https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-7670033/Dillian-Whyte-set-return-ring-Anthony-Joshua-vs-Andy-Ruiz-Jr-undercard-Saudi-Arabia.html
Eddie Hearn is teeing up Dillian Whyte for a fight on the undercard of the fiercely anticipated Anthony Joshua versus Andy Ruiz II bout.
The heavyweight's last fight saw him defeat Oscar Rivas in a thrilling contest, before being provisionally suspended for a failed drugs test. The Londoner is now clear to fight, but was stripped of his WBC interim title.
Whyte will replace the Jono Carroll versus Scott Quigg fight, after Quigg was forced to pull out of the Saudi Arabia fight with an elbow injury.
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Asked who the Brixton fighter would face, promoter Hearn - speaking at the KSI versus Logan Paul II card he was promoting - said: 'Not sure yet. It's not going to be a top five-ten guy.
'But it will be a good fight. We're working it out.'
The fight will take place on December 7 in Saudi Arabia - in what will prove a crucial night for Joshua.
Whyte and Joshua have fought both as amateurs - where the Brixton fighter came out on top - and as professionals, when the Watford-born superstar KO'd his opponent in the seventh round.
Now, Joshua is fighting to win back the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO titles he lost to Ruiz in the first fight, and put himself back on track for a era-defining clashes with Tyson Fury and/or Deontay Wilder.
Whyte joins Joshua in Saudi Arabia four years after losing to his compatriot by knock-out
Ok when a fighter is clean but pops dirty he will immediately go on record protesting his test results & saying hes innocent. Hearn/Whyte have made it clear they are completely unashamed to be considered, lying hypocrite cheats. Neither Hearn/Whyte have once come out publicly saying flat out they are clean. They have done the same exact thing trump has done with his scandals which shows how guilty they are. Dbol is a straight up roid that is impossible for Whyte to have accidentally consumed especially in the uk where only the most minute percentage of meat even contains clen but in tiny doses much less dbol a straight up ultra powerful roid that can be micro dosed & still be very effective & which is easy to get still unlike other roids that are very hard to come by in the uk ever since wiggins scandal
Every fighter who pops will protest their innocence. Even Miller did that at first. Because he didn't do that you think he must be guilty? If he'd said it straight away does that mean that you would you have believed him? Not a chance.
Whyte said he will work to clear his name and has been advised to avoid further comment.
Now that seems a very sensible approach if you think you're innocent, but what does it prove? Nothing. I can't infer anything from his words. I need some facts.
Your knowledge of PEDs is very interesting. But what does it prove? Nothing. There are still zero facts to work off. Was it Dbol? Nothing has ever been confirmed.
Again, you've got him down as a drugs cheat on no evidence. In fact you've got him down as a lying, 'blatant' drug cheat. Never mind that it wasn't 'blatant' enough to be picked up by VADA.
The truth will out. At the moment it seems he's free to fight. It's all we've got to go on, unless you're in the Jake Paul camp of conspiracy theories.
Did you read the link I posted above that shows someone merely has to eat a single steak to pop dirty for clen? When fifa tested all the hotels/restaurants in mexico they concluded clen was in the meat of most of them. Canelo dined with the president at sonora grill & the date & pictures as well as witnesses backed up that he ate a plate of steak.(luckily for him everything gets documented when dining with clinton)
That was right before the clen test where he took the tests & wasn't aware he popped dirty because tests take several weeks, in the meantime he was again tested a few days later while still unaware he was dirty,by then just as expected when someone eats clen meat it was already an almost undetectable amount. He then submitted to a follicle test that contrary to whats been reported takes into account hair color to provide such an accurate test its used in murder trials & is considered foolproof.
The bs being reported about hair color affecting the test makes no sense because thats been solved ages ago.
https://martinbudden.wordpress.com/tag/clenbuterol/
No, man. You're straight wrong. Unlless someone's got some kinda secret research they're hiding from us that is but if they do you don't know about it either. But since I already wasted dozens of hours of mty life explaining why on other threads and I ain't gonna change your mind anyway I ain't gonn bother here.
