Noticing a disturbing trend with Crawford

Rocky fought two fighters with undefeated records throughout his 49 fight career, all of the others had at least 11 losses on average when he fought them. Some significantly more. They would be regarded as huge cans today. Does that make a difference in your assessment of him? It does in my mind. Of his last thirteen fights, most of those guys were good but well faded, with an average of 13 losses before he fought them. Usyk has fought 5 fighters with no losses and the average losses of his opponents when he fought them was 1. He is also about the same weight as Marciano, but much taller. Usyk became champion much sooner than Marciano, fought better opposition and is now campaigning as a super heavy by Marciano standards. If you remove the hype around Marciano and let the stats speak, you will get a picture of what he accomplished. This is no knock on the potential of the guy, as he beat everyone put in front of him, but those fighters were either faded or not very good. Joe Louis was a shell of himself and Walcott, Charles and Moore were definitely worse for wear having between 50 and 149 fights when they fought him. Read this SLOW...….so you process it. Usyk has one heavyweight fight against a nobody! He doesn't belong in the top 100 list of all time heavyweights yet as he has basically done NOTHING! If you want to rank him @ CW, then go ahead. I also rank him in the top 3 all time in that division. It's apples and oranges. As far as Marciano goes, things were obviously a lot different with some guys fighting monthly back then but he still beat the top contenders over and over again while he was the champ and that's all a champion could do. If you want to talk about head to head matchups, that's a totally different subject. I just think you are confused here.

I sorta agree. And he's his biggest defender for his (weak) case as the P4P #1. lol I don't even remember Floyd being this defensive, maybe because Floyd actually was unanimously #1, but Bud is getting annoying crapping on Canelo and Loma to big himself up. He craps on everybody. He tries to downplay Loma, Canelo, Pac, etc. I like Crawford but that dude has a horrible attitude for somebody who hasn’t even fought top opposition.

I'm noticing a disturbing trend with Crawford. He doesn't seem to want to acknowledge anything negative and is starting to make excuses. Andre Ward pointed out the same thing with Kovalev. Loma admits when he gets hurt, and all of the greats do. Crawford denied the knockdown against Egis, refused to acknowledge that he hit Khan low, and to this day, diminishes that Gamboa hurt him. Not sure how he continues to maintain this in the light of incontrovertible video evidence. It's a bad sign for me. He’s not a humble person. He’s very arrogant and ghetto. It’s not a good star quality if you’re trying to push PPV sales...

Floyd was hella defensive (Brian Kenny), but he had a right to be. His arguments were valid, every one of them. At the time he already had a Hall of Fame list of people he had beaten. Crawford's argument is that he beat Jeff Horn. Agree and agree. Floyd wasn't getting the love but everybody recognized he was by far the best boxer on the planet with the resume to back it up. Crawford comes across as a bit insecure having to put down Canelo and Loma to big himself up as #1. Recently he's ridiculously claiming he's the #1 WW when Spence has two belts and a better WW resume. LOL

Y'all are hating on crawford but love the hypejob loma. You guys are crazy man.

I sorta agree. And he's his biggest defender for his (weak) case as the P4P #1. lol I don't even remember Floyd being this defensive, maybe because Floyd actually was unanimously #1, but Bud is getting annoying crapping on Canelo and Loma to big himself up.

Are you really asking that? Oh idk, beating a top 100 ranked heavyweight maybe? The dude has had one fight there vs. a bum ffs. Marciano was an undefeated legend with 7 title fight wins and they were all ko's but one. He also destroyed the legend Joe Louis from the previous generation. There's no comparison and most likely never will be. Rocky fought two fighters with undefeated records throughout his 49 fight career, all of the others had at least 11 losses on average when he fought them. Some significantly more. They would be regarded as huge cans today. Does that make a difference in your assessment of him? It does in my mind. Of his last thirteen fights, most of those guys were good but well faded, with an average of 13 losses before he fought them. Usyk has fought 5 fighters with no losses and the average losses of his opponents when he fought them was 1. He is also about the same weight as Marciano, but much taller. Usyk became champion much sooner than Marciano, fought better opposition and is now campaigning as a super heavy by Marciano standards. If you remove the hype around Marciano and let the stats speak, you will get a picture of what he accomplished. This is no knock on the potential of the guy, as he beat everyone put in front of him, but those fighters were either faded or not very good. Joe Louis was a shell of himself and Walcott, Charles and Moore were definitely worse for wear having between 50 and 149 fights when they fought him.

