Loma beats a guy moving up 2 divisions, gets called #1 P4P. Canelo moves up 2........

He means Eleider Alvarez. Yu fuking ideit lol He lost twice to Alvarez? Read you dumb fck

Why are you including the Canelo loss? We are talking about before the fight. 2 of kovalev's losses were against the same guy with one being real close. He then avenged the other loss easily In his very next fight. So how in the fck was kovalev "shot" when he recently had a better win than the concencus top 2 guy in the division? How does that make any sense? Linares hasn't beaten anyone,he's trash. I like how youre implying that Alvarez wasn't a good win, that must mean you think Bivol wouldn't be either since Bivol has a very comparable resume to Alvarez. :lol1: How is Walters a better win when he's done NOTHING at 130, while kovalev was a proven champion at 175? You're an idiot �� He means Eleider Alvarez. Yu fuking ideit lol

I didn’t realize you were taking about Lomachenko beating Rigondeaux. No one claims Lomachenko is number one p4p for beating Rigodeaux. The reason Canelo’s light heavyweight run isn’t that impressive is because he moved up one division to fight Kovalev. 2 of his 5 fights prior to Kovalev happened at super middleweight. Also, he fought Kovalev. Kovalev won his title by beating Igor Mikhalkin. Kovalev was 4-3 in his 7 fights before the loss to Canelo. He’s now 4-4 in his past 8, with 3 knockout losses. He’s shot. Canelo's fight right before Kovalev was at 160. That means he moved up two divisions.

I’ve said it seventeen times. Bivol is undefeated and dominates everyone he fights. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights. I don’t know of one example of anyone who’s 4-4 in their last 8 fights who’s ranked ahead of an undefeated champion. If all of Linares’ wins suck, what is Kovalev’s great win? Is it a washed up Bernard Hopkins or Dmitry Bivol’s best win, Jean Pascal? Or is it Alvarez who is only a good win because Alvarez knocked Kovalev out cold in the previous fight? My apologies on the mistake with Walters. I thought the Marriaga fight was at 130. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s a more impressive win than a shot Kovalev. Walters’ win over Donaire is comparable to anyone Kovalev has beaten. Who has Kovalev beaten again? If you’re going to put down a convincing win over Russell Jr., there’s no reason to talk about this anymore. You’re clearly insanely biased. Why are you including the Canelo loss? We are talking about before the fight. 2 of kovalev's losses were against the same guy with one being real close. He then avenged the other loss easily In his very next fight. So how in the fck was kovalev "shot" when he recently had a better win than the concencus top 2 guy in the division? How does that make any sense? Linares hasn't beaten anyone,he's trash. I like how youre implying that Alvarez wasn't a good win, that must mean you think Bivol wouldn't be either since Bivol has a very comparable resume to Alvarez. :lol1: How is Walters a better win when he's done NOTHING at 130, while kovalev was a proven champion at 175? You're an idiot ��

I have never seen nebody comment on not only the size of linares and his back in that fight, but size size and quantity of acne on his back. He was juiced to the gills and still got broke down and acted like he wanted to continue. That liver shot was brutal. he wasn't cheatin if he had a tue!

I’ve said it seventeen times. Bivol is undefeated and dominates everyone he fights. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights. I don’t know of one example of anyone who’s 4-4 in their last 8 fights who’s ranked ahead of an undefeated champion. If all of Linares’ wins suck, what is Kovalev’s great win? Is it a washed up Bernard Hopkins or Dmitry Bivol’s best win, Jean Pascal? Or is it Alvarez who is only a good win because Alvarez knocked Kovalev out cold in the previous fight? My apologies on the mistake with Walters. I thought the Marriaga fight was at 130. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s a more impressive win than a shot Kovalev. Walters’ win over Donaire is comparable to anyone Kovalev has beaten. Who has Kovalev beaten again? If you’re going to put down a convincing win over Russell Jr., there’s no reason to talk about this anymore. You’re clearly insanely biased. I have never seen nebody comment on not only the size of linares and his back in that fight, but size size and quantity of acne on his back. He was juiced to the gills and still got broke down and acted like he wanted to continue. That liver shot was brutal.

didnt they move canelo to p4p #1 after beating kovalev so your whole argument doesnt make any sense.

