After All These Boxing Deaths, I Just Realized Something

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Low IQ thread, do an IQ test and you most likely have a double digit IQ. How many weight classes are there? How many HWs compared to MWs are there in the world? What is the HW to WW ratio? Low IQ is low. Work out those factors and then tell us the trend you are seeing. Damn, for someone who's talking about somebody else's IQ levels, you sure sound like one illiterate motherfxcker. "Low IQ is low"? Dude, I just did a cursory glance of the listed deaths and realized that really only one of the boxing deaths in the last 20 years was because of in the ring violence (the other guy died of a heart attack). HW's don't usually take sustained punishment, if they get caught clean they usually go down. It's the constant punishment that does the most damage. I imagine cutting weight is a massive contributory factor. Obviously HW dont have to make weight and can, within reason, eat and drink what they like. I've been saying this for years. Heavyweights don't have to cut weight. They don't boil down, they don't drain themselves. Draining yourself also drains the protective barrier between your brain and skull. Yeah, this is what I was thinking too, and wondering if maybe the key to lessening boxing deaths would be to find guys natural weights and make them fight there.

Each div has had 100k fights How many died/comtosed in each div, out of those 100k of fights ??? There are 10 bushels (each rep a div), each containing 100 various apples. All were picked the same day. Of those apples, how many are still ripe ??? If Grannys are the ripest kind of all, it can be assumed Grannys are the go to apple if you're looking for long lasting apples (until a better indicator is presented and placed side by side with the mentioned technique). IOW, you take the known info and extrapolate a conclusion. It will be right until proven wrong. Well in that case all we got is the data used above which basically says that heavys are no more or less likely over a 20 year period - under current boxing rules and practices - to suffer death or permanent disability than fighters in other divisions. You want to know if that relationship hold per fight instead of per unit time you'd have to crunch the numbers but I'll say up front that unless heavys fight much more or less frequently than other divisions on average that relation will still hold. Does that answer you question? All I been doing is explaining why that ain't a reliable statement, but if you want something to be going on with, there it is. Good enough for chatting on here but I wouldn't dream of claiming it as solid fact or basing any practice recommendations on it. EDIT: :rofl: And now you've gone planted a worm in my head, you bastard... gonna have to go figure out how many boxing matches there are each year per division. Damn.

Hmmmm..... Of ALL the known deaths and etc's that happened in boxing, no logical conclusion can be made ??? How much info is needed ??? To make a statistical comparison between divisions you'd need dozens in each division... like I say let's hope that never happens. You could possibly go back through the historical record and get some more data (some estimate 500 ring deaths historically), but both scanty record keeping and lack of medical records (or simply lack of treatment) in the early years would make this difficult and probably not very useful. Best way of tackling the problem would be some form of qualitative research - going through the medical records of the incident and longer medical histories of the fighters involved to try to glean points of confluence, maybe looking at punch counts for head punches, rehydration factors, fight duratiion, previous rounds boxed, previous KOs received, damn, anything at all that might be of relevance... basically micro-analysing each case, but its still unlikely to give you a definitive answer on whether the big guys are more or less likely to suffer death or debilitating injury.

Of the known boxing casualties and comas, how many were HW's ? What is the % of that total number ?? I can see how the thread starter can come to the conclusion that HW's are least likely to be seriously injured. I did the calculation in post #5 above based on the same data the TS was using. I know it ain't a laughing mater, but still..:lol1: According to Boxrec there's 1,312 active Heavies in the world out of a total of 18.081 active fighters of all divisions, or about 7.26%. Applied to the 27 deaths recorded in the Wiki page you'd expect that to translate into....1.96 HW deaths (assuming there was a statistically significant sample, which there ain't... really). I think it'd probably be safe to round that up to... umm... 2, whatchu reckon? Now how about that? So what we come out with is - with the caveat that there's insufficient data to claim accuracy - that Heavyweights are almost exactly as likely as anyone else to die in the ring or from injuries sustained in the ring. It's definitely a subject that requires more research, but I'd hope we never get enough deaths to make get a statistically reliable sample. EDIT: In terms of comas or boxers left with permanent disabilities as a result of acute trauma, I've had a quick scan of the internet but no hard and fast numbers or lists are coming up. Off the top of my head Mago's the only high profile HW one coming to mind, but just off my memory that doesn't seem out of line with cases in other divisions in the decade or so I've been paying close attention to boxing - again, though, when you're only talking about maybe 1 or 2 cases per decade it's hard to extract any useful statistical information. You simply need more cases than that to apply statistical methods reliably.

The most dangerous type of opponent for a fighters health is one who does not have big power but has tons of stamina and can throw 1000 punches in a fight. Big punchers will generally just knock you out. The non big punchers will keep rattling your brain after you get tired in the 8th, 9th 10th round etc. Heavyweights don't throw that many punches on average.

Robie Barrett and KillaMane26 made great points. I believe those are contributing factors. Not to mention 27 deaths over the past 20yrs is over an unknown amount of pro fights that have happened. Someone would have to have all the numbers to be able to make real sense of things. Referees could play a huge part too.

it's because heavyweights are more robust humans. we are not only taller, stronger, more likely to be promoted, make more money, more attractive to women and more respected by men; we are also more durable specimens. God made us better. it's as simple as that. God made small sub humans weak.

