With the fight last night, I thought I would ask how some on here would sum up what constitutes a robbery in boxing.
Seems like an obvious question...but I am curious as to how some on here score fights.
For me, a robbery is when I just cannot see a way to the guy getting the number of rounds needed to win, and that guy is given the victory.
I think in most fights a couple round spread is acceptable...there are generally 6-8 close rounds in a fight, and if you shade them 5-3 either way, then that could turn a 7-5 fight one way, into a 7-5 fight the other way...having a 'could go either way' fight happens about 5% of the time imo...95% of the time there is a clear winner, and only 1 winner.
I don't really see how people are saying Porter got 'robbed'...I gave him 6 rounds and I felt generous doing so...maybe he could have gotten to 7 rounds...but I think Spence could have won 7-8 rounds as well...that was an awkward fight to score for sure, as the aggressor was maybe not always landing more/cleaner shots.
Basically I just scratch my head at what we all consider robberies...I feel like I have seen quite a few in recent years...and I cannot even really take seriously the other side if they feel the guy who won did so legit...yet others swear Porter was robbed here, or Manny was robbed vs Horn, and I didn't see either of those happen.
I just look for what the judges were looking for once I have their scorecards. So, I don't hardly speak about robberies 'cause I don't hardly see any.
Historical robberies are easier.
Mendoza was robbed against Jackson
Molineaux was screwed over against Cribb
Fitzsimmons in the Earp-Sharkey affair
Godfrey against Primo
Yankee Sullivan against John Morrissey
Pretty much all of the robberies I talk about.
**** like Krusher shouldn't have suffered so many dick shots really doesn't mean anything to me. Krusher is very lucky he lives in a nice, safe, cushy era where ***** ass fans can cry for him about what the ref calls low blows.
Pac lost all the fights he's lost, and, if the judges went against him in some of his closer matches, like JMM before the KO, I'd've understood that. Pac's a ****in' crybaby who doesn't know what it's like to actually get robbed.
Tyson's Fury's ass should be over the moon with his Draw. So should Deontay Wilder's ungrateful ass. Both them childs need to man the **** up and admit, 1.) Mister Fury you hardly won punch count and punch count alone is not a strong argument for victory. 2.) Mister Wilder needs to recognize Jack Reiss is well with in his ****in' right to slow count so even if the count was slow suck it the **** up and hit the mother ****er harder.
I really don't give a ****. If robbery amounts to the judges not going your way in a close fight you're a *****ass.
I can't speak to the historical ones you mentioned...the others I largely agree with...I will say Kov-Ward 1 was the worst robbery in a big fight that I ever watched live.
Fight 2 had some legitimate controversy with the 'low blows'...especially imo since the fight ended with at least 2 clearly low shots...but that being said, I don't think Kov handled the low tactics exceptionally well, and I don't give him a pass there...just wish there was more of a conclusive ending to that/those fight(s).
Also I never watched most of Manny's fights...but vs Horn I thought Horn was slightly the better man that night and had 0 issue with him winning.
There has never been a heavyweight fight when the challenger hit the canvas twice, wasn't awarded a loss, and still was allegedly "robbed".
No need to check. This would've been impossible in any other era.
That was always basically my stance too...you can't hit the floor twice and then call robbery....MAYBE if you dominated every second of every other round...but that very rarely happens in any fight, especially if you got KD twice.
Wilder-Fury for example...Wilder can pretty clearly get to 5 rounds imo, and he did on my card...so I can't say a draw was a robbery there.
There has never been a heavyweight fight when the challenger hit the canvas twice, wasn't awarded a loss, and still was allegedly "robbed".
No need to check. This would've been impossible in any other era.
A robbery is any close fight the guy you like loses or the guy you hate wins
Kind of...I do feel there are clear examples of robberies, but yes a lot of times it is the situation you mentioned.
Wilder-Fury for example...Wilder can pretty clearly get to 5 rounds imo, and he did on my card...so I can't say a draw was a robbery there.
