Rocky Marciano vs Tyson Fury

You're delusional, like all fans of old timers guys like Marciano were great for his time, but times change, and athletes evolve! he'd be a ****ing midget in today's HW division I don't think he ever fought anyone over 190 lbs, what makes you think he'd be able to deal with superheavies like Wlad who weigh around 245 lbs, and who aren't complete clueless bums? They won't allow Rocky to just get inside and pound at them like Rocky Balboa did with the beef! The Klitschkos were great fighters and specialists at fighting TALL, they would keep the little man at the end of the jab. Wlad would smother and lean on him and use energy sapping tactics, he was great at neutralizing smaller guys with superior inside game and Marciano would be no different (and he'd be much smaller than the average Klitschko opponent). Marciano would get tired and frustrated and finally knocked out by either Klitschko. Joshua and Fury wont lose either unless they act like idiots and forget their boxing. I don't see Marciano replicating what Ruiz did unless AJ gets even more overconfident again. Fury would toy with him, outbox him all night, Marciano wouldn't be able to get close, but Fury can't punch so Marciano probably loses by wide UD. Marciano was a great fighter but he's just too small to compete with superheavies. Did you see what happened with David Haye vs Wlad?? Haye (who is quite bigger than Marciano) was way more skilled than Wlad, nobody can deny that, but he still couldn't overcome the size difference, because he wasn't fighting a bum, but a much bigger fighter with skills!! the klistchkos and fury aren't primo carnero, they're not just tall bums relying on size. they got skills and that's why Marciano would lose, soundly Lennox Lewis would beat his ass too, btw The average 70s-90s amateur would destroy any pro 30-40s fighter they look like novices

This is crazy comparing massive modern HWs to a 185lb fighter from the mid 20th century who by todays standards skillwise wasn't even very good. Forget HWs, I'd pick Bhop to easily UD Rocky. The problem is bhop wouldnt let it go past 1 even in his amateur form since he was way more advanced than the whole 30-40s,why you said it would go ud Is odd

No one made midcard fighting like they did in 30-40s in 70s-90s,so why would rock now,see how that doesn't make any sense,he was a novice he would be destroyed even by a amateur fury,everyone who said rock wins is a crazy idiot

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The size advantage is just too great. Marciano only has a chance if it is a Haye vs Valuev scenario but Tyson is no Nikolai Valuev and is too long, mobile and cagey to lose to Marciano. The 15 rounds and heat in the arena would be an issue with many big fighters but Fury's herky jerky style causes his opponent to expend more energy than he does especially when he is only flicking out his jab a few times a round.

Isn’t the whole point of a swarmer that you’re a lot smaller than you opponent, allowing you to use their size against them ? Crouching down low so they can’t hit you, going in close so their longer arms aren’t able to generate power, using the stamina advantage inherent in being a lighter man, etc. ? Admittedly Rocky was as much a slugger as a swarmer.... but that’s also good, he can get outboxed all night long but he just needs to land one solid punch to end it.

People are talking about how Marciano was a super-middle/light heavy but remember- Andre Ward, a super middle/ small light heavy beat Clemente Russo who beat Deontay Wilder who knocked down Fury twice and who most people consider Fury’s best win. :lol1: :lol1:

lol.............how about Lebron vs john havlichek

People are talking about how Marciano was a super-middle/light heavy but remember- Andre Ward, a super middle/ small light heavy beat Clemente Russo who beat Deontay Wilder who knocked down Fury twice and who most people consider Fury’s best win.

Valuev wasn't a boxer, he was just a big lummox with a pair of gloves on. He wasn't brilliant but he's a good example of a behemoth being difficult to beat. Holyfield and Ruiz probably got it done. He had a semblance of fighting tall. Would push out a jab and roll forward behind it. Opponents could stay away or could try and fight a man 100 pounds heavier who could lean all over them and had the potential to club them to the floor.