Of the 27 in-ring deaths over the past 20 years, only 2 have been heavyweights. That seems low considering that you'd think that much larger men who have more power and lesser stamina would be more likely to die in the ring. And out of those 2, both seemed to have some other mitigating factor. Tim Hague, who died in 2017, had been knocked out a bunch of times in MMA and shouldn't have even been in a boxing ring. And Brad Rone died of a heart attack. Why do you think that heavyweights rarely die from in ring injuries? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_injuries_sustained_in_boxing I've been saying this for years. Heavyweights don't have to cut weight. They don't boil down, they don't drain themselves. Draining yourself also drains the protective barrier between your brain and skull.

HW usually go down by only one punch and that doesn't kill you unless someone uses a big hammer against you, and then sometimes even that won't kill u. But when you sustain a brutal assault for 7-8-9-10 rounds, that is when things get tricky and you get l the damage in the world and you can die because of that.

I know it ain't a laughing mater, but still..:lol1: According to Boxrec there's 1,312 active Heavies in the world out of a total of 18.081 active fighters of all divisions, or about 7.26%. Applied to the 27 deaths recorded in the Wiki page you'd expect that to translate into....1.96 HW deaths (assuming there was a statistically significant sample, which there ain't... really). I think it'd probably be safe to round that up to... umm... 2, whatchu reckon? Now how about that? Dangerous to use logic on a forum based on keyboard-warriors.

Dangerous to use logic on a forum based on keyboard-warriors.

Good work with the statistical analysis there mate! But given the OP's observation that HW's hit significantly harder than lighter men in other divisions, I would say he raises a valid point ...on the face of it, you would expect the death rate in HW fights to be higher than in the lower divisions. Other posters have highlighted factors which possibly explain why HWs don't take as much serious damage as would be expected .. on the face of it. It's an interesting topic which maybe should be looked into more deeply. For sure. I'd be starting with asking the question of just what exactly it is - in clincal terms - that kills the fighters... going back through the contemporary medical reports and so on. Without that you've nowhere to start, though given what we've said already it doesn't seem an unreasonable premise to suggest that factors aside from power are critical. Frequency of getting hit is widely thought of now as being most significant in terms of chronic brain damage and perhaps that's an area worth examining for acute damage too. Perhaps the raw power is of most significance but is somehow mitigated by HWs not weight cutting or dehydrating, so bringing the risk back into line with the lower divisions. Who knows? First problem is though, that there simply isn't enough statistical information to do a useful quantitative study backed up by medical evidence - we might be able to increase our understanding of the risk factors across the whole sport, but with only an average of 2 deaths per division per 20 years or so, probably with a number of different causes there probably simply isn't enough to make a useful comparison between weights - and let's hope there never will be.

I know it ain't a laughing mater, but still..:lol1: According to Boxrec there's 1,312 active Heavies in the world out of a total of 18.081 active fighters of all divisions, or about 7.26%. Applied to the 27 deaths recorded in the Wiki page you'd expect that to translate into....1.96 HW deaths (assuming there was a statistically significant sample, which there ain't... really). I think it'd probably be safe to round that up to... umm... 2, whatchu reckon? Now how about that? There ain't really the depth of statistics to know I think (though of course there was the Mago tragedy a few years back) but the premise of this thread - that HWs are less likely to get killed - simply isn't backed up by the statistics provided. In fact given the limited information available it looks as if he HWs are virtually exactly as likely as everyone else to die during or following a bout. Good work with the statistical analysis there mate! But given the OP's observation that HW's hit significantly harder than lighter men in other divisions, I would say he raises a valid point ...on the face of it, you would expect the death rate in HW fights to be higher than in the lower divisions. Other posters have highlighted factors which possibly explain why HWs don't take as much serious damage as would be expected .. on the face of it. It's an interesting topic which maybe should be looked into more deeply.

I believe the point is, as hard as HW punch, their punches don't usually damage a guy like they do in the lower weights. Through all time, how many HW's have been perm damaged or killed in the ring ??? There ain't really the depth of statistics to know I think (though of course there was the Mago tragedy a few years back) but the premise of this thread - that HWs are less likely to get killed - simply isn't backed up by the statistics provided. In fact given the limited information available it looks as if he HWs are virtually exactly as likely as everyone else to die during or following a bout.

Heavyweights aren't killing their bodies and brains dehydrating themselves to make a weight they probably shouldn't be at. How many 12 rou d wars you seen at HW? Usually someone catches a shot and gets dropped and then the fight is either over right then or shortly after. Not many sustained beatings taking place at HW.

Robie Barrett and KillaMane26 made great points. I believe those are contributing factors.

Low IQ thread, do an IQ test and you most likely have a double digit IQ. How many weight classes are there? How many HWs compared to MWs are there in the world? What is the HW to WW ratio? Low IQ is low. Work out those factors and then tell us the trend you are seeing. This man statisticizes

Low IQ thread, do an IQ test and you most likely have a double digit IQ. How many weight classes are there? How many HWs compared to MWs are there in the world? What is the HW to WW ratio? Low IQ is low. Work out those factors and then tell us the trend you are seeing. Bruuuuuhhhh LOL! Had me in stitches - green K :)

I wouldn't have thought this was even a debate. I made a passing comment about it after the Patrick Day tragedy. Heavies aren't cutting weight and aren't sustaining as many blows.