Thoughts on Wilder and Fury’s recent comments

the actual Championship has no value, and the actual Champion isn't really holding a real belt that can be won and lost in the ring The actual WBC world championship has a lot of value. Which is why unlike the mandatories of most organizations, the WBC mandatories at middleweight and lightweight were highly regarded fighters. Which is why the former champions chose to vacate to duck those fighters. Nothing new in boxing. Canelo or Lomachenko having the right to challenge for the belt again another time, or challenge for the belt in a new weight class, is a nice and convenient honor, but it doesn't change the fact that they vacated their world titles and ducked their mandatories. There is no confusion about who the WBC world champion is.

Wrong. Franchise is an award, not a belt. It can't be won or lost. It can't be transfered. You're partially correct, but that's pretty much what I said. They hold that title regardless now. Can't lose it. Hence the actual Championship has no value, and the actual Champion isn't really holding a real belt that can be won and lost in the ring. You said they could challenge for the Championship belt. Can they? I'm assuming that if the likes of Canelo beat a WBC Champion then that Championship belt goes vacant, just as it did when it was held prior to being made Franchise champion. The WBC World Champion belt is worthless.

This fight won't exceed 2 million purchases like Bob wants. Such garbage promotion & lack of entertaining / witty smack talk

who is saying that? If this account had written what you claimed, you would have posted a link instead of changing the subject. You know you're lying. It's pathetic.

You're lying as always. Making up things nobody said. who is saying that? is that you ibf? is it wbc? wba? come on guys i can't tell who is who. you are 3 guys remember. you claimed that yourself so how the hell do you know what you said when its 3 different people? cut the crap you are really working for the wbo aren't you?

oh i think that was the ibf guy who said pac wasnt the lineal champ. You're lying as always. Making up things nobody said.

You're lying again. Pacquiao vs Bradley was the top two in the eyes of many experts, but nowhere close to a consensus. So many respected publications didn't consider the winner lineal, but many also did. I offered no opinion. oh i think that was the ibf guy who said pac wasnt the lineal champ. could you arouse him from his slumber and have him log on. sorry i know its annoying having 3 different people on one account but that was your choice :fing02:

yet you just claimed pac wasn't lineal champ when he has the designation whether or not you like it. partisan hack at it again. You're lying again. Pacquiao vs Bradley was the top two in the eyes of many experts, but nowhere close to a consensus. So many respected publications didn't consider the winner lineal, but many also did. I offered no opinion.

As usual, you're lying. I never posted from an alt account, I never tried to get out of the bet with Robbie and while I personally never considered Fury the lineal champion because I never considered Wladimir the lineal champion, I don't get to decide that. The public accepted Wladimir as lineal champion and they accept Fury as lineal champion. yet you just claimed pac wasn't lineal champ when he has the designation whether or not you like it. partisan hack at it again. you see this is the problem with having 3 people sharing 1 account. 1 of those people is bound to be an azzhole.

What belt would they hold? They hold the franchise belt. Wrong. Franchise is an award, not a belt. It can't be won or lost. It can't be transfered.

You do sound like a bit of a buzzkill type, but, yer an honorable **** so it's absolutely respectable. When though? When the English took over boxing. Not being disrespectful to the English. It's like this: In Greece and Rome boxing was a pagan ritual in honor of the god Apollo. So, while there is the character Theaganese during the late Archaic period in Greece the manner in which he dishonored the gods and was thereby fined was so nominal today we'd not bat an eye, he took such pains to beat his rival as to not be able to compete in other, nonboxing, events that he'd signed up for. Their speech, their conduct, it was religious, they were on their best behaviour. Christendom did not box because of it is a ritual in honor of Apollo, and so after sometime it became known as Satanic as Satan took over as the bad guy in public psyche and Apollo was forgotten about. When the renaissance and enlightenment rolled around in Europe it became super cool for aristocrats from England to go to places like Greece to dig up things like dead gods and their rituals. Our first account of an English boxing match to feature details of the match is from James Figg, but, we do have record of boxing taken place on the isle before Figg's time in the mid-early 1600s as a man named Richard Dover attempted to revive the olympics with an English spin. Being Christians, of course the new form of boxing could not be in honor of Apollo so the early English Fancy they called themselve, backers, focused on boxing being a sport of honor that features representatives from regions in honor of that region. A champion from say Liverpool is not necessarily the best man from Liverpool but rather a man representing Liverpool. Until around Figg's own era when Figg himself took pains to become champion of all of England. He did that by taking on champions from every region until no champion could or would fight him in that region. Figg's first international challenge comes from Veneto. Figg declined the fight and actually retired and deferred his championship to his pupil Bob Whittaker who defeated the foreign threat and upheld English honor. That's how champion became hand-in-hand with best of a region or nation. The guys who would seek to fight for England's honor or against it would have to challenge Bob and so only the best from say Liverpool or London or where ever would be able to make that challenge because while boasting about why they should be able to fight the English champion they'd get their own challenges along the way and use those challenges as proof of their ability and rightful position as a legitimate challenger. And so now Olympians are replaced by Champions and champions make their name and prove they are champion by speaking publicly and answering challenges that come from those public orations. By 1780 you've your first public **** talker. Daniel The Jew Mendoza. His bit was rubbing his "jewishness" into his English audience's noses because at the time they were anti semitic. It is the tale end of the Inquisition after all and while England is not Iberia it's not exactly friendly to jews either. He takes out space in local papers, issues challenges, insults "Englishness", charges for tickets to see his fights, a first, fights defensively, also a first, and mocks his opponents and their fans. He was seen as a sneaky, cowardly, greedy, deceptive Jew and he did take great pains to be as Jewish as he could be for the public that hated Jews. From there the **** talker, the real deal, going out of their way to be crass, harsh, and unsavoury, was born along with promoting, ticket sales, and defensive boxing. Can’t give you more green yet; thank you for a great and informative reply