Never got into fantasy match ups. Just because it's sort of disrespectful to form an opinion. The only curiosity I have is who was the smallest man who could have beaten Valuev. Haye gave up a 100 pounds. He basically didn't engage all night which was why it was so close on the cards. But I think any elite 6 foot fighter would have beaten Valuev using the same tactics. Valuev wasn't a boxer, he was just a big lummox with a pair of gloves on.

Never got into fantasy match ups. Just because it's sort of disrespectful to form an opinion. The only curiosity I have is who was the smallest man who could have beaten Valuev. Haye gave up a 100 pounds. He basically didn't engage all night which was why it was so close on the cards. But I think any elite 6 foot fighter would have beaten Valuev using the same tactics.

Ali would slap you silly and go make you go to the store and grab a loaf of bread for saying such blasphemy! Rock was used to fighting guys bigger than him and only way you was winning the fight is if you knock him out which good luck with that! Rock would walk Fury down and work his body and make Fury fight him and if Fury tries to get dirty then best believe Rock unlike Wilder is gonna get just as dirty if not more! As soon as Fury starts to get desperate and dirty boxes and tries his little hold and hitting tricks or choke holds, Rock is gonna hit him in the nûts or punch him in the throat! By the time round 11 begins Fury will realize this “little man” isn’t going away an is getting stronger as the fight goes on and is throwing more punches that is hurting more each round goes by! I think a short left hook to the body hurt Fury who and unlike Wilder he won’t just throw wild haymakers at the head but will continue going to the body until Fury’s day on his torso is caved into his ribs! You guys overrate Fury for beating a past prime Klitschko who didn’t take any chances, a past prime journeyman Chisora twice and stopping Wilder who simply was looking for one punch and kept telegraphing it! You’re nuts if you think Rock can’t hurt Fury if a got dàmn Steve Cunningham or Wallin can! Lolololol. A fighter who is 5ft 10-11 with a reach of 68 who plods forward is gonna beat a 6ft 9-10 giant who moves like a middleweight and has a reach of 85:rofl::rofl: yeah right. Fury schools this heavyweight

Fixed it for you my good chap! Haha how exactly does that midget beat 6ft9 Tyson Fury?

stopped reading after the first sentence, but then I decided to read the next sentence to see if you had a valid point....so I only read the bolded parts. reading comprehension ain't your forte, ha? if i found a pygmy tribe of people who have a hw division where the fighters are all 120lbs, I guess it's fair game to compare them to lennox lewis and vitali klitschko? :dunce::dunce::dunce: I didn’t even bother to read it cuz someone putting in emoji’s during a debate makes me think they’re either a child or a man child so I’m guessing the latter! Put it like this, Jack Dempsey was a midget compared to James Willard but guess who went down faster than a 3 dollar whôre but I guess it wouldn’t be fair to compare Rock vs Fury! Rock would’ve made Fury have PTSD whenever he sees someone much smaller than him after Rock is finished with him!

