I suppose this is why the US isnt producing those elite HWs anymore.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/45899704 For the four-year Olympic boxing cycle that runs from Rio to Tokyo, GB boxing has been given more than £14m. Medals means money. Compare that to American amateur boxing, where the USA team from 1999 to 2015 were given $14m (£10.6m). so the GB boxing set up has received £14m over 4years from 2016 to 2020 the US has only received $14m in 16 years from 99 to 15. This is even worse when you consider at one stage the value of the pound to dollar was much higher, i remember buying US dollars at $1.9 to the pound around 2005. so that $14m is more like £8-9m..over a 16 yr period. This is a pretty sad story tbh. I remember Angel Garcia talking about how bad it was at amateur level. I also believe race comes into it. The GB set up, even without going to the olympics the likes of tony Bellew, BJS, Josh Taylor, Groves and many many more went through that system, they all trained in the same gyms around olympic coaches. From the uk perspective, amateur/olympic boxing is multicultural. There aren't many white people in the US set up. I imagine a load of coloured kids..and therefore i imagine the US government not giving a single **** about them. I also put this down to the fact that the US government used to spend heavily on athletes at olympic level during the cold war era to beat the Russians. Both the Russians and Americans were heavily into PED use. The fallout/bad press from that aswell as the lack of incentive there was during the cold war era...and deep down that race issue too prob led to the US government basically abandoning funded into olympic level boxing. the US has 5x the population of britain and it was over a 16yr period. In comparison to that £14m figure the UK team have received, the US should have received £280m...not a measley $14. you can imagine the number of facilities, state of the art equipment, coaches, sports scientists etc..right down to scouting talent that US amateur boxing has missed out on. I know this sounds corny...but the US really is the land of rugged individualism and to make it through all of that..youve got to have a special quality about you. honestly...ive got a little bit of extra respect for those elite american boxers who did make it through now and it explains why people would rather go through other sports where they have the coaches and facilities.

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hahahahaha to all my Jewish homies in here he was just kidding lol not kidding by much. there are fairy tale hollowcost stories of being saved and fed by wolves and many more made up fiction

6y ago

giant_king

Oy Vey you are right. I was in one of the camps and the Germans were taking drugs to make them strong. one German broke the necks of 3 million jews without stopping or getting tired. I was able to sneak under the fence by stripping naked. it was 30 below zero and I was dying but a pack of wolves found me and protected me and fed me. then I walked 1000 miles to safety hahahahaha to all my Jewish homies in here he was just kidding lol

6y ago

nacho_daddy

lol well facts are the facts buddy.If you look at the history of roids and were it started.It started in Germany in the 1930s.testosterone was the first of many kind that was used originally to treat depression then the Russians used it on there athletes in the 1950s.And Hitler had his chemist take a crack at it as well.he wanted to dominate the Olympics but failed do to Jessie Owens.And now you look at today's Europe it's no different when it comes to there beliefs about body enhancement drugs.So yea i would say my points here are valid Oy Vey you are right. I was in one of the camps and the Germans were taking drugs to make them strong. one German broke the necks of 3 million jews without stopping or getting tired. I was able to sneak under the fence by stripping naked. it was 30 below zero and I was dying but a pack of wolves found me and protected me and fed me. then I walked 1000 miles to safety

6y ago

nacho_daddy

6y ago

nacho_daddy

guys like joey and nick bosa...and chase young...can make 40 mil guaranteed by age 22....and theyll be avaible for a new contract by 25/26 which could be massive....and theres tons of guys like this guys in the nba are making 12-15 mil a year to play 15-20 mins a night and come off the bench..... compare that to the american boxing landscape where it takes years to build your name to the point where youre making 4 mil a fight.... yea but it seems football is worse for brain injuries then boxing

6y ago

Inspired

So you never heard of those two brothers from the Ukraine then. i was half asleep when i wrote that post, i meant 'between USA and UK'. the reason im talking about black people specifically is because it's an easier comparison between the 2 countries. We have 1.8m black people in boxing, yet there are more elite black british HWs than american. What makes sense to me now is that if you're a big black guy in the US, you have Basketball and Football to go to. Eg wilder and brezeale are failed basketballers..which shows they'd rather have had a career than than in boxing. if you're a 5ft9 140lb black kid in america, you're not going to either of those sports, which is why there are plenty of elite black american boxers at those levels, you with me? meanwhile if you're a 5ft9 140lb black kid in the UK, you want to be a a football/soccer player (even the **** ones these days at on £100k a week). then you also have mma in the US.

