Anthony Joshua doesn't deserve a fight against Deontay Wilder

I don't know why you are getting angry with facts, kid. Repeating your opinion over and over again is only going to ruin your day. You do a lot of comparing things to other things but your rambling does not affect me in the slightest. So please, give me all you got. It will be forgotten about as soon as I read it. Where exactly is that 'anger' you're alluding to? What am I missing here! I couldn't be any less angry. Also, last time I checked, I made this thread. So I could repeat myself as many times as I want (when I feel one is diverting from the topic). You're not exactly doing any different, telling me about your feelings repeatedly. Your feelings, your affections and your memories are totally irrelevant here. The topic of discussion is about Joshua disgracing himself against Andy Ruiz Jr, and you being affectionate or lacking storage capacity in your brain isn't going to change the main point here, which is that Anthony Joshua got obliterated by a 6 foot 0 obese midget and failed to equalize that defeat by obliterating the same guy in the rematch.

Wilder got completely outboxed by a fat guy that had lost all his muscle mass from losing 100lbs after 3 years without a competitive fight. He then had to rob him on the cards. :rofl: A 'fat' guy who is also 2 inches taller in height, and has 3 inches in reach. Fury also isn't fat like Andy Ruiz Jr. The differences between them is like night and day. One guy is an obese midget (Ruiz Jr), whilst the other (Fury) is a tall lean specimen with some ounces of fat.

Deontay Wilder has KO'ed every opponent he has ever faced. Meanwhile, this pathetically weak and feather-fisted Anthony Joshua landed all but everything using all his might and soul with every ounce of energy and strength he has from his being on Andy Ruiz Jr for 2 fights and couldn't even come close to knocking out Andy Ruiz Jr who previously brutalized him. If you get brutally stopped by a feather-fisted obese scrub like Andy Ruiz Jr and fail to avenge such a stoppage loss via an even more brutal KO over this obese, out of shape scrub in the rematch, then you have no business being in the ring with a superior specimen and being like Deontay Wilder. You don't even deserve to share the same ring with Deontay Wilder, or are even a worthy opponent for someone like Deontay Wilder. For Anthony Joshua to even qualify as a worthy, credible and a deserved opponent for Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua has to go back and rematch Andy Ruiz Jr again and KO Ruiz Jr more brutally than how he himself got stopped by Ruiz Jr. Anything short of that, disqualifies Joshua from ever deserving a fight against Wilder. There's no excuse for even getting destroyed by a pure obese and out of shape scrub like Andy Ruiz Jr in the first place. But there's even less of an excuse for failing to avenge a stoppage loss against such a horrible opponent through a more brutal KO of yourself in the rematch (which Joshua failed to do as he needed a decision). If Joshua can't even KO Andy Ruiz Jr, then he is pretty much worthless. Especially when you take into consideration all the crazy number of advantages he holds in terms of muscle mass, height, reach, functional body weight, more money to hire better strength and conyditioning coaches and so forth stgo on. - -U featherduster nonpuncher?

The AJ vs Wilder fight will never take place; "DEONTAY WILDER’S former co-promoter Lou DiBella claimed he was fired by the WBC champion for trying to set up a fight with Anthony Joshua." This pretty much shows Wilders intentions. Stop it , When Wilder didn’t have any leverage he was willing to take a low ball flat fee , Hearn is the reason the fight didn’t happen and if it never happens it’s not going to be the fighters who’s to blame it’ll be their team fault , Lou’s the man but maybe he overstepped his pay grade , his job was to promote Wikder fights in NY , Not set up meeting or make deals on rival platforms with the people who actually navigate Wilders career.