where would you rank him and what would you use to compare him with Marciano? Are you really asking that? Oh idk, beating a top 100 ranked heavyweight maybe? The dude has had one fight there vs. a bum ffs. Marciano was an undefeated legend with 7 title fight wins and they were all ko's but one. He also destroyed the legend Joe Louis from the previous generation. There's no comparison and most likely never will be.

No, it's not a troll. After the fight with Khan, while being interviewed and looking at the video replay, he insisted that it wasn't a low blow. I admire Crawford, and I thought his performance after being rocked by egis was reminiscent of what Floyd did to Mosely after he was rocked, only Crawford's was way more dominant. He responded the way the "boss" should respond. However, for his denials, I'm putting him on a watch. He may have been able to bully Horn and Egis, but Danny G, Porter and Thurman are different animals. No. They aren't.

When Crawford opens his mouth he sounds special and I don’t mean that in a good way. Not trying to be fuccked up he just sounds like he dropped out of school at a very young age. Thats exactly how I feel when Spence talks. Sounds like he's on dope or is half a retar.d

Oh, speaking of Usyk, B @ x rec has him ranked as the #19 all time heavyweight after one fight with Witherspoon :bs2: Real credible source , huh? where would you rank him and what would you use to compare him with Marciano?

Lol! Holyfield is nowhere near a top 3 heavyweight. That's my point. What he did at CW is also irrelevant. Boxrec is shyte as far as actual ranking go which is why absolutely NOBODY with any real boxing knowledge EVER sites them as a credible ranking source. That should tell you something. dude...none of them are perfect

I can't disagree with that, because Horn was beaten twice after. I can't disagree with someone saying Usyk > Ortiz either until Usyk gets beat. The eye test and intuition might say otherwise about Usyk, but it's only proven when it is. I don't always agree with Boxrec but I always use them as the standard, because I believe they weight the record of the fighter better than the others. For e.g. I'm not surprised that ESPN ranks Loma as #1 and Ring Canelo as #1. Good discussion though Oh, speaking of Usyk, B @ x rec has him ranked as the #19 all time heavyweight after one fight with Witherspoon :bs2: Real credible source , huh?

Well, if you trust ESPN and Ring and the known problems and biases of their rankings...that's ok. I use my eyes , experience and the figures to rank fighters...and I think Boxrec does this well. Even if I disagree with a few, there is still the statistical evidence which often conflicts with anecdotal. I have seen a few clips of Joe Louis and of Ali...before my time, but if I were to judge those guys I would use their victories, who they fought and some anecdotal evidence to come by my conclusion. Evander Holyfied I did see, and his accomplishments from Cruiserweight to Heavy, and who and how he fought are legendary. I would probably put Lewis ahead of him, but Lewis was 6' 5 and really heralded the age of the super heavies Lol! Holyfield is nowhere near a top 3 heavyweight. That's my point. What he did at CW is also irrelevant. Boxrec is shyte as far as actual ranking go which is why absolutely NOBODY with any real boxing knowledge EVER sites them as a credible ranking source. That should tell you something.

