This is a terrific post and something I have been writing about here for years.
No idea what constitutes a star in the US if the likes of Davis, Spence, Canelo and Wilder are "stars".
Europe in the last twenty years has had Naz, Wlad, Vitali, Hatton, Calzaghe, Khan, Froch and now AJ. Guy who can top millions of views on terrestrial TV, thousands in arenas and millions on PPV with general recognition among casual fans or the general public. I can't think of a major US fighter other than Mayweather to come close to that in the same time?
Even Canelo is not an exact star (how many people walking the street outside of Mexico would recognise him?) but at least he is, from what I hear, recognisable in Mexico. But his PPV numbers are nowhere near what AJ is pulling in.
The false economy of US boxing, high paid fighters fighting bums, killed HBO (As I predicted in 2015) and will soon drive Showtime away from boxing and likely have PBC go under in a few years time.
nice post... can you bring me lumpia and jolly bee?
Im not even sure what constitutes being a Star in American means anymore. Seems to me what was once seen as poor numbers is now good numbers cuz the overall popularity of the Sport has dropped in the States. They still estimate PPV's being sold in their millions but then the actual figures never seem to break half a million. There is only 1 fighter on the planet doing PPV's by the million and thats not happening in the States.
I heard there were about 14k paid up customers in attendance for Tank v Gamboa. That sounds a decent number. I suspect the TV ratings will be decent too. I think Tank Davis has the drawing power to be a PPV star but just like fighters before him he needs to be facing better opposition to get him over the line. This is where they keep falling down, they build them up but then start to stutter and stall when it comes to making the real big fights but its the real big fights that will get you the numbers. Thats what the fans are waiting for.
It seems certain guys over in America are under the impression they can TELL fans who is and who isnt a star but its the fans that decide that and American Casual Boxing fans, just like any nations Casual Boxing fans are not that casual that they will have the wool pulled over their eyes. They know what is a big fight or risky fight or a walk over. Thats why Wilders popularity never exploded and thats why Wilder is angry and is having to DEMAND TO BE A STAR. Hes going around telling fans they SHOULD love him. What a sad state of affairs it is with that joke of a fighter. The fans just wanted him to be in fights that were dangerous or tested him, known dangerous opposition. But he kept going with the bums. Its a clear link why Wilder isnt a superstar and cant sell PPV's while he sits with one of the worst resumes a champ has ever had.
This is a terrific post and something I have been writing about here for years.
No idea what constitutes a star in the US if the likes of Davis, Spence, Canelo and Wilder are "stars".
Europe in the last twenty years has had Naz, Wlad, Vitali, Hatton, Calzaghe, Khan, Froch and now AJ. Guy who can top millions of views on terrestrial TV, thousands in arenas and millions on PPV with general recognition among casual fans or the general public. I can't think of a major US fighter other than Mayweather to come close to that in the same time?
Even Canelo is not an exact star (how many people walking the street outside of Mexico would recognise him?) but at least he is, from what I hear, recognisable in Mexico. But his PPV numbers are nowhere near what AJ is pulling in.
The false economy of US boxing, high paid fighters fighting bums, killed HBO (As I predicted in 2015) and will soon drive Showtime away from boxing and likely have PBC go under in a few years time.
Most of the celebrities they showed in the audience were retired basketball players and other boxers. Black Hollywood doe. Where was Tyler Perry and Oprah?
His team will need to get creative to overcome that pathetic performance last night. I suspect they will be begging and blowing Santa Cruz to come up to 135 so they can attract a recognized name. They will need a stacked undercard to sell his next fight.
- -BoyFloyd wouldnt allow Tanksy to take that fight.
You see something in Garcia that I don't. He is good and has some potential. Definitely not someone that Tank's team would duck.
Shaq was saying that he was dragged to the fight. Something tells me a lot of the celebs were probably pressured to support tank and probably given free tickets.
People forget that Mayweather wasn’t doing million plus PPV numbers until he fought the biggest crossover star in the sport in Oscar.
That fight, and especially the 24/7 series really put him over the top.
Tank doesn’t have a guy like that in his future so his prospects of being a mainstream star are limited.
Lol .. the only one emotional and triggered is you. As soon as he mentioned Wilder... you stood up and ran in here 😂
... yes... and this isn't about the HW division...
Because you got find out 😂 “I couldn’t care less about Wilder” but hey someone mentioned his name in a Tank Davis”s thread.... (Triggered)... captain save a hoe is here.... to save the day.
I tried to send you green k because you seem lonely. You have to be lonely fighting for my attention when i was talking to someone else, but it seems i have gave you plenty sympathy green k. Said i need to spread it around.
Neutral told me hes a big boy and he can handle his own conversations. He doesn't need you playing captain save a hoe. Smh.
You are playing every role you are accusing me of.
Now lets see how triggered and emotional you are.
If you arent triggered you won't reply.
But if i hurt your feelings you WILL.
Youre a certified loser to me. So i will ignore you from now on to show you have ZERO affect on me.
Have a good day, for the second time.
LOL you just make it up as you go along. To be fair to you its not easy when all the facts, numbers, proof all leads to the conclusion Wilder has been avoiding that fight to try convince people it was all the other way around. So fair play to you for even trying. But you is failing.
Now youre just lying. Have a good day
You don't even make sense at this point. Fyi the smiling emoji doesnt cover your pain.
Im not going back and forth with another hypocritical idiot. Have a good day
Because you got find out 😂 “I couldn’t care less about Wilder” but hey someone mentioned his name in a Tank Davis”s thread.... (Triggered)... captain save a hoe is here.... to save the day.
Cats like you don't deserve to watch boxing...did you watch Pascal Jack??? Smh
Meh the Pacquiao-Thurman event is what I like watching or even the Broner-Vargas Centeno-Charlo Tank-Cuellar card is boxing I like not 2 washed up old fighters (3 if u count Gamboa)
There are plenty of brits that have said, AJ should freeze wilder out, wilder should have to fight A,B,C to get AJ, wilder isnt a big enough draw. So cut lying shlt. Do you guys know the meaning of honesty?
LOL you just make it up as you go along. To be fair to you its not easy when all the facts, numbers, proof all leads to the conclusion Wilder has been avoiding that fight to try convince people it was all the other way around. So fair play to you for even trying. But you is failing.
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