a draw may have effected a potential Aj/Wilder somewhat it now proved Fury , As everyone should of known beforehand that he also deserves to be in the discussion as the man that you need to go through to hold the the crown I agree AJ still deserves the majority of Revenue right now , I’m just a dumb fan so these #s shouldn’t be taken as gospel But let’s just say for example when the fight should have happend . Wilder always deserved a % and not some BS flat fee that Hearn was offering but let’s say he held no leverage as far as any demands to making the fight ( Location / Date / & whatever else they negotiate about) and should have received 30-35%ish Today You would still think that AJ deserves the majority of the revenue , the fight sure is closer to a 50/50 today and Wilder has built up some leverage as well , and you’re probablyalso right if he clearly beats Fury and the fight does financially well , Wilder might be deserving of a 50/50 split or real close to it and if that’s the case It might even make the fight harder to make because both are on equal footing and would have to almost work as partners , the A-Side can’t just throw their 12 inch d.ick on the table during negotiations and he like “You want this fight well this what’s happening “ And the B-side ( Small d.ick ) has no other choice but to accept because they don’t have leverage to do otherwise. Sorry for the novel and we rarely see eye to eye but as always a great take and opinion from you Have a good one man The AJ vs Wilder fight will never take place; "DEONTAY WILDER’S former co-promoter Lou DiBella claimed he was fired by the WBC champion for trying to set up a fight with Anthony Joshua." This pretty much shows Wilders intentions.

That's all well and good, but none of that changes the fact that Anthony Joshua, you know, actually got brutally stopped by an obese, fat midget of a scrub and then failed to come anywhere near as close to stopping that same guy in the rematch, whilst having all the advantages in: 1) Height 2) Reach 3) Functional weight 4) Muscle mass 5) Wealth And you continuing to defend this scum and disgrace in Joshua, makes you look worse and worse each post... As bad as a lawyer defending a wife-beater who failed to even beat his wife in a one v one fight whilst holding every advantage imaginable in size, weight, gender and etc. So yes, please continue to defend the indefensible and make yourself more and more of a laughing stock each post. Or do yourself a favor and find a better and a more respectable / worthy / credible athlete or person to defend instead. I don't know why you are getting angry with facts, kid. Repeating your opinion over and over again is only going to ruin your day. You do a lot of comparing things to other things but your rambling does not affect me in the slightest. So please, give me all you got. It will be forgotten about as soon as I read it.

Awww, bless. Look at you getting all flustered. If you have to repeat yourself then you are obviously really upset that someone challenged you. I think that this forum will likely annoy you if you think that : - 1. I'm the only person that will challenge your blinkered view points with facts, rather than opinion. 2. I'm the only person that likes Joshua. 3. Giving facts rather than opinion means I reside in someone's pants. Nice try, little buddy but it might be time to go to bed. That's all well and good, but none of that changes the fact that Anthony Joshua, you know, actually got brutally stopped by an obese, fat midget of a scrub and then failed to come anywhere near as close to stopping that same guy in the rematch, whilst having all the advantages in: 1) Height 2) Reach 3) Functional weight 4) Muscle mass 5) Wealth And you continuing to defend this scum and disgrace in Joshua, makes you look worse and worse each post... As bad as a lawyer defending a wife-beater who failed to even beat his wife in a one v one fight whilst holding every advantage imaginable in size, weight, gender and etc. So yes, please continue to defend the indefensible and make yourself more and more of a laughing stock each post. Or do yourself a favor and find a better and a more respectable / worthy / credible athlete or person to defend instead.

Just admit it, you're attempting to defend the indefensible, which is defending a guy who disgraced, embarrassed and humiliated himself by holding every advantage in muscle mass, height, functional weight, reach and wealth and yet failed to KO a fat, overweight and an obese scrub after getting brutally stopped first by that same obese scrub. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you're better than this, as nobody with even an ounce of dignity is going to defend an embarrassment and a disgrace such as Anthony Joshua. Any neutral and level-headed individual would be forcing Joshua to rematch Andy Ruiz Jr and to win by KO to regain his self-worth, and anything short of that would have to be considered an embarrassing failure. Or of course, the alternative is you could choose to reside in Joshua's balls and nut-sack. The choice is yours! But I'd hope you're better than that! Awww, bless. Look at you getting all flustered. If you have to repeat yourself then you are obviously really upset that someone challenged you. I think that this forum will likely annoy you if you think that : - 1. I'm the only person that will challenge your blinkered view points with facts, rather than opinion. 2. I'm the only person that likes Joshua. 3. Giving facts rather than opinion means I reside in someone's pants. Nice try, little buddy but it might be time to go to bed.

Hey some may think Joshua dont deserve a fight with Wilder, thats fine, But at the end of the day Wilder doesnt even WANT a fight with Joshua so none of this matters.

