Top fighters used as sparring?

im saying floyd would never be a sparring partner. do you think floyd would be a sparring partner to get another fighter ready??? Pretty sure he would if they could pay him Dafock kind of argument is this lol

im saying floyd would never be a sparring partner. do you think floyd would be a sparring partner to get another fighter ready??? there's a difference between good fighters and the elite. the elite will never have to be a sparring partner for another fighter. take it how you want. Pretty sure he would if they could pay him lol

im saying floyd would never be a sparring partner. do you think floyd would be a sparring partner to get another fighter ready??? there's a difference between good fighters and the elite. the elite will never have to be a sparring partner for another fighter. take it how you want. Krong gym fighters sparred with each other. Toney sparred with any and everyone. Norton and Fraizer were in the same camp sparring together. hahaha

that's the mindset of a c level fighter lol!!! would floyd ever be a sparring partner for another fighter??? actually floyd have worked out with other fighters. Boring azz Spadafora comes to mind. He and Judah also worked together when Zab was a top fighter at 140. Nothing wrong with getting work in. There is definitely something wrong with fighting twice a year in your prime and packing on 40 lbs in between fights. But that's just my opinion.

wow 1 good win and he's an elite top fighter? lol You sound like you just need some attention man...open up your Grindr account and holler at some guys or something...come back when you get your mind right and are ready to talk boxing

:lol1: I ****ed it up anyway. That **** didn't happen to James. I went to look into Black Genesis by Kevin R Smith to be a smartass and actually quote the champions, Richmond, and James. James fought much later than the era I was speaking to. I need to look up who the **** it actually was and fix the post :lol1: ****. I know you didn't mean to, but, thanks for the correction. My bad y'all. Lol well It was a good read anyway, sincerely

I was going to insult you at first, and I'm trying really hard not to. But do you think fighters would rather spar with a weak opponent with no skills or someone who can actually push them? im saying floyd would never be a sparring partner. do you think floyd would be a sparring partner to get another fighter ready??? there's a difference between good fighters and the elite. the elite will never have to be a sparring partner for another fighter. take it how you want.

personally, i dont respect a fighter that was once used as a sparring partner for another fighter. I was going to insult you at first, and I'm trying really hard not to. But do you think fighters would rather spar with a weak opponent with no skills or someone who can actually push them?

Foreman was a sparring partner for Sonny Liston

If I were an upcoming fighter, I'd be sparring with all of the top fighters in my weight class and near it to learn them, get that sparring money, use it as training for my fights so that I wouldn't have to pay sparring partners, and to stay in shape all year. I don't understand how fighters just turning pro are having less than 6 or 7 fights every 12 months. that's the mindset of a c level fighter lol!!! would floyd ever be a sparring partner for another fighter???

Good point about where he got his style from. Did you know that Stallone based Clubber Lang on Holmes because as you said all the flack he took for being known as his sparring partner, and then beating up on an old Ali made him bitter because he never got the respect he was due "Marciano couldn't hold my jock" Clubber Lang was based on Foreman, actually. Right down to Rocky using a Rope a Dope tactic to get the win.

wow 1 good win and he's an elite top fighter? lol defended that strap against Larry Holmes. That's two HOF calibre wins in 7 months. Just stop. Larry Holmes was Muhammad Ali's sparring partner also.

former world champ doesnt mean anything when comparing it to the "elite".. anyone can be a champ on a lucky night. horn was a champ, do you consider him elite? lmao! Jeff Horn didn't KO Lennox Lewis to become Heavyweight Champion of the World. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you think, if you're a boxer ranked in the top ten of your division, you're "elite"

Porter used to be Pac’s sparring partner at Wildcard exxactly! lol. that's why i will always view porter as pac's sparring partner and nothing more.

He beat Lennox Lewis...and had an ATG chin...you sound foolish with this thread man, not a good look wow 1 good win and he's an elite top fighter? lol