6y ago

Sparked_26

Lottery funding is why we’ve improved exponentially in he Olympic medal tables. So all sports reallty. If you’ve belt a velodrome people are gonna cycle in it. If you’ve an Olympic canoe circuit or whatever that’s actually called people are going to use it. Also Britain is really small. We can get people into these national programs and they can travel there. We’re probably on the cusp of a real golden age in British sport generally.

6y ago

buge

Hitler had his chemist take a crack at it as well.he wanted to dominate the Olympics but failed do to Jessie Owens. 1936 Olympics: https://i.imgur.com/PUxLTg4.jpg

6y ago

giant_king

So you think that Europe, as an entire continent is now just like Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia? And that Europe is solely predicated on steroid use in boxing????? You’re painting 740 million people with the same Nazi AND Soviet brush??? Stop. Just stop because you make yourself look more and more stupid with each post.No I'm just simply stating were it started and were it continues to be an issue.I don't know why people try to hide behind the facts and act like its not a issue.come on man.let's be real here.

6y ago

D4thincarnation

btw, im only bringing up 'the blacks' here because i believe between usa and america, it is the blacks primarily who dominate the HW scene. Fury is an anamoly, he is gypsy, unorthodox and a bit special..but like for like, the usa should have 10 versions comparable to AJ, Whyte and Dubois. whether it is due to these big athletically gifted black kids going into other sports, or the lack of funding which may stunt their development, for some reason murica has produced Wilder (and he is barely a boxer), Miller, Charles Martin. i guess the reason why for example you have Crawford, Spence jr, porter at WW for example..is because those normal height guys dont excel in the nba and nfl..so boxing is the only place for those guys to d. basically there must be a load of hidden deontay wilder's in the NBA. So you never heard of those two brothers from the Ukraine then.

6y ago

Inspired

6y ago

Inspired

Great points. The US isn't producing heavyweights yet we have the best heavy and the guy that beat England's best...imagine if we WERE producing heavyweights? i obv dont entirely agree with him eg wilder did lose to Fury..and ruiz is pretty much a mexican who got lucky...not even discounting the probability that the aj fights werent fixed to game the betting odds. However, the overall point is the same, yes, there ought to be way more than just wilder and miller...and the almighty Lord Charles Martin. there are 2 ways to look at it. if AJ was receiving 30k a yr during his olympic days and Wilder was receiving a lot less, then naturally aj had the upper hand. Yet, it could be argued that that makes the Americans much tougher and hungrier given the higher adversity/lack of opportunities they're given if this is what the US has right now, imagine if amateur level boxers were paid or training in well funded gyms with better facilities, how good would they be? when i was a kid, i remember the americans absolutely dominating brits in athletics/olympics. then i remember the fallout from the likes of marion jones cheating. the source/origin of the cheating doesnt matter, the bad press destroyed peoples sense of pride i guess..now no one cares if the US gets the most medals. remember the US is 5x bigger than the uk..and i have to bring race into it too 45m blacks in the USA and only 1.8m in the uk. so we have AJ, Whyte, Dubois at HW right now (from the blacks)...it stands to reason if they were equally funded..the US should have far far more elite HW boxers...black boxers.

6y ago

Inspired

Race has nothing to do with it. No one, in this day and age, says, “Well, there’s a lot of black and Latino folks in boxing. Screw them.” I’m sure the U.S. basketball team isn’t treated with contempt. The U.S. simply doesn’t support sports with public money. In Britain it’s expected that elite athletes will be on the public dole. The U.S. has never embraced that. Furthermore, boxing is a very popular sport in the U.K. It isn’t in America. Makes sense that the U.K. would find it more heavily. Finally, while PEDs have always been a problem in America, they never had a state-sponsored doping program. The USSR did. in the US, the NBA has 24% whites. The NFL has 28% whites. how many white americans are actively boxing right now? its a minority sport right now.. USA boxing received very little money. other sports receive a lot more than boxing. make of that what you will. no, boxing isnt more popular in the uk than the usa. it is only the 7th-10th most popular sport in the uk. it is jus funded better than the american counterparts.

