I like to watch fighters, and forget about who they are, or their history and just analyze the fighter himself.
If you watch Roberto Duran fight, and forget he is "Roberto Duran", is his skill set really impressive? I say no.
People act as if Duran was some world beater, his best victory was eeking out a decision against a green 21 year old boy who was Ray Leonard at the time. He got a gift decision against Iran Barkley.
There are several alleged "greats" who if you really look at their skills, they are not special. Marciano, Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez are 3 people who come to mind for me.
Did you even see Duran vs Hagler? That was a glorified sparring match. Duran developed this style of fainting, throwing 1 punch, holding and then backing out similar to what Bernard Hopkins started doing his last 7-8 years active. He didn't even try to beat Hagler he just tried to survive. Hagler respected Duran too much and he didn't do much either.
I give Duran credit for taking a middleweight and super middleweight fight though. But Duran really didn't try to win.
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It's funny, I mean here's this great fighter who people glorify as one of history's finest. Then you watch the Hearns vs. Duran fight and Tommy just destroys him in two rounds. Had him down in the first before he even broke a sweat, and the next round it was just target practice. I mean c'mon TWO ROUNDS, what? That was just weak.
Whoa Whoa, let's not get crazy. The judging for that fight was ridiculous. He did not almost beat Hagler. Not even close.
Lol...how did you score that one man?
Hagler was great but he always struggled vs guys who could box, move and take a shot...and Duran could certainly do that...Marvin didn't really box his way in, he just kind of bounced in there...and that meant vs a guy who can box move/take a shot, that he would lose some rounds for sure.
Him vs Duran was a great fight.
Name one former lightweight champion let alone someone who started at featherweight whod go 12 competitive rounds with Hagler?
Duran is an a top 20 all time great......possibly the greatest lightweight of all time
far from overrated
whats the point of an eye test if the person doesnt understand boxing or what they are watching
Did you even see Duran vs Hagler? That was a glorified sparring match. Duran developed this style of fainting, throwing 1 punch, holding and then backing out similar to what Bernard Hopkins started doing his last 7-8 years active. He didn't even try to beat Hagler he just tried to survive. Hagler respected Duran too much and he didn't do much either.
I give Duran credit for taking a middleweight and super middleweight fight though. But Duran really didn't try to win.
I like to watch fighters, and forget about who they are, or their history and just analyze the fighter himself.
If you watch Roberto Duran fight, and forget he is "Roberto Duran", is his skill set really impressive? I say no.
People act as if Duran was some world beater, his best victory was eeking out a decision against a green 21 year old boy who was Ray Leonard at the time. He got a gift decision against Iran Barkley.
There are several alleged "greats" who if you really look at their skills, they are not special. Marciano, Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez are 3 people who come to mind for me.
Hands of stone is not overrated.
Mayweather is overrated. That should’ve been your thread.
I like to watch fighters, and forget about who they are, or their history and just analyze the fighter himself.
If you watch Roberto Duran fight, and forget he is "Roberto Duran", is his skill set really impressive? I say no.
People act as if Duran was some world beater, his best victory was eeking out a decision against a green 21 year old boy who was Ray Leonard at the time. He got a gift decision against Iran Barkley.
There are several alleged "greats" who if you really look at their skills, they are not special. Marciano, Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez are 3 people who come to mind for me.
Name one former lightweight champion let alone someone who started at featherweight whod go 12 competitive rounds with Hagler?
Duran is an a top 20 all time great......possibly the greatest lightweight of all time
far from overrated
whats the point of an eye test if the person doesnt understand boxing or what they are watching
I like to watch fighters, and forget about who they are, or their history and just analyze the fighter himself.
If you watch Roberto Duran fight, and forget he is "Roberto Duran", is his skill set really impressive? I say no.
People act as if Duran was some world beater, his best victory was eeking out a decision against a green 21 year old boy who was Ray Leonard at the time. He got a gift decision against Iran Barkley.
There are several alleged "greats" who if you really look at their skills, they are not special. Marciano, Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez are 3 people who come to mind for me.
Leonard was 24 not 21..
I like to watch fighters, and forget about who they are, or their history and just analyze the fighter himself.
If you watch Roberto Duran fight, and forget he is "Roberto Duran", is his skill set really impressive? I say no.
People act as if Duran was some world beater, his best victory was eeking out a decision against a green 21 year old boy who was Ray Leonard at the time. He got a gift decision against Iran Barkley.
There are several alleged "greats" who if you really look at their skills, they are not special. Marciano, Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez are 3 people who come to mind for me.
- -Yessss, Duran is overrated by the overstoopid!
Can't fix stupid!
There are several alleged "greats" who if you really look at their skills, they are not special. Marciano, Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez are 3 people who come to mind for me.
It's one thing to watch them, it's another to get in the ring with them.
There's a reason why those 3 won almost every time. Something you'll likely never understand unless you go back in time and get into the ring with them. All 3 were frigging good!
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...I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree and keep it moving. Good day to you, sir.
I hate to disagree with GhostofDempsey but I didn't find the fight all that close scoring wise either. Although I thought each round was close and competitive I thought Hagler was winning them.isn't
I really can't see how Hagler was just a couple rounds a way of losing that fight. Maybe I need to rewatch it.
I like to watch fighters, and forget about who they are, or their history and just analyze the fighter himself.
If you watch Roberto Duran fight, and forget he is "Roberto Duran", is his skill set really impressive? I say no.
People act as if Duran was some world beater, his best victory was eeking out a decision against a green 21 year old boy who was Ray Leonard at the time. He got a gift decision against Iran Barkley.
There are several alleged "greats" who if you really look at their skills, they are not special. Marciano, Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez are 3 people who come to mind for me.
Chavez no skill. All time great body puncher and defensive fighter.
Whoa Whoa, let's not get crazy. The judging for that fight was ridiculous. He did not almost beat Hagler. Not even close.
Judging was just fine. Hagler was behind on the scorecards until the last two rounds when Hagler stole the fight back. Duran was the first opponent to take Hagler 15 rounds and he did it after injuring his right hand in the 5th round. Hagler himself admitted he had to fight a careful fight with Duran and could not get careless.
I like to watch fighters, and forget about who they are, or their history and just analyze the fighter himself.
If you watch Roberto Duran fight, and forget he is "Roberto Duran", is his skill set really impressive? I say no.
People act as if Duran was some world beater, his best victory was eeking out a decision against a green 21 year old boy who was Ray Leonard at the time. He got a gift decision against Iran Barkley.
There are several alleged "greats" who if you really look at their skills, they are not special. Marciano, Joe Louis, Julio Cesar Chavez are 3 people who come to mind for me.
Go watch ballet, you surely don't know s h I t about Boxing.
Overrated? Look at the quality of his opposition. Watch the nuances. He had deceptive defensive skills, not as easy to hit as many think. He was an intelligent fighter not just some reckless brawler. He legit beat Barkley and almost beat Hagler while fighting with one hand for ten of those 15 rounds. His training and discipline is what hurt him most.
Whoa Whoa, let's not get crazy. The judging for that fight was ridiculous. He did not almost beat Hagler. Not even close.
Sugar Ray Leonard is a top 2 Welterweight of all time. He was 24 when he fought Duran. Duran is the only person with a victory over a prime Ray Leonard.
If you can't see how he maneuvers his opponents arms on the inside to throw combinations while simultaneously stopping them from throwing back, I don't know what to tell you.