Oh. And just FYI it's a hair strand test that they're working on for Clenbuterol, not a follicle test, and just becasuse you can do one for some substances it does not mean you automatically know what to expect for others. And when you show me the available research that proves your viewpoint (the research papers) I will happily acknowledge my fault, but you won't because it ain't there yet despite the campaign of obfuscation by the WBC and some others in the boxing community.
The first part is accurate however, Clenbuterol contamination is very widespread in Mexico and China and there's absolutely a reasonable likelihood that contamination is to blame in any or all of these cases whether the meat came from the Sonora grill or somewhere else, unfortunately it also remains entirely possible that they were due to deliberate use.
The Clinton guff is just stright up transparent PR diversion bullchit for the gullible and has nothing to do with proving anything one way or another and I'd say the same if it was the Queen of England or Elvis fkn Presley that had been sat there. What possible relevance did you think it had? Did Bill eat some of the steak off Canelo's plate and then pop dirty for the same levels of Clen at the same time as Canelo?:lol1: Hell, man, there's never even been a date released for that picture to my knowledge.
:lol1: ****. Man. Apologies for bending your ear. I just meant to give a one line bow out, but I just can't help myself. If you're genuinely interested in understanding the subject in a bit more depth you can look through my post history and come back with pertinent questions, but I get that you probably ain't so I'll just leave it there.
EDIT: And thanks for the Contador article, that's a useful addition to the research I already got bookmarked, and his update from the 3 Oct 2010 (my 38th Birthday FWIW) shows an interesting approach to calculating potential urine sample concentrations that i may be able to use elsewhere. It's irrelevent to the cases of potential contamination in Mexican boxers however unless any of those boxers had had a negative test in the day or two before their positives. If they had have done it would clear them absolutely of deliberate wrongdoing although I could have told you that anyway.
In other words its okay to be a hypocrite.
In other words theres a difference between a clean fighter whos popped for traces of clen & a dirty one that gets popped for straight up roids & refuses to do anything but hide afterwards. The clean fighter tries to do everything to clear his name & as a result was deemed innocent by the ibf/wbo/wba/wbc,he even submitted to a hair follicle test that would show up to a yr or more of any drug usage. Whyte has still refused to so much as protest his innocence even once & he had zero intention of ever telling anyone he was dirty for a roid that he surely ingested & which is infinitely more potent than clen. So I guess to you that means im a hypocrite,but in reality it means I believe in using the facts as they would in a court case. Modern vada testing can detect a single molecule & has a history of false positives for clen, unfortunately for Whyte DBol is infinitely more potent & theres no cases of accidentally ingesting it afaik
Lol you hearn haters s hanging on in hope of something that's not happening. All that drug business is sorted, whyte is cleared to fight on. All you have is the WBC playing their silly games protecting wilder from whyte.
Hearn and whyte ain't going to hang around, not fight and wait for the WBC to make their ruling, they will make their call in their own good time but it won't be banning Whyte from Boxing.
Wow, very interesting stuff. You've done quite a bit of research on this.
Yes I'm someone who's always been interested in these sorts of cases where I feel an Injustice has occurred. In the beginning of this clen saga I couldn't believe nelo would cheat because he had been a pioneer of vada in boxing who could've cheated when chavez jr demanded non vada but nelo demanded vada(as chavez jrs doing vs Jacobs again now) but I told myself surely if he was popped dirty then it must mean he used a ped amount of clen which means hes a blatant cheat as was being lazily reported.
It wasn't until a while after that I started researching the specifics of his case that I realized that he genuinely got screwed over for trying to do the right thing & demanding the supposed best testing every fight. When I actually started researching these things & prior athletes like contador I realized it's a travesty to tell someone that they are not banned from eating mex meat,but they still absolutely cannot dine out under any circumstances (even at a nice restaurant with Clinton) without fear of destroying their careers,all because they are testing & happen to live in mexico.