6y ago

ShoulderRoll

IMO, the best Heavyweight is American. Also the best Heavyweight from England, Anthony Joshua, was dethroned by an American. Although that American is too lazy to consistently stay at the top and AJ took full advantage of that in the rematch. Great points. The US isn't producing heavyweights yet we have the best heavy and the guy that beat England's best...imagine if we WERE producing heavyweights?

6y ago

Inspired

1) The govt. does not fund it. It is funded by profits from the lottery. 2) Whyte was world class kick boxer, Joshua was a novice, that is why he beat Joshua in the amateurs. 3) Many other GB fighters never came through that Team GB squad, such as Fury and Dubois. There is a lot of money in US boxing, but if you don't give any back, you get this dearth in talent. 1) You're right, the World Class Programme and Athlete performance award is Lottery funded, but UK sport, who allocate those funds accordingly, are a government agency. It's all bureaucracy at the end of the day. How government agencies decide money should be divided. 2) Whilst you're right about Whyte, i'm talking about his lack of development later down the line in comparison to AJ's growth. if Whyte had kickboxing training that enabled him to be better than AJ at one stage, why did he fall so far back later? Did AJ receive a bursary during his olympic days? of course he did. 3) you dont have to be an olympian to receive a bursary. You only need to be an athlete. Fury represented England and Ireland in various tournies. Although i think of these gypsy boxers as an exception anyway because boxing is in their culture. Daniel dubois may not have been an olympian, but he trained in Olympic boxing programme in sheffield. on some level they were part of a system that has funding on some level. they werent coming up from nowhere like many do in the US. i think claressa shields once talked about this too, the lack of funding in the USA compared to the uk.

6y ago

PRINCEKOOL

Audley Harrison is the reason as to why? Boxing gets funding as a Olympic sport within the UK. Up until his Gold Medal boxing was not really being backed by the government etc In general I do not think US Olympic Sports receive much funding from the government. It is their collegiate programs which develops athletes 'And boxing is not really a sport you see many people gaining scholarships from'

6y ago

Tails

I don't necessarily think it has so much to do with more popular sports although I am sure that does have some effect on the talent pool. But on a more basic level. Most people are tentative to fight someone they think can beat them. In boxing you are going against someone your size and eventually you are going to run into some skilled people. For heavyweight sized people I'd imagine they are hesitant to willingly fight someone their size since they are used to being much bigger than everyone else growing up.

6y ago

Mikeh333

I also believe race comes into it. There aren't many white people in the US set up. I imagine a load of coloured kids..and therefore i imagine the US government not giving a single **** about them. Race has nothing to do with it. No one, in this day and age, says, “Well, there’s a lot of black and Latino folks in boxing. Screw them.” I’m sure the U.S. basketball team isn’t treated with contempt. The U.S. simply doesn’t support sports with public money. In Britain it’s expected that elite athletes will be on the public dole. The U.S. has never embraced that. Furthermore, boxing is a very popular sport in the U.K. It isn’t in America. Makes sense that the U.K. would find it more heavily. Finally, while PEDs have always been a problem in America, they never had a state-sponsored doping program. The USSR did.

6y ago

D4thincarnation

that's the end result of america not investing enough money in boxing at amateur/olympics level. what is $300m to the US government? let me show you a difference Dillian whyte was banned at amateur level boxing because of his kickboxing background. As a result, despite beating AJ in the amaturs, he fell way behind. AJ was receiving the creme de la creme in facilities and knowledge..with sports scientists, coaches etc whilst whyte was training out of his garade. the difference is that AJ is a far more accomplished fighter. to make it in the US from amateur levels shows you must have a lot of perseverance. 1) The govt. does not fund it. It is funded by profits from the lottery. 2) Whyte was world class kick boxer, Joshua was a novice, that is why he beat Joshua in the amateurs. 3) Many other GB fighters never came through that Team GB squad, such as Fury and Dubois. There is a lot of money in US boxing, but if you don't give any back, you get this dearth in talent.

6y ago

Kev

6y ago