You're delusional, like all fans of old timers guys like Marciano were great for his time, but times change, and athletes evolve! he'd be a ****ing midget in today's HW division I don't think he ever fought anyone over 190 lbs, what makes you think he'd be able to deal with superheavies like Wlad who weigh around 245 lbs, and who aren't complete clueless bums? They won't allow Rocky to just get inside and pound at them like Rocky Balboa did with the beef! The Klitschkos were great fighters and specialists at fighting TALL, they would keep the little man at the end of the jab. Wlad would smother and lean on him and use energy sapping tactics, he was great at neutralizing smaller guys with superior inside game and Marciano would be no different (and he'd be much smaller than the average Klitschko opponent). Marciano would get tired and frustrated and finally knocked out by either Klitschko. Joshua and Fury wont lose either unless they act like idiots and forget their boxing. I don't see Marciano replicating what Ruiz did unless AJ gets even more overconfident again. Fury would toy with him, outbox him all night, Marciano wouldn't be able to get close, but Fury can't punch so Marciano probably loses by wide UD. Marciano was a great fighter but he's just too small to compete with superheavies. Did you see what happened with David Haye vs Wlad?? Haye (who is quite bigger than Marciano) was way more skilled than Wlad, nobody can deny that, but he still couldn't overcome the size difference, because he wasn't fighting a bum, but a much bigger fighter with skills!! the klistchkos and fury aren't primo carnero, they're not just tall bums relying on size. they got skills and that's why Marciano would lose, soundly Lennox Lewis would beat his ass too, btw You’re suffering from cognitive dissonance and it’s as clear as the sunshine on a summer day! Please take out your paper and pencils cuz class is in session! You keep making the mistake of looking at Rocky like some ordinary Joe Schmoe that the Klitschko’s or the Fury’s fought, they may have been able to utilize those tricks on those guys but Rock was a different animal altogether! Now the cliche athletes evolve crap, no more like athletes have found newer ways to get an added advantage than those of back then is more like it! Back then it was just your fists, hard work and skills, no need for home cooking or refs favoring a fighter! Klitschko’s both have been spoiled with refs that obviously favored them allowed questionable tactics ex. Leaning on necks, leaning on backs, excessive clinching, wrestling, stiff arms, manipulation of the ring, and favored refs! Take those cheap tactics away and the Klitschko’s would both fall like an old oak tree! But even with those tactics it just prolongs the punishment being taken! You think Rock is just gonna take punches like a PEZ dispenser? Yes he does take shots to get his but when he chooses he can slip punches and roll with them to get underneath and work the body! He can change his angle and get off the line of his opponents fire but weaving to his right while gauging the distance of where he needs to be or how much space his opponent needs to land! Rock would instinctively know with a guy as big as the Klitschko’s they would mostly rely on the jab and likely constant stiff jabs while leaning back to increase their distance and also their jab is a range finder for the right hand! Rock would either parry then dip low or crouch under almost leaning forward to nullify the jab, Klitschko’s more than likely will either step back with the left hand out or try to come in and lean on Rock! Rock would counter this by either stepping to Klitschko’s crouching low and parry the jabs and lean out of Klitschko’s firing range to work his way back inside to feast on Klitschko’s ribs and or he would Head butt Klitschko's when they come in to attempt to lean on him or hit low! Klitschko’s would think twice eventually about leaning on Rock after awhile! Rock was great at making you exhaust all your options before you know that you have anything left in the tank, imagine Klitschko’s doing nearly every trick in the book for a big man to keep a smaller opponent off him and realize nothing is stopping this little man from waltzing in the front door and breaking you down piece by piece like a lego kit! Rock was much stronger, more determined, more compact and had more subtle skills than the average Klitschko’s opponent! Wlad would get absolutely thrashed all around after 9 rounds and I see the ref stopping it in 14 or Rock catches him clean on the chin and it’s lights out like bed time! Vitali would be harder and longer to break down but it would be brutal cuz his chin will hold up but his body won’t since he’s hand a multitude of bodily injuries! I think Vitali would do well for 10 rounds but Rock is consistently chipping away at his body until he goes in the 15th and final round! This time it won’t be no avenging one brothers defeat! Like I said, you play down Marciano while playing up AJ and Fury who’s fought no ATG’s except 1 between them! One danced his way to the title as the bigger man at heavyweight while the other went life and death with the UK ref stopping the fight when Wlad was blocking punches on his gloves! Rock would absolutely hurt AJ on the inside, if you thought a late replacement sub with feet slower than molasses and just hand speed blitz AJ then what you think a human war machine is gonna do to someone who can’t defend against combination punching!? Rock would give AJ the elephant man treatment with that horrid defense, AJ doesn’t even parry shots, he mainly slaps them away which is a no no against a violent crouching tiger who throws bombs in combos to the body and head! Now Fury would be his toughest as I’ve said but no once’s invincible! After 5 rounds Rock would know Fury is a mover who likes to play it safe with flicker jabs and double jabs and even triple jabs or quadruple jabs! No problem for Rock, he’ll stay off the line of fire and when Fury squares up Rock will use an outside and inside parry for the jabs and maintain a stance to evade or roll if the right hand or hook comes! By then he’ll understand Fury’s rhythm, he’ll just start to slip to Fury’s outside shoulder to close the distance while occupying the jabs with inside/outside parrying or crouching under them! Fury would be on his bike like Lance Armstrong but it wouldn’t matter, Rock would increase the pressure and force Fury into some exchanges due to Rock closing the distance with what I mentioned above and stopping Fury’s dirty tactics by either hitting him low or head butting the cartoonish giant! The pace will pick up more than Fury’s used to, more punches will start to land especially to the body, Fury will be working his legs overtime to keep Rock off him, also frustrated with how his dirty tactics aren’t working cuz Rock is paying him back in kind with dirty boxing and he’s also forced to throw more than he’s used to while taking shots! Eventually the fall will come in the final round of the 15 where Fury is absolutely gassed and feeling the affects of the body attack, a Rock smells blood and works the body until Fury is down and out like an antisocial teenager! Again, David Haye isn’t no damn Marciano! Haye fought a stupid fight btw, he was the faster man of hand and feet and didn’t use them to their best, he basically played it safe and Wlad did the same playing it safe! Marciano is about breaking you down and making you work more than your used to while suffocating you with pressure, work rate, combinations to head and body and giving you angles while fighting dirty if need be! Rock isn’t no damn Haye, Samuel Peters or a ready to retire Lennox Lewis! Lewis vs Rock? That all depends what type of ref is in the fight, Lewis has no problem stinking the fight up and playing it absolutely safe! Rock would have to pull every trick he’s got as Lewis is an all around ATG!