I’ve said it seventeen times. Bivol is undefeated and dominates everyone he fights. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights. I don’t know. - -Glad you know you don't!

Kovalev didn't get the rest and training needed after the Yarde fight. He came to survive. Not win. He just didn't want to miss the opportunity to collect his biggest payout ever. - -Not Canelo fault Yarde wouldn't take step aside$$$. Kov had 80 days R&R and light sparring for Canelo. Kov #1LH McDonnie Dummy!

Bivol is a top two light heavyweight because he dominates everyone he fights. Kovalev did beat Elieder Alvarez. He also lost to him. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights and has been knocked out 3 times. Canelo Alvarez moved up one division. He’s the WBA “regular” champion at super middleweight and two of his last five fights prior to Kovalev were at super middleweight. Having a better and more significant recent win doesn’t make you the better boxer. For example, Buster Douglas had a better and more significant recent win than Evander Holyfield did prior to their fight and Holyfield destroyed Douglas. There are countless examples that prove your logic is flawed throughout boxing history. Jorge Linares was a two division champion, a unified champion at 135 and hadn’t lost a fight in six years. Oscar Larios and Jesus Chavez compare with anyone Kovalev beat. Nicholas Walters was an undefeated two division champion and has a knockout win over Nonito Donaire, which compares with any win Kovalev has. I guess you agreed that Lomachenkos win over Russell is more impressive than a win over Kovalev. So Bivol is a top 2 light heavweight when his best win is Pascal. A "Shot" Kovalev beat Alvarez who beat Pascal. Canelo then jumped up 2 divisions and beat a "shot" kovalev who actually had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to Bivol. How does that work? Did this dumbass just compare Linares beating Oscar larios and a washed up jesus chavez to every win Kovalev has? Linares has NO great wins on his resume :lol1: Walters WAS NOT a two division champ. Walters beating a a donaire who was way too SMALL for 126 is not comparable to Kovalev's wins :lol1: The russel fight was in 2014 and Russel win is arguable because Russel had done nothing at 126 before fighting loma :lol1:

So beating a smaller man moving up 2 divisions who was way too small for qq 130, who also had no recent significant wins ..... Is better than Canelo moving up 2 divisions and beating A champion in Kovalev who did have a recent significant win What is your IQ? :lol1: Almost assuredly higher than yours; I'd stake big money (not like krazy Shadow69 money, but y'know). Why the goalpost shifting? I thought your brilliant premise was that Canelo was the unassailable p4p king because a win over Kovalev coming (most recently) from 160 apparently just takes a big Hot Carl on everything else all other current top names have done to date. Now it's specifically about whether Rigo or Kov is the better win in a vaccuum? I'd definitely go with Kov with a gun to my head. Which changes nothing about any of my points, least of all that this isn't how p4p is factored (who did the most recent semi-noteworthy thing? Automatic #1!), at least by those behind the curtain of "official" lists. I won't rhetorically ask your IQ, because I'm pretty confident this entire thread is a disingenuous exercise in keyboard karate and you understand why it's bunk

You can't just consider the weights... You have to consider previous performances. Rigo didn't get KOed twice before fighting Loma, Kovalev did. Rigo wasn't on the brink of getting stopped in his previous fight, Kovalev was. Rigo didn't look like a shot/scared fighter. Kovalev has been fighting like he got neutered for his last 3 fights.

