I am interested in seeing what type of payday these two fighters are looking at. Makes it interesting because of what will happen if the winner fights Anthony Joshua.
The 3 million is paid upfront which is why it gets reported to the commission. That’s for tax purposes. Now the 20 million guaranteed could be paid out over a number of years. I remember Floyd bragging during the Cotto build up that he was still getting checks from the De La Hoya fight. And that’s what 5 years after the fact.
thats because floyd has his payouts specifically structured like that....he gets a check every month...he might not have even seen a dime from the mcgregor fight yet
not sure every guy has something like that....but still youre right...guys are getting more than their listed purses...its common knowledge...fighters have confirmed and proven it.....but the pbc haters are still in denial because its just easier for them to deny and then act like every offer they "turn down" is amazing....that storyline is convenient for them
Believe what you want. As for myself I try not to count another person’s money.
... though:
Wilders made more money than he could ever dream of in his last 2 fights. And his last to KO’s have gone viral.
How as fans can we know if any of that is true? Fans arguing over which fighters make the most is like trying to argue over which college football players are being paid the most. There's so much shadiness going on that we really have no idea who is being paid what.
Believe what you want. As for myself I try not to count another person’s money.
Fighters are giving up plenty to fight on DAZN. They get paid plenty but get less exposure. For now, anyway. And they risk being frozen out by the established players while they are DAZN fighters.
Then I suppose there is debate about what these fights generate for DAZN. Nothing is a one off for them. It's a subscription and a startup. They won't measure return in the same way a network PPV would.
Fox and ESPN might spend to stay competitive... but they'd only do it for a good reason. ie some future expectation. Who wants to be competitive in a loss making industry?
Fantastic post! Green'd :D
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Toffee again.
Is that really true though?
DAZN is clearly spending way more than the fights are generating. Isn't it possible other platforms would have to do the same sometimes to compete?
Fighters are giving up plenty to fight on DAZN. They get paid plenty but get less exposure. For now, anyway. And they risk being frozen out by the established players while they are DAZN fighters.
Then I suppose there is debate about what these fights generate for DAZN. Nothing is a one off for them. It's a subscription and a startup. They won't measure return in the same way a network PPV would.
Fox and ESPN might spend to stay competitive... but they'd only do it for a good reason. ie some future expectation. Who wants to be competitive in a loss making industry?
The only tool you have is your common sense. If the fight doesn't generate it, then the boxer isn't getting it.
Is that really true though?
DAZN is clearly spending way more than the fights are generating. Isn't it possible other platforms would have to do the same sometimes to compete?
How as fans can we know if any of that is true? Fans arguing over which fighters make the most is like trying to argue over which college football players are being paid the most. There's so much shadiness going on that we really have no idea who is being paid what.
love your name. you are the true representation of the belt orgs. there is a fraud on here who is 3/4 the man you are
The 3 million is paid upfront which is why it gets reported to the commission. That’s for tax purposes. Now the 20 million guaranteed could be paid out over a number of years. I remember Floyd bragging during the Cotto build up that he was still getting checks from the De La Hoya fight. And that’s what 5 years after the fact.
How as fans can we know if any of that is true? Fans arguing over which fighters make the most is like trying to argue over which college football players are being paid the most. There's so much shadiness going on that we really have no idea who is being paid what.
I'm sure they'll be earning enough to make it worthwhile turning up.
I do find it odd that what should absolutely be the biggest HW fight in years (from a boxing fan's perspective) seems lower key than Joshua Ruiz 2. Will they earn anything close to AJ's earnings in that fight?
If it were anywhere near what Wilder turned down for AJ we would know. We knew what Oscar, Manny, Floyd, Canelo and other stars were making well before the fight. PPV upside won’t be that big with two promoters and networks getting their cut first. I think it will do good numbers but I don’t see it as a million PPV number. I say 600k or slightly better.
I don't know how any fan would know which numbers to believe. When ESPN tweets that a fighter's purse was listed at 3 million, but they're really guaranteed 20 million, which number should I believe? I don't have access to the fighter's bank account.
The problem isn't knowing what to believe. It's choosing to believe the higher number when it suits.
A tweet from Rafael being picked up by legitimate news organisations and included in articles saying " is reported to be getting..." isn't news.
Yes, we know the fighter gets more than the official purse. Officially they'll get those fees for things that are on the periphery of the actual fight and pay tax for them somewhere else (likely somewhere with little to no tax).
The only tool you have is your common sense. If the fight doesn't generate it, then the boxer isn't getting it. A cheque might even get handed over, but he's giving something else up of value.
I don't know how any fan would know which numbers to believe. When ESPN tweets that a fighter's purse was listed at 3 million, but they're really guaranteed 20 million, which number should I believe? I don't have access to the fighter's bank account.
The 3 million is paid upfront which is why it gets reported to the commission. That’s for tax purposes. Now the 20 million guaranteed could be paid out over a number of years. I remember Floyd bragging during the Cotto build up that he was still getting checks from the De La Hoya fight. And that’s what 5 years after the fact.
They probably do not have fixed income but a share from the PPV. So, impossible to guess right now what they will be making. Usually, it is base pay + share of the revenue (PPV sales, sponsors, live gate tickets, TV rights, etc.). So, at most, you may get the "guaranteed base pay" numbers but will probably never get the total pay.
But, why are people so much interested in what other people are making?
They are doing separate PPV’s, ESPN/Top Rank keeps theirs and FOX/PBC keeps theirs. So it depends on how much each platform sells in terms of PPV. Or how many of their subscribers actually buy the fight from their side of the platform. Which one does the fans prefer? ESPN or FOX?