Not To Mention before arum murad muhammad screwed him up by underpaying him
Yep, Pac actually would’ve had an even more spectacular career if he managed it better, which is nuts because it already was spectacular.
That Roadblock dude is an imbecile. He doesn’t know anything about boxing, he should be banned for ignorance and stupidity.
Why do the mods allow morons like him, Robbie Barrett and Curtis Harper to remain here?
They must all be the same guy though I bet, lmao.
Lmao Manny?
Manny arguably had a rough management team. He made several big mistakes managing his career. He never needed to fight Marquez a 4th time. He shouldn’t have let Arum swindle him all those years. He should’ve never fought Horn in Australia where Manny was incredibly robbed. He should’ve never made that gay person comment to whatever reporters.
What makes Manny so amazing is that even after some big bumps in the road, he still came back dominantly and is top of the food chain in boxing. He persevered throughout the years and always came back from and conquered adversity.
True warrior.
Not To Mention before arum murad muhammad screwed him up by underpaying him
Then the best version of Floyd was 135 so he beat all these guys out of his prime.
Your ideology not mine, you cant have it both ways .
The floyd at 147 will beat the **** out of his version that struggled against castillo.
Floyd and Joshua. Hearn made Joshua a star in the bad heavyweight division. On paper Joshua shouldn't be big as Canelo or Manny. Have to give them credit.
Then the best version of Floyd was 135 so he beat all these guys out of his prime.
Your ideology not mine, you cant have it both ways .
Lmao you’re so offended by this thread you won’t stay out.
Floyd is the best career manager.
End of discussion, no room for debate.
Victor Ortiz, Robert Guerrero and Berto are on those guys levels. And floyd took **** for fighting those bums
Berto was his last fight, the other two were better credentialled than Algeri Horn and Rios.
Prime means the best version of themselves... it is at a time the fights mattered most. Floyd didn’t bested his best wins at a time they mattered most. Imagine him beating pac at 09 when pac was demolishing everyone.. imagine him beating cotto at 08 when he was undefeated.. or oscar when he was 30... he would have been straight cut the goat.. prime pac win alone catapults him several ranks forwards. whether you believe it’s his fault or not there seems to be a lot smoke to trace in there.
Of course time is going to favor floyd’s style since his technique ages gracefully than offensive ones.. as history have repetitively shown us.. he fights a conservative defensive style. Compare his prime version to his 35 yr old version it’s almost identical.. now compare prime pac to his 36 yr old self. Or oscar to his 34 yr old self. They’re night and day..
I like floyd but that’s just the truth. He will always have a shot at tbe and goat.. but dissecting it reveals ugly stuffs.
Then the best version of Floyd was 135 so he beat all these guys out of his prime.
Your ideology not mine, you cant have it both ways .
Most well managed fighters are the ones from America or the UK, no one can tell me boxers from third world countries are well managed. They have it tough coming up and even when they get to the top, they still probably get looked down upon, someone like Wilder has been managed quite well, he fought no one of note until his 35th fight, i know the excuse was he started boxing late, but then you compare him to someone like Joshua who also started late then you see the discrepancy in that logic.
Great point. Azumah Nelson immediately came to mind.
Al Haymon with Mayweather knew who to avoid when to fight the person they were avoiding , how to master catch weights who to choose as Judges and refs. Retire to avoid the lions comeback after they all beat themselves up to clean house on shop worn fighters . It was a Master piece by Al Haymon
It’s Floyd, this thread has no further discussion. Nobody managed a better career than Floyd, nobody.
Floyd cared more about managing his career than actually fighting. It’s just the truth.
AJ has to be up there.
Picked up his first title off Charles Martin, who won a title via leg injury. They basically bought his belt.
Then had a couple of easy defences then fought Wlad in his big breakout fight with a vacant title on the line. But Wlad had been inactive for a while, was 41 and coming off a loss. Hearn basically admitted the fight may not have happened if that wasn’t the case.
Another easy defence v Takam with a dodgy ref that waved the fight off for no reason. Then fought Parker in a unification once they saw Parker had been looking very average, had debatable decisions with guys like Hughie Fury. Hearn even drafted in a ref to keep Parker away from AJ. So they picked up another title.
Great career management to control nearly all the belts without taking any real risks. Plus attracting a huge casual fanbase and a lot of money.
Wilder’s was good too, but they never really brought in huge money until very recently. Also, they cherry picked Fury thinking he was finished. Then it all went downhill.
Easy because Floyd could never fight a Rios Algeri or Horn without being crucified, can you imagine Floyd fighting Rios coming of a loss and his first fight at WW, come on never could happen with Floyd.
Victor Ortiz, Robert Guerrero and Berto are on those guys levels. And floyd took **** for fighting those bums
Most well managed fighters are the ones from America or the UK, no one can tell me boxers from third world countries are well managed. They have it tough coming up and even when they get to the top, they still probably get looked down upon, someone like Wilder has been managed quite well, he fought no one of note until his 35th fight, i know the excuse was he started boxing late, but then you compare him to someone like Joshua who also started late then you see the discrepancy in that logic.
Yup, you have a great point in there. A lot of people don't realize how hard it is to get attention when you're a foreigner. You have to be extraordinary to capture eyes. Even that is not enough. You have to take risks and surprise people. That is their invisible handicap
Most well managed fighters are the ones from America or the UK, no one can tell me boxers from third world countries are well managed. They have it tough coming up and even when they get to the top, they still probably get looked down upon, someone like Wilder has been managed quite well, he fought no one of note until his 35th fight, i know the excuse was he started boxing late, but then you compare him to someone like Joshua who also started late then you see the discrepancy in that logic.
... Wilder?... Why?... how much did he make as compared to Floyd or Canelo?...
They had exceptional talent. Matchmaking isn't as hard when you're matching up the best of an era.
I was asking you how much money did he make in comparison with Floyd or Canelo...
You dudes crack me up, Floyd wasnt in prime either he fought them around the same level off prime, they all graduated inside the same era, prime is such a distorted throwaway statement.
Your idea of prime is a mirage, you think its a few years out of a 20 yr career, they have a prime zone and its extended across most of their career, its generally that the potential is reached quickly, then it plateaus and gets better with maturity and learning, then its a quick down turn just like there fast rise.
Prime means the best version of themselves... it is at a time the fights mattered most. Floyd didn’t bested his best wins at a time they mattered most. Imagine him beating pac at 09 when pac was demolishing everyone.. imagine him beating cotto at 08 when he was undefeated.. or oscar when he was 30... he would have been straight cut the goat.. prime pac win alone catapults him several ranks forwards. whether you believe it’s his fault or not there seems to be a lot smoke to trace in there.
Of course time is going to favor floyd’s style since his technique ages gracefully than offensive ones.. as history have repetitively shown us.. he fights a conservative defensive style. Compare his prime version to his 35 yr old version it’s almost identical.. now compare prime pac to his 36 yr old self. Or oscar to his 34 yr old self. They’re night and day..
I like floyd but that’s just the truth. He will always have a shot at tbe and goat.. but dissecting it reveals ugly stuffs.
... Wilder?... Why?... how much did he make as compared to Floyd or Canelo?...
They had exceptional talent. Matchmaking isn't as hard when you're matching up the best of an era.
No-one mentioning Wilder? It's been a masterclass in picking the right fights.
Every fight was picked to advance him as some kind of destroyer. He never was, but they inexplicably got him to the top table and the big money. On very limited ability.
... Wilder?... Why?... how much did he make as compared to Floyd or Canelo?...