BREAKING NEWS: Canelo makes offer to Caleb Plant, Saunders, Smith

Well fighters are cowards. People love to say "fighters who get into the ring isnt a coward" LMFAO STOP IT....... fighters are cowards at times and alot of them become that when faced against the Great Canelo, hell even mawyeather had to tuck tail and eat his words and force a catchweight against the great canelo. So I get it, I understand why figthers turn down the fight and I see now you do too. Have a nice day. you are an idiot I would fight Canelo for $1Million, and would try to give him the beating of his life. You think boxers are scared of him :wtf1:

You are spinning what Barry Hearn said about the way boxing promoters used to tie fighters down with slave contracts in the the old days.And why did they used to do that?

This isn't new what is new is in the age of social media all these deals and details that don't get made are all public. Winky Wright famously turned down a massive career payday offer from Oscar. It was never made public at the time and only came out years later confirmed by both sides that he was offered a contract to fight Oscar but turned it down asking to be paid the same amount Oscar had offered bigger star fighters Trinidad and Mosley. He tried to hold out for more and it backfired Oscar moved on to someone else who cashed in the lottery ticket but in the mid 2000's there was no Twitter and Instagram. Winky famously never got a fraction of the pay he demanded went on to Draw against Jermaine Taylor for a fraction then moved up to fight Hopkins for less money and lost. Refused to fight for 2 yrs as he demanded bigger money when he finally came back lost again for less money to P-Will then sat out 3 yrs for bigger offers and lost to Peter Quillin for peanuts. This is why to date people refer to fighters who make horrible business decisions as going to the Winky Wright School of Boxing Business Absolutely!!! I remember Winky had a reputation as a nutter when it comes to negotiating for a fight. I definitely remember him turning down a De la Hoya fight.

Right on cue about turning this into all about Golovkin.

like I said on the other thread..... John... most of Canelo's critics are whiney golov-cvnts who care what those clowns think, because... Golovkin offered Jacobs " Quillin money ", and then quickly ran off fight Dominic Wade... with NO counter offer, and NO negotiation... that was a take-it-or-leave-it lowball Golovkin then did THE EXACT SAME THING TO SAUNDERS... offered him 1.5m... with NO counter offer, NO negotiation... and then quickly ran off fight Kell Brook... ...Kell Brook made $4-5m+... which is why Hearn said that fight only took 2 days to sign they were willing to split the pot more fairly with Kell Brook... because they actually wanted to fight Kell Brook don't listen to the fukwits who happily ignored all of that there are only about half-a-dozen of them at least Canelo is offering these guys career-high paydays... the guys that Golovkin did not want to fight needed to take a paycut ... what Canelo opponent received an absurd lowball, like Jacobs/Saunders did from Golovkin?

Oscar made the low ball offer to Jermall way back before he fought Jacobs and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with Canelo's opponent for this coming May. Try to get your facts straight. Andrade and Jermall have received no offers to fight Canelo in May. Saunders and Smith have apparently been offered about 4 million which is pretty damn low considering they are both world champions. Jacobs got 15 million and Khan got 13 million to fight Canelo but Callum Smith is supposed to be thrilled to get 4 million????? Callum Smith is coming off a lackluster performance and if he truly believes it's a winnable fight then he should at least come back with a counter-offer. A win over Canelo would be priceless so I wouldn't overplay my hand either.

Plant better put on a show Saturday he could get that fight! I like that fight A LOT actually

None of those fighters can command a big purse. None of them have not done anything significant. Anything they get from Canelo is more than what they would get against anybody by far. Now they are going to do like they did with AJ. People got an opportunity for life changing money and the possibility of beating the man and making more but are too greedy to take the fight. If you have confidence in your ability you jump on the opportunity

Its all good my brother:beerchug: I just try posting actual verifiable facts to shape the narrative that I think is wrong imho,but I often realize afterwards that it sounds fcked up once I already wrote my reply. Bottom line is I just wanted Canelo to fight a champion next as I do every fight of his if he wins prior fight & I feel like fans give certain fighters a free pass by justifying it due to unresearched facts others spread. I actually go out of my way to research all these subjects because I see Canelo is handling himself exactly as the cashcow is supposed to by fighting the best/most lucrative fights nonstop back to back & other fighters are fighting weak opponents, saying hes duckin them,& turning down offers that are allegedly very generous & fighters like Mall have yet to refute it in any way. He admitted to duckin Andrade as far as I'm concerned I hear ya man...it's just hard to say what all is really going on sometimes...hope we get some good fights this year...and yeah when you start to factor in the 'promoter wars' too with all this stuff, it really gets hazy as far as what is really happening...business of boxing sucks sometimes.

