should Beterbiev be on the top 10 p4p?

GGG fights at 160 and so does Canelo. If you believe as I do that GGG beat Canelo twice and has a 50/50 chance of beating Canelo a third time then you are not going to have Canelo at the top of the list and GGG not on the list, That would not be logical. I know you think Canelo is vastly superior to GGG but try to understand a hell of a lot of boxing fans don't agree with you on that. Dear Boliodogs it’s called P4P and in my opinion it’s almost common sense that it’s specific for fighter who’s skill is to the extent that that it compensates for the lack of power they will have fighting guys “naturally”bigger than them. You may not agree but in my definition of P4P Golovkin dosnt qualify. He may have at some point “had” the skill necessary but he never had the ambition or the courage to take that risk. My P4P list only has 2 guys on it right now and the other guys have a question mark on them till they sink or swim. I really don’t care what ppl say or think about who won both Canelo/Golovkin fights. I know what I saw and I still remember the extreme lies and the narratives which were invented to make Canelo look bad and Golovkin look like an ATG and an angel. So ppl saying Golovkin won isn’t surprising coming from ppl who were paid to spread lies. I don’t expect ppl to give up 4 years of rabid Golovkin fanatisism a rest just because he came up short to a person they “absolutely” hate! It was close and ppl arent gonna admit that Golovkin lost because the devotion to him is still strong. Look what just happened to him vs DC, I gave him 3 rounds I thought DC was the Ring general he made Golovkin look weak and he scored more blows. But you still have ppl out here lying about Golovkin winning that. Shoot you still got ppl like Teddy Atlas who didn’t even bother to talk about this fight on his podcast! Why? Because if he lies ppl will call him a fraud and if he tells the truth more than half of his fans will unsubscribe and hate him. That’s basically my position on that you may not agree but at some point this position will apply to one of your fighters like Usyk who is on my P4P list and then you might agree with me but no Golovkin is a great 160 lbs fighter but not P4P

Its good he unified the titles but that win wasnt anything to write home about to be honest, other then a 41 year old Stevenson its not like he has some great resume

First of all he's incorrect Loma is 5'7 Crawford 5'8 And Canelo 5'9 and even if they were all the same height so what? Alexis Arguello was the same height as Tyson and they were both P4P top 10 Also Loma and Crawford have both moved up 2 weight classes just like Canelo has

GGG fights at 160 and so does Canelo. If you believe as I do that GGG beat Canelo twice and has a 50/50 chance of beating Canelo a third time then you are not going to have Canelo at the top of the list and GGG not on the list, That would not be logical. I know you think Canelo is vastly superior to GGG but try to understand a hell of a lot of boxing fans don't agree with you on that. Thank God you’re not a judge

He’s better than Spence and Mickey

The thing with your argument is GGG shouldn’t even be on the list at all! I get that you believe GGG is equal or better than Canelo and that “may” be true but only @160 not at P4P! Not ever at P4P because GGG has never had the qualities of a P4P fighter. Next I have to agree. My list: 1. Crawford 2. Loma 3. Canelo 4. Usyk 5. Spence 6. Beterbiev 7. Inoue 8. Pac 9. Warrington 10. Wilder I have Crawford at No 1 because I've only ever seen him struggle vs Gamboa. And the way he gave away 6 rounds vs Dulorme just to terminate him at will is one of the most underappreciated performances of modern times. I think you can make a strong case for Warrington; I think he is the real deal. Wilder, I know how it looks, has tied a heavyweight defense record, has the highest KO ratio in heavyweight history, and is one of the fastest heavies ever. Not the best fundamentally, but most guys would've been upset by a low tier fighter in 42 fights.

No. Homie just getting started

The thing with your argument is GGG shouldn’t even be on the list at all! I get that you believe GGG is equal or better than Canelo and that “may” be true but only @160 not at P4P! Not ever at P4P because GGG has never had the qualities of a P4P fighter. Next Well it was just part of the argument, but if you follow what I'm trying to say and you want to take GGG off the list, that's perfect! just take Canelo off too and you now have 2 slots open for p4p list, they're that close! To me Shawn Porter isn't even close to be p4p Material and Mikey is a good boxer at his weight but hasn't done anything on the last year, so we can take Mikey off the list and probably Spence too FFS. You see if we're not hypocrites and follow our own rules it gets a lot easier to compose the top 10 p4p list. Don't get too tangled with Canelo and GGG, it was just an example to try to make room for Artur and also answer the question on the OP. Beterbiev definitely deserves to be on the list.

