Andre Ward salty assphook with Canelo

Syles make fights. Bute was a very good awkward southpaw with a high work rate. A stylistic nightmare for Ward and he knew it which is exactly why it was always duck season whenever Bute's name was brought up. since when was andre ward bad against southpaws or against punchers? he's left handed FFS. lucian bute was hugely overrated . what's his best win? again, you'd have a leg to stand on if he ever did anything worth a damn. you overrated the guy. you don't base whether or not a fighter ducks somebody based on a misconception. you don't evaluate a fighter historically based on a misconception! if bute had gotten through froch and ward didn't fight him you'd have a leg to stand on. but you do not! you all went oooh and ahh for two reasons; he was a puncher and he was not andre ward. hard puncher, very overrated fighter.

Ward is mad that little Canelo jumped up 2 divisions and knocked out his best win :lol1: Anything is better than Ward's "wins". First fight: Fishy decision after an undercard of blatantly fixed outcomes in favor of Roc Nation prospects. Rematch: Waved off due to a blatant nut shot. "Winning" like that is worse than losing.

Andre Ward overrated. Canelo destroys him.

Canelo embarassed Ward. 147 155 160 168 175 Ward 168 175 Imagine a welterweight knocking out your best win in a more dominant fashion while using zero ball punches. Thats why Ward is pissed. Time for some context: 1. Canelo turned pro at 15 so of course he went up in weight 2. It's easier to move up when you start at a lower weight class 3. Canelo didn't face the same Kovalev that Ward did

Notice Max mentions " Beterbiev- Ward" but never says the dreaded words "Canelo-Ward" This is because Ward has every person with a microphone and in a 20 yard radius of him sign an NDA that they cannot ask him how he would fair in a fight vs Canelo. He doesnt want the public thinking about how badly Canelo would KO him.

Canelo embarassed Ward. 147 155 160 168 175 Ward 168 175 Imagine a welterweight knocking out your best win in a more dominant fashion while using zero ball punches. Thats why Ward is pissed.

Hold on...stop the spinning please..please just stop it. I am not arguing about whether Ward would have won...that isn't the point...the point is in how can you defend a man on this point - He said - 'The winner of this tourney should fight Bute'...then 2 fights later, he is the winner...and he says Bute hasn't fought anyone and doesn't deserve the fight!!! That is bullsh.it man...like Ward or not, how can you try and defend that. Like you don't have to defend everything about a guy lol...just say 'yeah that was some bullsh.it' and move on. Btw - Bute fought Glen Johnson 10 days before Froch fought Ward in the final...and Glen lost to Froch in the semis of the Super 6!!! I actually said I didn't agree with Ward's position, right after the first part of my post that you highlighted. Trying to understanding someone isn't the same as defending them. And you're right, Glen Johnson did end up entering the field as a replacement I believe.

I imagine Ward could have fought Bute, but then again the top guys at 168 had been in the tournament fighting each other for two years while Bute was on the outside looking in. I think Ward felt like Bute needed to prove himself at the elite level by fighting at least one guy from the Super Six after it was over. Do I agree? Not necessarily but I do understand the logic. So Bute gets his shot against the runner-up and here is the tally for the Boxingscene staff predictions (courtesy of Google) Total picks: Lucian Bute 5, Carl Froch 4, Undecided 1 https://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-lucian-bute-vs-carl-froch--53294 It was a 50-50 fight going in and Bute got wiped out, and that actually validated Ward's position on fighting Bute because he lost badly as soon as he fought someone elite. Hold on...stop the spinning please..please just stop it. I am not arguing about whether Ward would have won...that isn't the point...the point is in how can you defend a man on this point - He said - 'The winner of this tourney should fight Bute'...then 2 fights later, he is the winner...and he says Bute hasn't fought anyone and doesn't deserve the fight!!! That is bullsh.it man...like Ward or not, how can you try and defend that. Like you don't have to defend everything about a guy lol...just say 'yeah that was some bullsh.it' and move on. Btw - Bute fought Glen Johnson 10 days before Froch fought Ward in the final...and Glen lost to Froch in the semis of the Super 6!!!