So what? It just means if a big star vacates their world title, they're being granted a future world title shot if they want one. Meanwhile, Joshua holds a "super championship" and isn't even recognized as a world champion by the organization he's the champion of. What belt would they hold? They hold the franchise belt. That's the only WBC belt they will hold. WBC made their own championship belt worthless. His mandatory failed a doping test and it wasn't his first time. While the failure was being investigated, a new mandatory was named. Wilder's mandatory is considered the best figher in the world. Joshua's mandatory is Pulev. Joshua's mandatory is the guy who is mandatory. It's pretty straightforward. Wilder's is the guy he was already fighting in a voluntary defence with a rematch clause. He had a mandatory who was not banned. Very simple. Whyte's clearance was for the media, not the fans. They never withdrew his mandatory for a failed test - who told them he failed a test? Certainly not UKAD or VADA. I couldn't care less about Whyte but the WBC had no basis on which to do what they did. Decades of purse bid results show it's the most valuable title. Fighters always talk of growing up dreaming of the green belt, nobody grows up dreaming of the raisin belt. It's the belt founded by the BBBoC and EBU. If the BBBoC is the real British title and the EBU is the real European title, then the WBC is the real world title. There's no single 'real' title. Don't be so silly. It's the only of the four titles without a bribery scandal. The WBA and IBF have been confirmed to have sold their rankings for years. The WBO was founded by the leader of the WBA's bribery operation. They have enough scandals. Try the Wilder/Fury case above. That's scandalous. Go on tell me Wilder's mandatories in his 5 years as champ. It's shocking isn't it? You're a boxing fan. How can you just accept this?

No, but I do remember the PBC shills at this site rubbishing Fury's lineal title claim after he pulled out of the immediate rematch with Wilder. I'm pretty sure you were one of them, posting from the alt account you created to get out of your ban bet with Robbie Barret. As usual, you're lying. I never posted from an alt account, I never tried to get out of the bet with Robbie and while I personally never considered Fury the lineal champion because I never considered Wladimir the lineal champion, I don't get to decide that. The public accepted Wladimir as lineal champion and they accept Fury as lineal champion.

Joshua calls the shots Not anymore. Most experts consider him #3 in the division and he's about to be stuck in mandatory hell while the two biggest heavyweight fights of 2020 won't involve him. Fury and Wilder need to dare to be great They're daring to be great by fighting each other. Most experts consider them the top two heavyweights in the world. Fighting each other is the biggest challenge.

No, but I do remember the PBC shills at this site rubbishing Fury's lineal title claim after he pulled out of the immediate rematch with Wilder. I'm pretty sure you were one of them, posting from the alt account you created to get out of your ban bet with Robbie Barret. Have you ever known a fan group to flip flop with their narratives like these PBC defence force? At one point literally every argument for why Joshua isnt an A side over Wilder was the direct opposite of why Errol Spence IS the A side over Crawford.

Do you recall anyone beating him? No, but I do remember the PBC shills at this site rubbishing Fury's lineal title claim after he pulled out of the immediate rematch with Wilder. I'm pretty sure you were one of them, posting from the alt account you created to get out of your ban bet with Robbie Barret.

So Fury is the lineal champion again now? Do you recall anyone beating him?

Wilder and Fury are both undefeated and hold the two most respected championships in boxing, the WBC world heavyweight championship and the lineal world heavyweight championship. Joshua quit in a fight six months ago. So Fury is the lineal champion again now? :lol1:

I honestly think any top boxer can say what fury and wilder are saying as most in public eye arent shy and shrinking violets. Shy people dont reach the top in sport or a lot of fields be it politics, medicine, doctors, sportsmen, actors. I wouldnt say it but im not fury or wilder.

Fury and Wilder are protected frauds who ducked career high jackpots to fight Joshua last year. And Joshua ducked career high jackpots to fight them. And?