
Fortunately Kell Brook (who was rated #1 at 147 in 2016) doesn't use the same excuse (although he certainly could have) and he elects to defend his title against Spence. Spence wins of course and yet the other top guys still try to say that Spence needs to prove himself (even though he is now a titlist).
My point is that it's hard to break through when the guys "ahead" of you avoid you by saying you haven't fought anyone (even when you're rated right behind them in the top-10). So then you beat the best of the rest (i.e. the fighters who don't have the luxury of avoiding you) and then that somehow justifies the narrative that you "haven't fought anyone".
What is a fighter to do in that situation? What if Kell Brook had taken the same position on a potential Spence fight that Keith Thurman did? I just find the topic interesting and I would love to hear more thoughts on it.
I understand that boxing is a business too, however I will never root for fights to NOT happen just because an "A-side" doesn't think their opponent deserves a certain amount of money.
If that sort of thing is ok then we shouldn't complain when the top guys beat up on lesser opponents just because they are willing to fight for way less. For that matter Canelo could just offer local pros whatever it costs to pay their rent for the year. That's a lot cheaper than whatever Billy Joe Saunders is making right? (that's sarcasm of course) What are your thoughts?
It all really comes down to “who” you as a fan wants to pressure more. Someone who has an “established” worth and is “willing” to take a risk on a regular basis “or” do you want to pressure the fighter who’s on cruise control and expects the Aside to super charge his bank account.