I could'nt imagine being in such a situation that even the finest restaurants are off limits even if the president invites you to dinner; Even if you have the best chefs that'd get old to not be able to dine out.
How are you going to refer to something as "blatant" when you know precisely zero facts about the case?
No credibility thread.
Ok when a fighter is clean but pops dirty he will immediately go on record protesting his test results & saying hes innocent. Hearn/Whyte have made it clear they are completely unashamed to be considered, lying hypocrite cheats. Neither Hearn/Whyte have once come out publicly saying flat out they are clean. They have done the same exact thing trump has done with his scandals which shows how guilty they are. Dbol is a straight up roid that is impossible for Whyte to have accidentally consumed especially in the uk where only the most minute percentage of meat even contains clen but in tiny doses much less dbol a straight up ultra powerful roid that can be micro dosed & still be very effective & which is easy to get still unlike other roids that are very hard to come by in the uk ever since wiggins scandal
Did you read the link I posted above that shows someone merely has to eat a single steak to pop dirty for clen? When fifa tested all the hotels/restaurants in mexico they concluded clen was in the meat of most of them. Canelo dined with the president at sonora grill & the date & pictures as well as witnesses backed up that he ate a plate of steak.(luckily for him everything gets documented when dining with clinton)
That was right before the clen test where he took the tests & wasn't aware he popped dirty because tests take several weeks, in the meantime he was again tested a few days later while still unaware he was dirty,by then just as expected when someone eats clen meat it was already an almost undetectable amount. He then submitted to a follicle test that contrary to whats been reported takes into account hair color to provide such an accurate test its used in murder trials & is considered foolproof.
The bs being reported about hair color affecting the test makes no sense because thats been solved ages ago.
https://martinbudden.wordpress.com/tag/clenbuterol/
Wow, very interesting stuff. You've done quite a bit of research on this.
Man if you're using Bill Clinton as a defense you gotta be desperate... hell difference would that make anyway? Did Bill swear under oath that Canelo was innocent or something? Would anyone still believe him if he had?:lol1:
Problem is you just can't tell whether someone's been doping or eaten contaminated meat from a piss test, no matter which former head of state you shared a table with or how impassioned your belief in the right of Mexicans to eat what the hell they please.
Oh yeah. And this 'joke' drug is actually used by thousands globally for weight loss and lean muscle gain, hell, why the fuck do you think they bother to put in the damn cows - illegally I might add - despite the health risks? If you're so sure it does nothing then perhaps you should be spending your energy trying to lobby for WADA and the WBC to take it off the banned list altogether, rather than just leaving a massive loophole for potential abuse in certain countries. At least that way fighters from other parts of the globe could at least get a level playing field.
I ain't saying any of these dudes are guilty but you got no way of knowing they weren't using Clen as a PED either.
Did you read the link I posted above that shows someone merely has to eat a single steak to pop dirty for clen? When fifa tested all the hotels/restaurants in mexico they concluded clen was in the meat of most of them. Canelo dined with the president at sonora grill & the date & pictures as well as witnesses backed up that he ate a plate of steak.(luckily for him everything gets documented when dining with clinton)
That was right before the clen test where he took the tests & wasn't aware he popped dirty because tests take several weeks, in the meantime he was again tested a few days later while still unaware he was dirty,by then just as expected when someone eats clen meat it was already an almost undetectable amount. He then submitted to a follicle test that contrary to whats been reported takes into account hair color to provide such an accurate test its used in murder trials & is considered foolproof.
The bs being reported about hair color affecting the test makes no sense because thats been solved ages ago.
https://martinbudden.wordpress.com/tag/clenbuterol/
Clenbuterol has been found by multiple sports to be in majority of mexican meat & found to be completely irrelevant for athletes unless they specifically take large doses over long periods of time for minimal gain.
,vada independently 1st chose to screw over Canelo despite other fighters being popped with much larger doses & deemed innocent. Wada had already always agreed that clen in amounts nelo had should be deemed a clean test,but vada only for Canelo screwed him despite him also passing a hair follicle test that would also show other more powerful drugs for a very long time.