- -AJ could retire tomorrow ranked over Deyonce and Furry. U still cry U to sleep. AJ could retire tomorrow, and be known as the guy who got disgraced and embarrassed by a obese scrub whilst holding every advantage over that obese scrub. Until Wilder and Fury lose as disgracefully to someone who is as worthless and pathetic as Andy Ruiz Jr, they'd always be more respected and be more credible than that fraud that is Anthony Joshua. I advice you to open your eyes after bringing your head out of Joshua's nut-sack.

From what I can see, you have completely contradicted yourself so there isn't really any need for a lengthy response here. You've practically agreed with my main points, the rest is seemingly you dribbling on your keyboard. Just admit it, you're attempting to defend the indefensible, which is defending a guy who disgraced, embarrassed and humiliated himself by holding every advantage in muscle mass, height, functional weight, reach and wealth and yet failed to KO a fat, overweight and an obese scrub after getting brutally stopped first by that same obese scrub. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you're better than this, as nobody with even an ounce of dignity is going to defend an embarrassment and a disgrace such as Anthony Joshua. Any neutral and level-headed individual would be forcing Joshua to rematch Andy Ruiz Jr and to win by KO to regain his self-worth, and anything short of that would have to be considered an embarrassing failure. Or of course, the alternative is you could choose to reside in Joshua's balls and nut-sack. The choice is yours! But I'd hope you're better than that!

Not my opinion! The true record is in the boxing clip. Fact is, Fury was down for the 10 count and a bias referee prolonging the count is not going to change that fact. So that's the only record that truly matters to honest people. So yes, the record shows Fury was down for the 10 count with the referee not only prolonging the count, but helping Fury up to his feet. Still a knockdown? Still a off-balanced knockdown. FACT! Actually yes, not being able to KO an opponent in a rematch that KO'ed you first, when possessing nearly every advantage over that opponent in height, functional weight, reach, muscle mass and wealth makes you a laughing stock and makes you worthless. As worthless as a 30 year old adult needing a decision to beat a 10 year old kid in a boxing match. That's how embarrassing it is for Joshua to not being able to KO a fat, obese and out of shape useless scrub like Andy Ruiz Jr when he had all the advantages imaginable. Just like how the 30 year old adult would also have all the advantages over that 10 year old kid. You don't avenge a 5-0 loss in a soccer (European football) match by winning 1-0 in the rematch. Likewise, you don't avenge a brutal, one-sided stoppage loss by a decision win in the rematch whilst having all the advantages imaginable. Joshua simply did not beat Ruiz Jr by the same margin that Ruiz Jr beat him by. And the only way Joshua does this, is by going back there and knocking Ruiz Jr out more brutally. I don't need to get over anything, until Joshua goes back there and knocks Andy Ruiz Jr out, and proves he is a worthy man and boxer at the highest level. If you think a boxer winning by decision after holding every advantage that can be held over his opponent, is impressive after that boxer got stopped first, then you can do so... But you don't have much of a ground to stand on From where I come from, level of performance does matter and boxrec / wiki records alone aren't enough to determine the quality / worth of a boxer. There is no rule that states Joshua has to KO Ruiz Jr to win or avenge his loss. But that doesn't mean Joshua not KO'ing Ruiz Jr and winning (officially) by decision makes him any more worthy for a fight against Deontay Wilder or at all worthy at the highest level. It still doesn't stop him from being a laughing stock for his failure to KO an obese, fat scrub whilst holding every advantage. Wilder's amateur bouts are irrelevant. He was too inexperienced and young. He started boxing late. Everyone should know this by now. In the pros, he has KO'ed everyone. Deontay Wilder fought Luis Ortiz, who is significantly superior to Andy Ruiz Jr and knocked him out. So he doesn't have to fight a skill-less obese scrub in Andy Ruiz Jr who is less skilled, less powerful and less accomplished than Luis Ortiz. Anthony Joshua failing to KO Andy Ruiz Jr speaks more volumes about how pathetic, embarrassing, disgraceful and worthless Joshua is, than about anything else. By my rationale, the boxer who's beaten the best opponents, is the 'champion'. That has nothing to do with ABC belts. Your point would stand or hold any merit if there really was only one title / belt for the heavyweight division. Such isn't the case. Which means you can have multiple title-holders in the heavyweight division but you can't have multiple champions, as 'champion' by definition means one who has surpassed all his rivals. So ultimately, there can only be one true 'champion' so titles or belts don't help us determine that true champion as there are multiples of them in a division. Manuel Charr holds one of the ABC belts but Povetkin never has. But Povetkin actually beat Manuel Charr head to head and has a better record overall. So who's the real champion? The belt-holder or the one with the better heavyweight record? In an era where anybody can earn a belt with some luck, gifts and help, holding a belt means literally nothing. The belt doesn't make the champion. The champion makes the belt. Everyone who has sufficient knowledge of boxing history knows this. "I'm not sure which point you mean here. Try and make your response a little quicker, yeah?" I was responding to this point of yours: "An overweight, out of shape, probably 50% Fury beat Wilder. AND EVERYONE, EXCEPT WILDER FANS, AGREES." With the following: "And Fury is superior to Joshua or anybody Joshua has ever beaten. So your point about Fury is moot and irrelevant here." And nah, I'd rather take my time. If you don't like it, you know where you can stick it where the sun don't shine! From what I can see, you have completely contradicted yourself so there isn't really any need for a lengthy response here. You've practically agreed with my main points, the rest is seemingly you dribbling on your keyboard.

