His only good win was against a 50 year old dude who himself has no good wins
yeah sure you have to respect the skills of Ortiz but he falters in many other areas which won't allow him to ever become champion. He is retiring after this rematch when Wilder stops him mid fight.
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No its NOT a whole other story bc were ON a wilder thread ,so I asked you and forget that...I POINTED out to you the continual defending against a guy like him.
You guys deflect but as long as im on here I wont let you get away with it bc I READ your posts on here. :yeah:
I said it was a whole other story cuz u referring to him talking shyt about Joshua and claiming ducking.
Thats a whole other convo is it not?
But since u implying something. This how i feel about that.
Wilder says alot of dumb shyt, and what he said holds no weight.
But going back "on topic" I said Imo i have no problem with guys who started late or had no AM experience taking there time before stepping up.
......As long as once they become Champion they stop.
Unlike GGG who fought Steve fcking Rolls.
Thats my opinion regarding that. So whats the problem?
Joshua stepped up competition faster. Great. But if he didn't before his first championship fight i would have no issue since he prior experience
The fact remains that Wilder's signature fight was a draw that most thought he was lucky to get.
Ortiz 2 won't change that.
I won't debate how exciting he can be, or the power that he has. I actually also think he's improved a lot as a boxer over the last few years - there are plenty of decent boxers that he couldn't have lived with maybe 3 years ago when he was already a champion. So I don't blame him for holding back.
He could go on and beat the big names in the division and go down as a great heavyweight. But he could also be shown to have never been at this level with a padded resume and a protection program that stopped him fighting worthwhile contenders.
Time will tell. Right now, he's still got the worst resume of the top 4 fighters.
Joshua started at the same age and had only a few more am fights.
When liar wilder says Joshua is ducking him bc he hasn't fought him in his 17th fight then what ? What are you defending besides a guy that wants to dictate others careers and claim hes being ducked ? lol
Well thats a whole other story.
But i have no problem with those early fights or any guy going to Mexico to pad their record etc.
As long as once u become champion u stop.
My problem with GGG finding Steve Rolls at a car wash and offering him a payday
The only reason i defend his trash resume is the fact that he start boxing very late, had a short amatuer career and basically learned on the job.
I think it was reasonable to move him slow early im his career.
These guys who been boxing since kids with 100s of am fights have no excuse
Arthur Abraham used to knock everybody out cold till he stepped up the competition and got his gloves investigated
Your a fan of his haircut though surely?
Haha, This thread is about Deontay Wilders crappy resume and the 1st thing you type is Eddie Hearn. Then you go on to mention Anthony Joshua 7 times. Your too rabid to think straight.
resumes exist in the context of an era. "wilder's resume is hot garbage."
well ok, let's look at the rankings, shall we?
fury
wilder
ruiz
joshua
why? wilder and fury fought a draw but i thoguht fury won and is the better fighter. joshua was ranked HIGHER THAN BOTH before he got his butt kicked by a limited fighter, andy ruiz.
"garbage resume" is actually better than joshua's, who has a knockout loss where he got knocked all over the ring by a limited, short fighter who was about 25 lbs overweight.
it is what it is. eddie hearn is the worst thing to happen to the division since don king. he's that dishonest. unlike king he doesn't rob his own fighters or stomp people to death. that's why he's nowhere near as bad for as king.
eddie hearn still turned down a fight in las vegas for more money to fight jarrel miller in new york. all after the reason for not fighting wilder was "to keep AJ in the UK."
it is what it is. wilder has a draw with fury on his resume, ruiz has a loss to andy ruiz via knockout. boxing is a "what have you done for me lately" game, and wilder's higher on any decent list than joshua at the moment.
i thought fury edged wilder slightly in their fight, so he's #1 for me. then it's wilder. sorry, it just is. ruiz knocked joshua out, but he's a limited fighter himself with short reach and only being 6 feet. lost to joe parker in a close fight in new zealand, but he still lost it. then you can put joshua after htose three if you want. but you can't put him in front, the guy got his butt kicked by andy ruiz last time he fought.
again,w hathave you done for me lately?
manny pacquaio has the best resume of any active fighter. is he pound for pound? nope! spence, crawford, loma, canelo, usyk, these guys all have lesser resumes but they're higher ranked pound for pound than pacqiao, becasue manny's best years were 10 years ago!
joshua's best win was wladimir klitschko and that was a long, long time ago in boxing years!
Haha, This thread is about Deontay Wilders crappy resume and the 1st thing you type is Eddie Hearn. Then you go on to mention Anthony Joshua 7 times. Your too rabid to think straight.
I'm not denying he's one of the hardest hitters of all time
He is the most explosive heavyweight since Mike Tyson. Just with a massive reach advantage.