Rigo is perfectly comparable imo, but even if we all pretended Kovalev was the incredible fight/win that you are clearly invested in insisting it is seemingly for purposes of personal identity (a winner backing a stone cold winner! lol), why would I need to, when p4p is about the sum total of accomplishments to date and not any one specific factor being compared 1:1? Apparently, key people who ostensibly know more about boxing than you (or are at least being paid to flap their gums) beg to differ that the win over Kovalev in of itself outshines the sum of Loma's career to date, even if personally I'm inclined to agree the latter doesn't necessarily have a win that bests or at least blows away Kov. At best you have your nebulous, arbitrary reasoning locked in a stalemate against everyone else's. Congrats! This is precisely why p4p is such horse **** to begin with. So beating a smaller man moving up 2 divisions who was way too small for 130, who also had no recent significant wins ..... Is better than Canelo moving up 2 divisions and beating A champion in Kovalev who did have a recent significant win What is your IQ? :lol1:

Bivol is a top two light heavyweight because he completely dominates everyone he fights. Kovalev did beat Elieder Alvarez. He was also knocked cold by elieder alvarez which is one of his three recent knockout losses. He’s 4-4 in his last 8 fights, which is why no one rated him above Bivol. Having a better and more recent significant win doesn’t make you better than someone else. See every upset ever. Kovalev is 4-4 in his last 8 fights and three of those losses have come by knockout, which is why no one rates him over Bivol. Lomachenko’s wins over Gary Russell Jr., Jorge Linares and Nicholas Walters are better than Canelo Alvarez’s win over Kovalev. I even understand the argument for Rigodeaux being a better win than Kovalev. Canelo Alavrez moved up one division. He’s the WBA “regular” champ at super middleweight and two of his previous five fights before Kovalev were at super middleweight. So Bivol is a top 2 light heavweight when his best win is Pascal. A "Shot" Kovalev beat Alvarez who beat Pascal. Canelo then jumped up 2 DIVISIONS and beat a "shot" kovalev who actually had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to Bivol. How does that work? Who tf has Linares beaten? Walters is better when he's done nothing at 130? How does this make any sense :rofl:

So in other words, you can't name a win on loma's resume that compares? Rigo is perfectly comparable imo, but even if we all pretended Kovalev was the incredible fight/win that you are clearly invested in insisting it is seemingly for purposes of personal identity (a winner backing a stone cold winner! lol), why would I need to, when p4p is about the sum total of accomplishments to date and not any one specific factor being compared 1:1? Apparently, key people who ostensibly know more about boxing than you (or are at least being paid to flap their gums) beg to differ that the win over Kovalev in of itself outshines the sum of Loma's career to date, even if personally I'm inclined to agree the latter doesn't necessarily have a win that bests or at least blows away Kov. At best you have your nebulous, arbitrary reasoning locked in a stalemate against everyone else's. Congrats! This is precisely why p4p is such horse **** to begin with.

Nah, you're just a bitch. Even Loma himself didn't want the credit for making Rigo quit, because he knew Rigo was smaller. Canelo moved up and fought a damaged Kovalev who showed up for a payday and refused to even throw a proper jab, let alone trying to win. Kovalev was "damaged" and "shot" according to you guys but had a better and more recent significant win in comparison to the consensus top two 175 pounder in the world, Bivol. How does this make any sense? :lol1:

Loma was only a 3/1 favorite over little Rigo and yet Canelo was a huge 7/1 favorite over the scary big Kovalev, makes you think......

The obvious point is that Loma and Canelo's respective "industry expert" placements in the p4p rankings stem from more than just this one thing (ur durr beating Kovalev) that you have arbitrarily made the measuring stick (e.g. tying that one other guy for winning a title in fewest number of pro fights, becoming 3 div champ in record time etc) whether you agree with their subjective reasoning in the aggregate or not. The whole premise is idiotic. So in other words, you can't name a win on loma's resume that compares?

Canelo moving up 2 divisions to beat Kovalev was one of the biggest wins of the last decade. There are a lot of fighters who won't even face the best guys in their own weight class let alone 2 weight divisions above. Thats why Canelo is P4P #1.

I didn’t realize you were taking about Lomachenko beating Rigondeaux. No one claims Lomachenko is number one p4p for beating Rigodeaux. The reason Canelo’s light heavyweight run isn’t that impressive is because he moved up one division to fight Kovalev. 2 of his 5 fights prior to Kovalev happened at super middleweight. Also, he fought Kovalev. Kovalev won his title by beating Igor Mikhalkin. Kovalev was 4-3 in his 7 fights before the loss to Canelo. He’s now 4-4 in his past 8, with 3 knockout losses. He’s shot. that is not true at all, he defended it against him