kovalev got rocked and stopped and didnt complain about the stoppage nothing shady at all dude....bika and barrera clearly lost...did you even watch the fights, judges have crap cards all the time but you gotta be blind to think either won agenda clear...im done moving on:spank: yes man your agenda is clear as day...it is obvious when you read a group of your posts...project all you want man. Yeah Ward got warned earlier in the fight for low blows...and then pretty clearly went low after that...there were certainly some on the border to where after getting warned, you would think a guy may get warned again or a point off, as a couple certainly strayed low after the warning. And then the fight literally ended with 2 straight low shots...no way should a fight end like that...to act like that is a legit ending and defend it is complete bullsh.it. How did you score those Bika-Barrera fights? I had them both about even...no real issue with a narrow Ward win in either one but could see a draw in each one as well. And don't take it from me...take it from the announcer in Barrera-Ward who after a few rounds said 'man it takes a better man than me to score these rounds'...and basically all the rounds except a few rounds were like that. And don't take it from me on Bika-Ward...take it from other people, who, like me, actually watched the fight. "A majority of observers had the fight a lot closer in terms of rounds scored to each fighter than what the judges had." https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Andre_Ward_vs._Sakio_Bika Since I know you haven't watched those 2 fights in total...go ahead and give them a view and then try and really say Ward dominated or clearly won those fights. When you fight at home and get 2 10-2 cards, and a 12-0 card in a very tight close fight, I just don't think that is really something to hype up man...there are a lot of other guys out there who you could champion who were legit and really proved it...didn't play it safe at home and get protection.

Kessler was a shady decision...Kov 1 and 2 were shady decisions...Froch was not, clean win...Dawson a shady situation...I mean he has 1 clear non-controversial win man, 7-5 on my card over Froch...what am I supposed to get excited about lol. Bika and Barrera were scored like 11-1 and they were either way type of fights...if you say otherwise I will first assume that you didn't actually watch those fights...I actually did watch them unlike I would say about at least half of Ward's fans that I've spoken to. kovalev got rocked and stopped and didnt complain about the stoppage nothing shady at all dude....bika and barrera clearly lost...did you even watch the fights, judges have crap cards all the time but you gotta be blind to think either won agenda clear...im done moving on:spank:

Ward hates it that his top win was a walk in the park for a much smaller canelo. It's amazing when people that supposedly follow boxing are this stupid. If you were intelligent enough to put things into context you would realize the Kovalev Ward fought was a far different version than the one Canelo fought.

Because those fighters were not very good to begin with. Just because they were the best of that particular division doesnt mean they were great overall. People at the time didnt care for 168 because it had no standouts. Ward wins the tourny and suddenly everyone acts like those were some dangerous fights. andre ward was an olympic gold medalist....he was also had the longest odds to win that tournament..... but i guess the division just stunk lol

Why did Ward say the winner of the Super 6 should fight Bute...and then when Ward won, he said Bute needed to fight someone else before he fought Ward? And anyone saying the Kov-Ward 1 fight was really a close fight...disgusting. I imagine Ward could have fought Bute, but then again the top guys at 168 had been in the tournament fighting each other for two years while Bute was on the outside looking in. I think Ward felt like Bute needed to prove himself at the elite level by fighting at least one guy from the Super Six after it was over. Do I agree? Not necessarily but I do understand the logic. So Bute gets his shot against the runner-up and here is the tally for the Boxingscene staff predictions (courtesy of Google) Total picks: Lucian Bute 5, Carl Froch 4, Undecided 1 https://www.boxingscene.com/boxingscene-staff-predictions-lucian-bute-vs-carl-froch--53294 It was a 50-50 fight going in and Bute got wiped out, and that actually validated Ward's position on fighting Bute because he lost badly as soon as he fought someone elite.

Kessler was a shady decision...Kov 1 and 2 were shady decisions...Froch was not, clean win...Dawson a shady situation...I mean he has 1 clear non-controversial win man, 7-5 on my card over Froch...what am I supposed to get excited about lol. Bika and Barrera were scored like 11-1 and they were either way type of fights...if you say otherwise I will first assume that you didn't actually watch those fights...I actually did watch them unlike I would say about at least half of Ward's fans that I've spoken to. - -Listen up! Son of Goofus' shoe collection trumps all them punks. Michael Jordon in de house!