Fury is too big..but who knows, Marciano was an odd/special guy and a bit of a tank.

You know nothing and if the fans of the 40’s heard you say this they would spit on you and teach you a lesson! The Klitschko’s? The same stiffs whom benefited in one of the weakest era’s in sports history where they fought part time golfers, part time bin collectors, chubby cruiserweights, and with paid off refs who allowed them to clinch, wrestle and lean on their smaller opponents to death?! Those the ones? Don’t make me laugh, Rock would absolutely pulverize Wlad if there’s a fair ref involved, Rock would easily get inside and eat his lunch! One big left hook on Wlad’s chin by Rock and it’s good nite Irene! Vitali would be tougher to beat cuz he’s awkward and not as stiff and has a stone chin, but Rock would definitely have his way once he gets inside cuz Vitali isn’t a good inside fighter! I think Vitali has a great chin but he’s been bothered before with body shots and that’s Rock’s bread and butter! It would be an epic fight and a brutal finish, toss up! AJ would get absolutely smash to bits, Rock hits a lot harder than Ruiz and throws way more punches than Ruiz did when he blitz AJ, Joshua would also absolutely underestimate him and try to get him outta there like he tried with Ruiz! I see Rock goading AJ into a fire fight and Rock puts the chinny bodybuilder in a world of hurt when he connects with uppercuts on the inside and work the body! Only chances Joshua has is if he fights Rock like he did Ruiz in the rematch but unfortunately Rock is in shape, can move his legs and won’t just settle in the clinches like Ruiz did! Fury would be the toughest opponent of Rock’s career and that’s when he’ll step up to the occasion and put on a virtuoso performance! Fury does well for rounds 1-9 and then Rock takes over and beats him down like a step child! Marciano can compete! You're delusional, like all fans of old timers guys like Marciano were great for his time, but times change, and athletes evolve! he'd be a ****ing midget in today's HW division I don't think he ever fought anyone over 190 lbs, what makes you think he'd be able to deal with superheavies like Wlad who weigh around 245 lbs, and who aren't complete clueless bums? They won't allow Rocky to just get inside and pound at them like Rocky Balboa did with the beef! The Klitschkos were great fighters and specialists at fighting TALL, they would keep the little man at the end of the jab. Wlad would smother and lean on him and use energy sapping tactics, he was great at neutralizing smaller guys with superior inside game and Marciano would be no different (and he'd be much smaller than the average Klitschko opponent). Marciano would get tired and frustrated and finally knocked out by either Klitschko. Joshua and Fury wont lose either unless they act like idiots and forget their boxing. I don't see Marciano replicating what Ruiz did unless AJ gets even more overconfident again. Fury would toy with him, outbox him all night, Marciano wouldn't be able to get close, but Fury can't punch so Marciano probably loses by wide UD. Marciano was a great fighter but he's just too small to compete with superheavies. Did you see what happened with David Haye vs Wlad?? Haye (who is quite bigger than Marciano) was way more skilled than Wlad, nobody can deny that, but he still couldn't overcome the size difference, because he wasn't fighting a bum, but a much bigger fighter with skills!! the klistchkos and fury aren't primo carnero, they're not just tall bums relying on size. they got skills and that's why Marciano would lose, soundly Lennox Lewis would beat his ass too, btw