The thing with your argument is GGG shouldn’t even be on the list at all! I get that you believe GGG is equal or better than Canelo and that “may” be true but only @160 not at P4P! Not ever at P4P because GGG has never had the qualities of a P4P fighter. NextGGG fights at 160 and so does Canelo. If you believe as I do that GGG beat Canelo twice and has a 50/50 chance of beating Canelo a third time then you are not going to have Canelo at the top of the list and GGG not on the list, That would not be logical. I know you think Canelo is vastly superior to GGG but try to understand a hell of a lot of boxing fans don't agree with you on that.

Pound for pound is just personal opinion and very hard or impossible to prove, It is supposed to be how good you THINK a boxer is for his weight class judged by recent fights. That is just Ring magazine's opinion and nobody has to agree with it. Most fight fans have their own top ten PFP best list. Mikey and Pac don't make my top ten best an especially not Mikey. From what I have seen lately from Beterbiev he makes my top 10 PFP best list and more great wins like yesterday will raise him up higher. Pac was an all time great for sure but at his very old age I think some great young boxers are better pfp now.

a P4P list, is about people's perception, so anyone could be on the list. Saying that, Canelo shouldn't really be higher than GGG, their fights were close and on most scorecards he even lost, maybe Canelo and GGG could be closer to the 7-8th place and Beterbiev be closer to the 5th. Take Mikey off the list or anyone that hasn't done anything worth it on at least a year. A top 10 p4p list should be like a living animal, always changing. 1.Loma 2.Crawford 3.Canelo 4.Inoue 5.Usyk 5. Beterbiev 6.Spence 7.GGG 8.Estrada 9.Mikey 10.Pac The thing with your argument is GGG shouldn’t even be on the list at all! I get that you believe GGG is equal or better than Canelo and that “may” be true but only @160 not at P4P! Not ever at P4P because GGG has never had the qualities of a P4P fighter. Next

What's funny about this list is that Lomo and Crawford are the same height as Canelo and Canelo will be fighting at 175 in two weeks. If they are both so great why don't they have the balls to move up a class or two? As for beterbiev I'm not sure. I think he is good but maybe not elite and he's gonna be 35 soon. I don't think he'll turn elite in the next two years. Triple G is the same height as Mike Tyson Sebastian Fundora is the same height as Anthony Joshua Height means **** all You're an idiot.

a P4P list, is about people's perception, so anyone could be on the list. Saying that, Canelo shouldn't really be higher than GGG, their fights were close and on most scorecards he even lost, maybe Canelo and GGG could be closer to the 7-8th place and Beterbiev be closer to the 5th. Take Mikey off the list or anyone that hasn't done anything worth it on at least a year. A top 10 p4p list should be like a living animal, always changing. 1.Loma 2.Crawford 3.Canelo 4.Inoue 5.Usyk 5. Beterbiev 6.Spence 7.GGG 8.Estrada 9.Mikey 10.Pac

What's funny about this list is that Lomo and Crawford are the same height as Canelo and Canelo will be fighting at 175 in two weeks. If they are both so great why don't they have the balls to move up a class or two? As for beterbiev I'm not sure. I think he is good but maybe not elite and he's gonna be 35 soon. I don't think he'll turn elite in the next two years.

Mikey on a p4p list :lol1:

I think AB is around where Spence was after Spence KOed Brook...the eye test has been passed many times, and he proved it against another top guy in his division...should be pointed out too that Brook was a little damaged vs Spence and OG was seemingly as good as ever going in. I had Spence very high since around the Brook fight, so would have no issues with AB being high up there as well...resume wise he isn't really there, but eye-test/performance wise he can make a case vs just about anyone. Loma and Crawford would be clearly 1 and 2 imo right now...everyone else on that list is kind of subjective/has some pros and cons for me.

Yes. Mikey should be out.

He is most underrated boxer unfortunately. I strongly believe he deserves to be in top10

You can certainly make an argument for him being in the lower top 10, he resume lacks depth atm but his signature win is very impressive and he wins all his fights in dominant fashion so that counts for something. If he were to beat another one of the champs and pick up another belt, it would be hard not to include him in the top 10