He lost to Joe and he is also younger than Joe. Joe was retief before the super 6 even happened and was a light heavy by 2006-07, The super 6 started in 09 and calzaghe was almost 40...again not the same era and Kessler was one if not the oldest and experienced of the super 6 entrants Come on man keep up And it was still a weak division.

How was the Super Six overrated? It had every elite super middleweight in it except Lucian Bute and Joe Calzaghe was basically done at that point. Besides that, it was a round robin format so everyone fought each other and no one received the benefit of advancing due to a favorable matchup. I will give you the first Kovalev matchup (I had it 114-113 Kovalev but it was close enough to go either way). As for Bute, he had his shot at the elite against Carl Froch and Froch destroyed him. If Bute had won, then I imagine that Ward-Bute might have happened. The fight would have definitely happened if Bute had been in the Super Six because it was a round robin format. Because those fighters were not very good to begin with. Just because they were the best of that particular division doesnt mean they were great overall. People at the time didnt care for 168 because it had no standouts. Ward wins the tourny and suddenly everyone acts like those were some dangerous fights.

name 3 shady decisions he got in his career...the man had 2 close fights.....with froch and kovalev 1 Kessler was a shady decision...Kov 1 and 2 were shady decisions...Froch was not, clean win...Dawson a shady situation...I mean he has 1 clear non-controversial win man, 7-5 on my card over Froch...what am I supposed to get excited about lol. Bika and Barrera were scored like 11-1 and they were either way type of fights...if you say otherwise I will first assume that you didn't actually watch those fights...I actually did watch them unlike I would say about at least half of Ward's fans that I've spoken to.

did you even watch the full fight let alone score it? card scores please if youre biased the scores will show Of course I did...and when the bell rang, I said 'let the best man win'. I felt bad for Ward that in his big moment fight...he was getting his ass kicked at the beginning of the fight...I had it 5-1 through 6...and Kov was closer to being up 6-0 than 4-2. Then over the last 6 rounds, they were scrappy rounds...not a whole lot in them...the clearest one of the last 6 was number 10 to Kovalev...Ward's best round of the entire fight imho was number 12, which still wasn't very clear. I gave Ward 4 rounds live...and felt that was very charitable...he got beat up the first 6 and the last 6 were even...anything more than 4-2 either way in the last 6 is a joke...giving Ward more than 1 round in the first 6 is also a bit of a joke. There aren't 7 rounds to give to him...he lost, clearly...it is what it is...why people want to have revisionist history about that fight...I mean it's disgusting. My card, if memory serves me...Kov 1,2,3,4,6,8,10,11 Ward..5,7,9,12

bute lost to carl froch. he developed a head of steam in the minds of foreigners who resented andre ward's successes. want to tell me who he was beating at the time? can you not see how horribly you overrated the guy after carl froch, a fighter who hardly won two rounds against ward, beat him up? the guy wasn't in froch's class. go watch that fight again! and froch was not in ward's! froch didn't even want a ward rematch. he said so! and nobody called for it because of the huge gap in class between the two. sheesh, it's like you guys didn't watch boxing at the time but instead just visited boxingscene and trusted in NSB. Syles make fights. Bute was a very good awkward southpaw with a high work rate. A stylistic nightmare for Ward and he knew it which is exactly why it was always duck season whenever Bute's name was brought up.

because ward won it and they have something against the guy, had it been a guy they rooted for it would have been the best thing since sliced bread He probably meant overrated as far as the opposition involved...and also the manner in which Ward won...I had him comfortably ahead of Kessler but the headbutts etc mar that victory. Then he UDs Allan Green...has a very tough close fight with Bika that judges say he won 11-1...and UDs Arthur Abraham...and beats Froch like 7-5. It's not hating to not be overly impressed with all of that...especially since he fought everything at home. If Froch had a similar run like that at home, I would roll my eyes.