This is crazy comparing massive modern HWs to a 185lb fighter from the mid 20th century who by todays standards skillwise wasn't even very good. Forget HWs, I'd pick Bhop to easily UD Rocky. Disrespectful, just simply disgusting behavior! You wouldn’t know subtle skills even if you read a hooked on phonics book about it or have a book for dummies on subtle boxing skills! Rock wasn’t some unskilled fighter, you look at the flashiness of shoeshine punches or when someone turns an opponent as very good when in fact they were doing that back then, it just wasn’t as flashy or as athletic! People have called Duran a come forward brawler with skills not very good cuz he wasn’t flashy! Rock had subtle skills and was only getting better cuz he took boxing late, it’s sad we never got to see the best of him before he died! Picking Hopkins to beat Marciano is just pure madness, with that type of logic and your lack of knowledge you might as well start mouthing off that Winky Wright would whoop Jake Lamotta!

Wasn't Marciano a grandpa killer like Joe Calzaghe? Fury schooled Klitschko, Deontay in the 1st fight & knocked Wilder t'f out. Gypsy destroys Rocky easily Watch your tongue you little wretch! You modern day boxing fans have no respect for fighters as you troll and disrespect them for losing a fight or getting knocked out! Most of y’all lazy Neanderthals wouldn’t last sparring 2 rounds with your grandpa’s! Rock was the legend killer and if he didn’t die he would’ve added more to his legacy! We’ve seen lately that old fighters can come and beat the younger and in prime fighters so show some respect to the old guards! Fury danced vs a timid Klitschko who all of a sudden decided to throw punches in the last round, impressive cuz he beat him in Germany but Klitschko didn’t throw any shots till the 12th! Everyone knows Fury was the superior boxer than Wilder on nearly every facet yet got dropped twice and if there was any other ref not named Jack Reiss he would’ve been declared knocked out which he was for 4 seconds! In the rematch in which I called it down to the T, Fury was fortunate to not have a more strict ref cuz he was doing lots of dirty boxing and Bayless didn’t take a point until the fight was basically over! Some refs would’ve took 2 or more points with all that hitting and holding and chokeholds or deliberate leaning on the neck and tripping of the legs! Not impressive cuz I picked him to win by stoppage due to him having more tools and also having every physical advantage! Against Rock, Fury won’t be facing a timid Wlad who relies on his opponents to stand still in a straight line to land the 1-2 or leaping left hook! Against Rock, Fury won’t be up against a only looking for one punch Wilder who relies on you to square up and give space to land the big right hand! Rock will all over The Gypsy like a fortune teller in a caravan! Rock won’t allow Fury to get away by dancing and he won’t just let him get rough houses without consequences! Fury will be fighting his match in heart, will, determination, strength, stamina, and dirty tactics! Unlike Wilder if he has Fury hurt he will finish him cuz he won’t be going for the head, work the body and the tree will fall!