Wills-Dempsey was the first thing I thought of, but I can do better than a few names. Sparring starts in England MUCH earlier than it does in America and has a very different story. In England sparring was two things. The first and main reason guys would spar early on was to test a man, or even a fight. Guys like James Wharton would show up to a fella like Bill Richmond's place talking about how they heard about the Molineaux-Cribb fight and they reckon they could do what Moli did. Bill take James to the Five Courts, a boxing center where trainers, former boxers and champions, and backers all hang out and talk shop. They put on the gloves and James works his way through a couple of champions. Huge big deal. Of course the champions were not looking to hurt James, they were looking to text him. From situations like that sparring evolves from a test to a staple in training thanks to none other than Richmond's rival Tom Cribb. Tom Cribb hadn't been trained when he was champion. He was more or less just a natural talent. Olden would teach him tricks here and there and test his ability to perform them, sparring, but after Cribb "beat" Moli Captain Barclay took Cribb under his wing and instructed him to cut red meat, alcohol, run daily, and to spar to keep himself ready for the big show. All four at the time were revolutionary. Cribb retires and becomes a trainer himself. As champion and as trainer Cribb is often putting gloves on nobles to teach them boxing lessons. He spars them regularly. This is really what makes gloves important in boxing. The champion MUST hit hard, if a noble can take it then he's not much of a champ. How do you hit the King in the face without ****ing up his Kingly features or hitting soft like a womurn? Gloves was how. Nice big ass pillow suckers. From Cribb you really get into the modernization of boxing, training is being formed at this time. If you're still drinking ale, eating meat, not running, and nor sparring, you're probably American. Also, just like before Cribb, at this time, trainers are either former boxers or rich dudes who can afford to buy former boxers' time. Either way what you're left with is young guys being trained by champions to become the next champion. American boxing, in short, had no rules. Then in the 1830s London Prize Ring Rules came over to the states and by the 1850s America got her first American Champion on American soil. Moli was the US champ, but only in England, the US hardly knew about Moli. In America they still believed in keeping themselves raw for a fight. The idea was sparring would lead to relaxing too much in a fight and to keep their beastly nature they had to only bring it out when they mean to hurt and maim. Also, they still believe red meat and alcohol added to their power. Not sure their aversion to running. Anyway, While Cribb was training white, christian, rich boys Mendoza and more importantly Richmond trained black, jewish, poor boys. The black lineage from 1810 to 1850 is a bit hard to recall off the cuff but if you're interested I could look it all up and have it ready, but, what happened was by 1850 blacks were bringing defense centered techniques and sparring to the US. In America sparring was seen as sissy **** while boxing was seen by those who liked sparring as stupid and barbaric. Sparring became its own sport. I **** you not. The main perpetrator of sparring as its own sport would be Aaron Molyneaux Hewlett, who would go on to be the first black man serving as a Harvard professor. Seeing the value of sparring, black american boxers took to it like a duck to water. They could practice keeping themselves safe. Seeing the value in their performances in the ring white america would have it adopted by the 1890s. It's not until the 1900s we actually have a wealth of guys who are not boxers training young boxers. They, like they do now, hire older and more seasoned boxers. Or rather, they shop their youngblood around with the seasoned guys to see who sees value in paying to have that kid in their camp. Most guys, like Corbett, had a pupil they believed in and if they didn't they certainly did pay to have young, tough, sparring partners. During the colorline it'd be difficult to claim pupils so much as helping one another out. Morris Grant did more than help Jack Johnson with sparring, he gave JJ a place to live. Scalping Morris may not be the champion Jack became but he was the colored champion before Jack and helped Jack get there, sparring is one of manly things they did and Morris is not alone there.....actually :lol1: I may have Morris and Childs mixed up. Either Morris Grant oir Frank Childs, one of them dudes helped JJ a bunch until he kicked JJ out to bang whores....seriously, in the rain too. Anyway, if you want more detail, maybe a list of champions and who they sparred, it'd be a cool project to work on, I could do that, but my point is really from the outset, even before they had trainers to truck them from champ to champ, how a young boxer made his name amongst the fans and fighters was by going to their place, putting on some soft gloves, and going a few rounds. Even in the bare knuckle era. There is literally no era in boxing when gloves are actually alien to the sport and sparring the guys with names during their active years has always been how young guys catch their breaks, learn new tricks, and get big fights. i have no idea who you just name. not an elite fighter.

Former world heavyweight champion? former world champ doesnt mean anything when comparing it to the "elite".. anyone can be a champ on a lucky night. horn was a champ, do you consider him elite? lmao!

If I were an upcoming fighter, I'd be sparring with all of the top fighters in my weight class and near it to learn them, get that sparring money, use it as training for my fights so that I wouldn't have to pay sparring partners, and to stay in shape all year. I don't understand how fighters just turning pro are having less than 6 or 7 fights every 12 months.

took larry holmes damn near until the end of his career for people to stop labeling him as the ali sparring partner. idiots like the TS were reluctant to open their eyes and see that they had one of the very best HW ever in front of them. and perhaps more than any of the others we have talked about, larry holmes took a lot of things from ali's style and ran with them. holding behind the head, clinching, these are things a tall and long fighter needs to learn to do and don't come naturally! Good point about where he got his style from. Did you know that Stallone based Clubber Lang on Holmes because as you said all the flack he took for being known as his sparring partner, and then beating up on an old Ali made him bitter because he never got the respect he was due "Marciano couldn't hold my jock"

Shawn Porter used to be Pacquiao's sparring partner Larry Holmes I believe was Ali's took larry holmes damn near until the end of his career for people to stop labeling him as the ali sparring partner. idiots like the TS were reluctant to open their eyes and see that they had one of the very best HW ever in front of them. and perhaps more than any of the others we have talked about, larry holmes took a lot of things from ali's style and ran with them. holding behind the head, clinching, these are things a tall and long fighter needs to learn to do and don't come naturally!