Guys in here acting like Kovalev didn't get robbed in the first Ward fight when they're mentioning Canelo getting gifts.
Give me Canelo all day. He's got years ahead of him and it won't even be close. 20 years from now, Canelo will still be talked about like May and Pac, Ward won't ever be mentioned unless old age Max Kellerman is telling stories at the senior center :)
Ok playing devil's advocate here: Your right Ward gets a gift for that first Kov fight. Now looking back at any great fighter, how many "gifts" has Ward gotten? Usually Ward wins in such dominant fashion that it is never contraversal. This includes a tournament against the best in the division at the time.
Didn't Mayweather receive a few gifts along the way?
My point is that all fighters will catch a few breaks... Some like Broner half his wins were breaks! Then we look at Ward and he catches a close decision agains Kov, and then wins the next one with a perfect counter punch... which is really what beat the russian.
YOu forget one thing: Ward can always come out of retirement and beat canelo what would that do to ward's legacy!! What would that do against Mayweather's legacy? Inquiring minds want to know.
But lets conveniently ignore the Kovalev wins were controversial as hell.
Ward lost the first Kov fight and needed to hit Kov in the balls to "beat" him in the second.
But lets not bring that up though.
You just did...
1) Lets look at Ward in totality. He won a tournament straight up that he was not expected to win and he did so dominating the competition. In at least one of those fights with Kov he hit him with a big punch that damaged the Russian considerably. Its on tape... One can see the effect of that punch.
Your caveat is duly noted. but given that punch and how it affected Kov...was that second win really that contraversal? I understand that Ward hit him low, but how much was that responsible for the way that fight played out? It had nothing to do with Kov getting tagged with that counter punch that much is certain.
What has Canelo done to merit the same consistent domination of his opponents, as Ward? I just do not see it. I will say this though: Wouldn't a fight between these two be the bees knees?!
yeh it is canelo, though ward is very good, he eclipsed his nearest rivals like calzaghe and benn and ottke in his first title fight.
but canelo has done something else.
You can say both, but for different reasons. If most of Canelo's good wins weren't either controversial or opportunistic, I'd say Canelo easily. He looks better on paper. But, looking at how many killers Ward beat in their primes vs the circumstances of Canelo's wins, Ward's have more value.
Guys in here acting like Kovalev didn't get robbed in the first Ward fight when they're mentioning Canelo getting gifts.
Give me Canelo all day. He's got years ahead of him and it won't even be close. 20 years from now, Canelo will still be talked about like May and Pac, Ward won't ever be mentioned unless old age Max Kellerman is telling stories at the senior center :)
I don't know but I know ward would have beat him if they ever fought
Ward is one guy that would never beat Canelo heads up.
someone that needs hometown judges and refs with 0 KO power would never win a fight using illegal tactics and favorable judging against Canelo
Canelo beats Ward 10/10 times.
Ward dominated 2 divisions. So, Ward clearly.
Dominated two division?
He had 4 fights at lhw to of them was against kov with one being a controversial win and the other was a tune up against a scrub.
Canelo resume is super bloated with old fighters and controversial wins I'm going to go with Ward.
I don't know but I know ward would have beat him if they ever fought
The time for that fight is now. Ward actually has a worthy opponent to train for. After he beat Kovalev most experts felt he could have handled triple G at a catchweight at least... But Canelo has filled out and can fight Ward at a good weight.
I would love to see Ward decide to train and do this fight. I can respect why he would stay retired...It is just the fan in me talking lol.
Ward got Kovalev, Froch and Kessler. Canelo got Kovalev and Cotto. Ward still got it, Canelo also has some controversial decisions going for him.
Green for this...Excellent point that people often forget: Ward was a dominant presence that did not need any judges decisions to keep it all going.
Boy oh boy though...would I love to see Ward back at it against Canelo! to decide this one! Be a great fight
Andre Ward beat the prime Sergey Kovalev; When he was a high risk fighter who was at his physical peak and whose skills and record were yet still unblemished. HBO attempted to set Ward up to fail by matchmaking that fight.
They didn't believe Andre would defeat Sergey Kovalev not only once but twice. However, SOG made liars out of those no good bastards; Which is the reason why they are no longer in the fight business to this day.
What Canelo Alvarez did tonight wasn't Jack shit compared to Ward! He beat an older, limited, washed up and shot version of Sergey Kovalev.
Andre Ward beat the prime Sergey Kovalev; When he was a high risk fighter who was at his physical peak and skills were unblemished. HBO attempted to set Ward up to fail by matchmaking that fight.
They didn't believe Andre would defeat Sergey Kovalev not once but twice. However, SOG made liars out of those no good bastards; Which is why they are out of the fight busines to this day.
What Canelo Alvarez did tonight wasn't Jack shit! He beat an older, limited, washed up and shot version of Sergey Kovalev.
Olympic Gold Medalist, Immense amateur record 'Super Six Champion' and undefeated.
It is probably a tie at this stage in their careers, reason being? Andre Ward pretty much just like Joe Calzaghe, answered every question at EVERY stage of his career inside of the ring. People state that Canelo Alvarez as green vs Mayweather, I disagree 'That was still his biggest fight to date and he was dominated' there is a realm of boxing ability in-which Alaverez cannot operate at etc
Green fighters don't beat Sugar Shane Mosley.