We need all these guys to fight....end of.

aj wants 70/30 so let this fight go guys it aint happenin it will be the same sht as it was before

Not my opinion! The true record is in the boxing clip. Fact is, Fury was down for the 10 count and a bias referee prolonging the count is not going to change that fact. So that's the only record that truly matters to honest people. So yes, the record shows Fury was down for the 10 count with the referee not only prolonging the count, but helping Fury up to his feet. Still a knockdown? Still a off-balanced knockdown. FACT! Actually yes, not being able to KO an opponent in a rematch that KO'ed you first, when possessing nearly every advantage over that opponent in height, functional weight, reach, muscle mass and wealth makes you a laughing stock and makes you worthless. As worthless as a 30 year old adult needing a decision to beat a 10 year old kid in a boxing match. That's how embarrassing it is for Joshua to not being able to KO a fat, obese and out of shape useless scrub like Andy Ruiz Jr when he had all the advantages imaginable. Just like how the 30 year old adult would also have all the advantages over that 10 year old kid. You don't avenge a 5-0 loss in a soccer (European football) match by winning 1-0 in the rematch. Likewise, you don't avenge a brutal, one-sided stoppage loss by a decision win in the rematch whilst having all the advantages imaginable. Joshua simply did not beat Ruiz Jr by the same margin that Ruiz Jr beat him by. And the only way Joshua does this, is by going back there and knocking Ruiz Jr out more brutally. I don't need to get over anything, until Joshua goes back there and knocks Andy Ruiz Jr out, and proves he is a worthy man and boxer at the highest level. If you think a boxer winning by decision after holding every advantage that can be held over his opponent, is impressive after that boxer got stopped first, then you can do so... But you don't have much of a ground to stand on From where I come from, level of performance does matter and boxrec / wiki records alone aren't enough to determine the quality / worth of a boxer. There is no rule that states Joshua has to KO Ruiz Jr to win or avenge his loss. But that doesn't mean Joshua not KO'ing Ruiz Jr and winning (officially) by decision makes him any more worthy for a fight against Deontay Wilder or at all worthy at the highest level. It still doesn't stop him from being a laughing stock for his failure to KO an obese, fat scrub whilst holding every advantage. Wilder's amateur bouts are irrelevant. He was too inexperienced and young. He started boxing late. Everyone should know this by now. In the pros, he has KO'ed everyone. Deontay Wilder fought Luis Ortiz, who is significantly superior to Andy Ruiz Jr and knocked him out. So he doesn't have to fight a skill-less obese scrub in Andy Ruiz Jr who is less skilled, less powerful and less accomplished than Luis Ortiz. Anthony Joshua failing to KO Andy Ruiz Jr speaks more volumes about how pathetic, embarrassing, disgraceful and worthless Joshua is, than about anything else. By my rationale, the boxer who's beaten the best opponents, is the 'champion'. That has nothing to do with ABC belts. Your point would stand or hold any merit if there really was only one title / belt for the heavyweight division. Such isn't the case. Which means you can have multiple title-holders in the heavyweight division but you can't have multiple champions, as 'champion' by definition means one who has surpassed all his rivals. So ultimately, there can only be one true 'champion' so titles or belts don't help us determine that true champion as there are multiples of them in a division. Manuel Charr holds one of the ABC belts but Povetkin never has. But Povetkin actually beat Manuel Charr head to head and has a better record overall. So who's the real champion? The belt-holder or the one with the better heavyweight record? In an era where anybody can earn a belt with some luck, gifts and help, holding a belt means literally nothing. The belt doesn't make the champion. The champion makes the belt. Everyone who has sufficient knowledge of boxing history knows this. "I'm not sure which point you mean here. Try and make your response a little quicker, yeah?" I was responding to this point of yours: "An overweight, out of shape, probably 50% Fury beat Wilder. AND EVERYONE, EXCEPT WILDER FANS, AGREES." With the following: "And Fury is superior to Joshua or anybody Joshua has ever beaten. So your point about Fury is moot and irrelevant here." And nah, I'd rather take my time. If you don't like it, you know where you can stick it where the sun don't shine! - -U live where sun don't shine? What grade U in this year?