Under no situation can I find warranting Jeff Horn as #5 P4P. That's essentially saying that, all weights equal, Jeff Horn would have beaten someone like Jermall Charlo. Or Carnelo. Or Deontay Wilder. Come on, it's not realistic - for the same reason I can't justify it for Crawford. I can't disagree with that, because Horn was beaten twice after. I can't disagree with someone saying Usyk > Ortiz either until Usyk gets beat. The eye test and intuition might say otherwise about Usyk, but it's only proven when it is. I don't always agree with Boxrec but I always use them as the standard, because I believe they weight the record of the fighter better than the others. For e.g. I'm not surprised that ESPN ranks Loma as #1 and Ring Canelo as #1. Good discussion though

People have him credit for being great too soon. He's try g to live up to expectations

To be fair, Boxrec had Jeff Horn as #1 Welterweight in the World and #5 P4P after beating Manny. They also claim that Crawford is better than Aaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello, all time. Well, if you assume that the judges got it right with Horn, and you weigh Crawford's rise through the weights and current dominance and the number of champions he has beaten, I think there is a case for that. But things change, and Horn got beat. Duran got the better of Ray Leonard but got obliterated by Hearns. Duran was #1 and then lost it to Hearns who lost it to Hagler who lost it to Leonard. The thing is, we as humans are biased and base our assessments on so many things, true or untrue, that we need a north star. And I think Boxrec is a better north star than Ring and ESPN which are more for entertainment and make their living off of it. You hear guys debate decisions all the time. I thought Thurman drew with Manny at least, but that doesn't matter. The judges saw it different regardless of Thurman saying he was at 50% or Manny saying his shoulder was shot against Floyd.

Oh, ok. So that means that you must also agree with the all time heavyweight ranking on that website. 1)Muhammad Ali 1481 56 5 0 1960-1981 orthodox Louisville, USA 2) Joe Louis 1477 66 3 0 1934-1951 orthodox Detroit, USA 3) Evander Holyfield 1197 44 10 2 1984-2011 orthodox Atlanta, USA Now, as you can see, it's a farce and totally illegitimate. You should be embarrassed for even responding with that. Well, if you trust ESPN and Ring and the known problems and biases of their rankings...that's ok. I use my eyes , experience and the figures to rank fighters...and I think Boxrec does this well. Even if I disagree with a few, there is still the statistical evidence which often conflicts with anecdotal. I have seen a few clips of Joe Louis and of Ali...before my time, but if I were to judge those guys I would use their victories, who they fought and some anecdotal evidence to come by my conclusion. Evander Holyfied I did see, and his accomplishments from Cruiserweight to Heavy, and who and how he fought are legendary. I would probably put Lewis ahead of him, but Lewis was 6' 5 and really heralded the age of the super heavies

It's too bad I'm straightedge which makes you sound childish. But do you - you're a Crawford fan, you cheered when he tried to beat up that car shop guy, you laughed when he allowed his baby mama to assault his mistress in the street. It's cool. You're entitled to like what you like. Done. Just stop failing.

Yes...but I trust boxrec, where most of the boxers record are housed. It's the least affiliated...to my knowledge 1 Mexico Canelo Alvarez 52–1–2 (34 KO) Middleweight WBA (Super), The Ring, lineal middleweight, and WBA (Regular) super middleweight champion 2 United States Terence Crawford 35–0 (26 KO) Welterweight WBO welterweight champion 3 Kazakhstan Gennady Golovkin 39–1–1 (35 KO) Middleweight IBF and IBO middleweight champion 4 Ukraine Vasyl Lomachenko 14–1 (10 KO) Lightweight WBA (Super), WBC, WBO and The Ring lightweight champion 5 United States Errol Spence Jr. 25–0 (21 KO) Welterweight WBC and IBF welterweight champion Oh, ok. So that means that you must also agree with the all time heavyweight ranking on that website. 1)Muhammad Ali 1481 56 5 0 1960-1981 orthodox Louisville, USA 2) Joe Louis 1477 66 3 0 1934-1951 orthodox Detroit, USA 3) Evander Holyfield 1197 44 10 2 1984-2011 orthodox Atlanta, USA Now, as you can see, it's a farce and totally illegitimate. You should be embarrassed for even responding with that.