I think the bad left hook makes the most sense-whoever accepts the least amount will get the fight. Will be interested in seeing the numbers when Nevada announces the purses whoever gets the fight. Yep we will just have to wait and see my friend

Lol dude I'm not that invested man...just giving my opinion on things and I see no real reason to feel otherwise at this point Its all good my brother:beerchug: I just try posting actual verifiable facts to shape the narrative that I think is wrong imho,but I often realize afterwards that it sounds fcked up once I already wrote my reply. Bottom line is I just wanted Canelo to fight a champion next as I do every fight of his if he wins prior fight & I feel like fans give certain fighters a free pass by justifying it due to unresearched facts others spread. I actually go out of my way to research all these subjects because I see Canelo is handling himself exactly as the cashcow is supposed to by fighting the best/most lucrative fights nonstop back to back & other fighters are fighting weak opponents, saying hes duckin them,& turning down offers that are allegedly very generous & fighters like Mall have yet to refute it in any way. He admitted to duckin Andrade as far as I'm concerned

It's just really hard to know what's going on sometimes...and who is to blame really I think the bad left hook makes the most sense-whoever accepts the least amount will get the fight. Will be interested in seeing the numbers when Nevada announces the purses whoever gets the fight.

I honestly can't figure this out right now. Just a very weird time in the sport. Seeing things never seen before. Canelo keeps having difficulty making fights (well not him, GBP). He has given up the belt twice. Fighters, regardless of promotional affiliation, are turning down deals that are allegedly worth many times what they've ever made before. Meanwhile, the other MW champs are not getting offers to fight him (or allegedly got one a year ago that we just heard about a few weeks ago.) Very strange. It's just really hard to know what's going on sometimes...and who is to blame really

Thats complete bs,every single fight with clauses has had a statement sent to the media which is why fat Dan has reported on each case & made it clear gbp told him. I just explained to you why that whole narrative is bs & yet you persist & brush off the proof I posted that nobody with a 10 lb morning of rehydration was drained like if Canelo made a cw fight,& those guys came in heavier than usual & in Jacobs case it gave him a huge advantage. Remember when the bs narrative was that Canelo was a cruiserweight weightbullying supposed smaller fighters who actually rehydrated just as much or more like Trout,Kirkland,Smith, Lara etc etc & who all are taller than Canelo. Smith is 6'3" ffs Lol dude I'm not that invested man...just giving my opinion on things and I see no real reason to feel otherwise at this point

It's not the first time. Winky turned down a fortune when Oscar wanted to fight him. Manny turned down a fortune for years to fight Floyd refusing the money and then refusing a blood test. Trinidad turned down a fortune rematch with Oscar not once but TWICE. Fans lied and said Kovalev must of been offered a catchweight BS offer that that's why he decided to turn down the money and fight Yarde even his own promoter said it was turned down over money and nothing else. Now you doing the same thing. Stop making up BS about imaginary clauses that none of the promoters say exist and no report says has been attached to the offer. I am not making anything up. I am wondering what might cause fighters to turn the fight down. In no way did I claim definitively there was a clause that caused this. Go away, you are ruining a good discussion.

Well fighters are cowards. People love to say "fighters who get into the ring isnt a coward" LMFAO STOP IT....... fighters are cowards at times and alot of them become that when faced against the Great Canelo, hell even mawyeather had to tuck tail and eat his words and force a catchweight against the great canelo. So I get it, I understand why figthers turn down the fight and I see now you do too. Have a nice day. LMFAO. Canelo is a great fighter. No question. He is also a proven steroid cheat that has voluntarily given up his belt twice. I don't think anyone is afraid of him but I guess his diehard fans have to believe in his invincibility. Floyd did to him what Canelo does to guys that earn less than him so you shouldn't really complain. Same thing ODH did to bhop, bhop just beat his ass.