His legacy RELIES on his VICTORY over Tyson Fury next year, otherwise it's kaput. AJ won't go near him. Whyte is an idiot for wanting to go near him.
The debate here is about his resume. Nothing more or less. and it's a known fact he skipped on Wlad in 2013/14 for the easier BUMane Stiverne title route.
Was skipping on Wlad a bad choice though? Assuming what you say is true. Deontay would have went over to Germany and would not have the style to make it close on points. He'd have been jabbed and grabbed all night long, with the referee in Klitschko's pocket. Deontay was green back then too, and he got made to look amateurish at times by Fury in 2018. So other than Wlad, who else should he have fought?
Yep it is ridiculous and embarrassing. Worst thing about it is hes had ample chances to face any of the top names over the last few years and has made his excuses time and time again and if he fought them i wouldnt put it past him to stop all of them. Thats the worst bit, he can do it, hes a damn good fighter even with terrible fundamentals.
Him and his team have for some reason chosen to have a weak resume with good stats and scream about the stats and go quiet on the resume. But regardless he is here, he seems to be looking for the weakened fighters still but he needs names, i mean are we to expect Ortiz v Wilder 7 of Fury v Wilder 5? He cant keep doing circles for ever to avoid a more prime or dangerous fighter. He has to either move forward, backwards and look like a chicken or retire.
eddie hearn still turned down a fight in las vegas for more money to fight jarrel miller in new york. all after the reason for not fighting wilder was "to keep AJ in the UK."
it is what it is. wilder has a draw with fury on his resume, ruiz has a loss to andy ruiz via knockout. boxing is a "what have you done for me lately" game, and wilder's higher on any decent list than joshua at the moment.
i thought fury edged wilder slightly in their fight, so he's #1 for me. then it's wilder. sorry, it just is. ruiz knocked joshua out, but he's a limited fighter himself with short reach and only being 6 feet. lost to joe parker in a close fight in new zealand, but he still lost it. then you can put joshua after htose three if you want. but you can't put him in front, the guy got his butt kicked by andy ruiz last time he fought.
again,w hathave you done for me lately?
manny pacquaio has the best resume of any active fighter. is he pound for pound? nope! spence, crawford, loma, canelo, usyk, these guys all have lesser resumes but they're higher ranked pound for pound than pacqiao, becasue manny's best years were 10 years ago!
joshua's best win was wladimir klitschko and that was a long, long time ago in boxing years!
Deontay Wilder will go down in history as one of THE hardest hitters of all time. Just accept it, and stop hating. His resume is at least as good as any of his current alphabet rivals. His legacy will be built on his fights with Tyson Fury, whether that's two fights or three. At the moment his resume looks bad, because his best result is robbing Tyson Fury, the Lineal champion. But as we saw in that fight, Deontay has the power to put any man down. I expect an improved performance from him in the Gypsy King rematch, and if he can get the win over Tyson, that would do wonders for his legacy. Would be that Elite, career-defining win that critics have been ragging on him for not having all this time. I expect Tyson to win though, but I am a fan of both.
I'm not denying he's one of the hardest hitters of all time
He is the most explosive heavyweight since Mike Tyson. Just with a massive reach advantage.
His legacy RELIES on his VICTORY over Tyson Fury next year, otherwise it's kaput. AJ won't go near him. Whyte is an idiot for wanting to go near him.
The debate here is about his resume. Nothing more or less. and it's a known fact he skipped on Wlad in 2013/14 for the easier BUMane Stiverne title route.
yeah wilders resume is not great by any stretch
but he did fight two top 5 Hws and put them down a total of 5x in 24 rounds
he tried to fight povetkin and AJ
he wanted to rematch fury immediately.....all of them ran....AJ got knocked out....povetkin is nothing at this point...and fury ran to fight otto wallin and fake fight guys in tights......
so theres that
wilder will have made about 27-30 million in his last 3 fights after Ortiz 2.....there isn't an active American fighter that has made 27-30 mil in their career right now....
Deontay Wilder will go down in history as one of THE hardest hitters of all time. Just accept it, and stop hating. His resume is at least as good as any of his current alphabet rivals. His legacy will be built on his fights with Tyson Fury, whether that's two fights or three. At the moment his resume looks bad, because his best result is robbing Tyson Fury, the Lineal champion. But as we saw in that fight, Deontay has the power to put any man down. I expect an improved performance from him in the Gypsy King rematch, and if he can get the win over Tyson, that would do wonders for his legacy. Would be that Elite, career-defining win that critics have been ragging on him for not having all this time. I expect Tyson to win though, but I am a fan of both.