Someone with 3 major belts doesn't deserve a fight with someone who's got only one belt? RIDICULOUS If there's one to desire this fight, it should be Wilder. I mean, why not go there and knock Joshua out, then take all the belts. The only reason why any sane man can't do this, is if of course he's afraid. If Wilder ducks this one, then he'll prove boxing fans incontrovertibly correct that he's a disgrace. When Ruiz was preparing for the rematch, Wilder was running his mouth with ONE CHAMPION! ONE Face! One name!, dying to fight Ruiz for all the belts. Immediately Joshua won, he hid, and forgot about one champion. Only Wilder fans thinks Wilder ain't sincerely afraid of Joshua. Wilder better take this fight and for once, fight someone with a name

This thread is ridiculous. Of course Joshua deserves a fight with Wilder. He's the unified heavyweight champion of the world.

deontay should take this money fight asap. he could dispose of AJ in 4 rounds. and im an AJ fan. It's obvious you're ******ed. Childish wilder fans everywhere, hiding behind the masks

Needless of reading this. Even the first paragraph alone indicates that a good for nothing fool opened the thread

Deontay Wilder has KO'ed every opponent he has ever faced. Meanwhile, this pathetically weak and feather-fisted Anthony Joshua landed all but everything using all his might and soul with every ounce of energy and strength he has from his being on Andy Ruiz Jr for 2 fights and couldn't even come close to knocking out Andy Ruiz Jr who previously brutalized him. If you get brutally stopped by a feather-fisted obese scrub like Andy Ruiz Jr and fail to avenge such a stoppage loss via an even more brutal KO over this obese, out of shape scrub in the rematch, then you have no business being in the ring with a superior specimen and being like Deontay Wilder. You don't even deserve to share the same ring with Deontay Wilder, or are even a worthy opponent for someone like Deontay Wilder. For Anthony Joshua to even qualify as a worthy, credible and a deserved opponent for Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua has to go back and rematch Andy Ruiz Jr again and KO Ruiz Jr more brutally than how he himself got stopped by Ruiz Jr. Anything short of that, disqualifies Joshua from ever deserving a fight against Wilder. There's no excuse for even getting destroyed by a pure obese and out of shape scrub like Andy Ruiz Jr in the first place. But there's even less of an excuse for failing to avenge a stoppage loss against such a horrible opponent through a more brutal KO of yourself in the rematch (which Joshua failed to do as he needed a decision). If Joshua can't even KO Andy Ruiz Jr, then he is pretty much worthless. Especially when you take into consideration all the crazy number of advantages he holds in terms of muscle mass, height, reach, functional body weight, more money to hire better strength and conditioning coaches and so forth so on. - -AJ could retire tomorrow ranked over Deyonce and Furry. U still cry U to sleep.