And the wbc isn't the ones who made vada decide a few months back that they were going to no longer deem contaminant amounts of clen as a positive test which was what they were supposed to have done all along as wada code dictates. Clen is a joke"drug" I have personally eaten tons of mexican beef & never noticed anything resembling a drug.
I have stood up for clen fighters since way before nelo,I find it a travesty that clean fighters doing vada shouldn't be allowed to eat at fancy restaurants in mexico whom fifa found to contain clen.(Nelo was dining with bill clinton ffs & got popped)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-6167753/Canelo-Alvarez-eaten-infamous-contaminated-meat-dining-ex-president-Bill-Clinton.html#article-6167753
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/8833438/Over-100-players-test-positive-for-banned-drug-clenbuterol-at-Fifa-Under-17-World-Cup-in-Mexico-this-summer.html
Man if you're using Bill Clinton as a defense you gotta be desperate... hell difference would that make anyway? Did Bill swear under oath that Canelo was innocent or something? Would anyone still believe him if he had?:lol1:
Problem is you just can't tell whether someone's been doping or eaten contaminated meat from a piss test, no matter which former head of state you shared a table with or how impassioned your belief in the right of Mexicans to eat what the hell they please.
Oh yeah. And this 'joke' drug is actually used by thousands globally for weight loss and lean muscle gain, hell, why the fuck do you think they bother to put in the damn cows - illegally I might add - despite the health risks? If you're so sure it does nothing then perhaps you should be spending your energy trying to lobby for WADA and the WBC to take it off the banned list altogether, rather than just leaving a massive loophole for potential abuse in certain countries. At least that way fighters from other parts of the globe could at least get a level playing field.
I ain't saying any of these dudes are guilty but you got no way of knowing they weren't using Clen as a PED either.
I hope the boxing media asks some tough questions of Eddie Hearn if Shyte is allowed to return to the sport.
I don't have a lot of faith in them, though.
To anyone thats interested heres a very interesting find about Clenbuterol & how much meat you'd have to eat to pop dirty
https://martinbudden.wordpress.com/tag/clenbuterol/
Canelo and all the other Mexican fighters test positive for clen. The WBC raises the threshold for clen for Mexican fighters.
Jarrell Miller tests positive for every known steroid in the world. Top Rank signs him to a lucrative co-promotional deal.
Dillian Shyte gets popped for drugs for a second time in his career. The B-sample is never tested and he's about to return to the ring without a drug trial.
This "sport" is a f**cking joke.
Clenbuterol has been found by multiple sports to be in majority of mexican meat & found to be completely irrelevant for athletes unless they specifically take large doses over long periods of time for minimal gain.
,vada independently 1st chose to screw over Canelo despite other fighters being popped with much larger doses & deemed innocent. Wada had already always agreed that clen in amounts nelo had should be deemed a clean test,but vada only for Canelo screwed him despite him also passing a hair follicle test that would also show other more powerful drugs for a very long time.
And the wbc isn't the ones who made vada decide a few months back that they were going to no longer deem contaminant amounts of clen as a positive test which was what they were supposed to have done all along as wada code dictates. Clen is a joke"drug" I have personally eaten tons of mexican beef & never noticed anything resembling a drug.
I have stood up for clen fighters since way before nelo,I find it a travesty that clean fighters doing vada shouldn't be allowed to eat at fancy restaurants in mexico whom fifa found to contain clen.(Nelo was dining with bill clinton ffs & got popped)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-6167753/Canelo-Alvarez-eaten-infamous-contaminated-meat-dining-ex-president-Bill-Clinton.html#article-6167753
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/8833438/Over-100-players-test-positive-for-banned-drug-clenbuterol-at-Fifa-Under-17-World-Cup-in-Mexico-this-summer.html
So he's gonna tie it up in court for two years like Fury then get a punishment that isn't actually enforced (Fury was supposed to vacate the Hammer win but every source still lists it as a win on his record).