Yep...good points/posts...I was like 'why would any of these dudes turn down that fight'...and then I think you may have hit it on the head. Not to mention that any contracts probably have NDAs attached as well...where if you do or don't sign, you can't say what stipulations were in the contract or you can get sued perhaps. And then floating out that these guys 'ducked' Canelo just creates the narrative too that Canelo and his team want to engender...that Canelo is too much right now and no one wants to face him. Again good posts...I think you hit it on the head with why some of these guys are 'ducking' that fight. I honestly can't figure this out right now. Just a very weird time in the sport. Seeing things never seen before. Canelo keeps having difficulty making fights (well not him, GBP). He has given up the belt twice. Fighters, regardless of promotional affiliation, are turning down deals that are allegedly worth many times what they've ever made before. Meanwhile, the other MW champs are not getting offers to fight him (or allegedly got one a year ago that we just heard about a few weeks ago.) Very strange.

You don't know what Hearn would state or not. Coppinger posted no rehydration clause yet. he didn't in anyway rule out other clauses so don't extrapolate his post into something else. ODH is not someone I trust. Very possibly this could be a case of simply fighters asking for more money. There are no "Excuses from haters". We are fans discussing why for the first time in the history of the sport the "cash cow" and "face of the sport" can't get people to fight him. we're not having a juvenile mudslinging contest about haters and fanboys or whatever other dumbass term dudes like you love to use. It's not the first time. Winky turned down a fortune when Oscar wanted to fight him. Manny turned down a fortune for years to fight Floyd refusing the money and then refusing a blood test. Trinidad turned down a fortune rematch with Oscar not once but TWICE. Fans lied and said Kovalev must of been offered a catchweight BS offer that that's why he decided to turn down the money and fight Yarde even his own promoter said it was turned down over money and nothing else. Now you doing the same thing. Stop making up BS about imaginary clauses that none of the promoters say exist and no report says has been attached to the offer.

Hearn would state it if the fighters are turning down the offers because of restrictions he's not. And Coppinger reporting there is no clause and that the fighters are asking for more money. Golden boy owner saying the fighters are asking for more money no mention of clauses. This isn't complicated just excuses from haters on why fighters are pricing themselves out which has always existed in boxing we just didn't know about it before social media You don't know what Hearn would state or not. Coppinger posted no rehydration clause yet. he didn't in anyway rule out other clauses so don't extrapolate his post into something else. ODH is not someone I trust. Very possibly this could be a case of simply fighters asking for more money. There are no "Excuses from haters". We are fans discussing why for the first time in the history of the sport the "cash cow" and "face of the sport" can't get people to fight him. we're not having a juvenile mudslinging contest about haters and fanboys or whatever other dumbass term dudes like you love to use.

Yep...good points/posts...I was like 'why would any of these dudes turn down that fight'...and then I think you may have hit it on the head. Not to mention that any contracts probably have NDAs attached as well...where if you do or don't sign, you can't say what stipulations were in the contract or you can get sued perhaps. And then floating out that these guys 'ducked' Canelo just creates the narrative too that Canelo and his team want to engender...that Canelo is too much right now and no one wants to face him. Again good posts...I think you hit it on the head with why some of these guys are 'ducking' that fight. Thats complete bs,every single fight with clauses has had a statement sent to the media which is why fat Dan has reported on each case & made it clear gbp told him. I just explained to you why that whole narrative is bs & yet you persist & brush off the proof I posted that nobody with a 10 lb morning of rehydration was drained like if Canelo made a cw fight,& those guys came in heavier than usual & in Jacobs case it gave him a huge advantage. Remember when the bs narrative was that Canelo was a cruiserweight weightbullying supposed smaller fighters who actually rehydrated just as much or more like Trout,Kirkland,Smith, Lara etc etc & who all are taller than Canelo. Smith is 6'3" ffs