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knowledgeable fans do not use compubox
which is why we laugh when you casual-fan morons use it
after those two fights... it is clearly obvious who the better fighter is
not surprised at all that you don't know :lol1:
you, creating a thread criticizing posters for crying robbery... but then crying robbery in that very thread... is priceless :lol1:
just like how when you misquoted Steve Weisfeld, insinuating that his system would have awarded the fight to Golovkin... but not realizing that he was an official judge who awarded that fight to Canelo... was priceless
Great example of why I end up having to put you on ignore man lol...you either don't debate in good faith or can't read man...no offense on that one but I don't know what else it could be...reading comprehension is like a 3rd grade skill bro, it should not be that hard...you are like 65 years old :) just messing with ya.
I said those punch stat numbers are 'mine'....not from compubox...though compubox does often get it right and I agree more or less with their numbers in those 2 fights.
Yes we all saw who the better fighter was in those 2 fights...it was obvious, I agree with you.
Just referenced that my original post was asking what some guys on here consider a robbery...and in that post I acknowledged that some fights that some consider a robbery, I don't...and some fights in recent years were clear robberies imo...also I don't really give 2 sh.its about the GGG fights, since he got paid so well...he got paid handsomely for his 0 and belts so what can ya do...who cares, not me...you seem to be infatuated with it though :) lol
Already explained the situation regarding Weisfeld a million times...just a waste of time with you man...again this is why you are often put on ignore on here lol.
If you can make your point and it is obvious etc...you should be able to do it without name-calling the other side...just makes you look small and makes your opinion seem really biased imo...like you have an agenda.
I try and give you chances on here since every time I take you off ignore you come into my threads lol...but just try and keep it a little more grown-up from now on my friend...you kind of come in to these threads sometimes and just ruin the mood...we are all here to talk boxing, and as a 65 year old man you shouldn't be acting like a teenager when it comes to debating.
creates a thread criticizing posters for crying robbery...
... but then cries robbery :lol1::lol1:
....this was in my original post:
Basically I just scratch my head at what we all consider robberies...I feel like I have seen quite a few in recent years...and I cannot even really take seriously the other side if they feel the guy who won did so legit...yet others swear Porter was robbed here, or Manny was robbed vs Horn, and I didn't see either of those happen.
My thread was 'What constitutes a robbery?' ...and I asked fellow posters on here what they considered a robbery...I don't think your reading comprehension is very good usually my friend...maybe that is partially why you end up looking a bit foolish on here.
I think you are probably a decent guy man, and I honestly try to give you a chance on here and help you out...I've gotten PMs about you on here from numerous guys and I don't think you are too well-liked.
I think if you kept it a little more real on here and just stuck to boxing and left your feelings out of it, you would be looked at more favorably on here...I can tell you get a lot of satisfaction from posting here so just genuinely trying to help ya out...you are kind of a pariah and with how much you seem to enjoy being on this site, I think you would be better off just keeping it real and enjoying the boxing and leaving your feelings out of it.
Hope you have a great day buddy!
This was not a robbery. It was a close fight.
The problem is that these close fights never ever go to the B side fighter.
I think I agree with the decision, but if Porter was the A side fighter he would have gotten the decision 100%.
And that's disappointing as a boxing fan.
Good post man...well said
Those puppy dog fans would get the rude awakening, if they went in for a hug-n-grab with their hero, only to get tackled and arrested.
''But I love you, my dude :crying:''
''Hell yeah I want to press charges. That weirdo grabbed my nuts !''
Lol! good stuff man...
Canelo had no one round in either fight where he significantly outlanded GGG...I just can't really take anyone seriously who says Nelo had 5 clear rounds...in the first fight of all things...just wild imo...and that's me saying that Nelo did not have 1 round where he significantly outlanded GGG, not necessarily compubox...though compubox had basically the same numbers I do when I watch those fights, and they often times get it right.
If someone really hates GGG they can try and say he didn't 'live up to expectations' vs Nelo and even Jacobs...but to say he didn't win those fights quite clearly...I mean just very biased imo.
Also I have never really said a bad word about Nelo or DJ or any other fighter on here...if I critique a guy/his resume, I do it without resorting to name-calling of him, and still give them credit where it is due...I don't get my self-worth out of my guy winning or the 'other' guy losing, so I don't really give two sh.its about who wins a fight when it starts...just let the best man win...these dudes are getting beat up for our entertainment...the least we can do is acknowledge who the better man was when it is quite clear.
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knowledgeable fans do not use compubox
which is why we laugh when you casual-fan morons use it
after those two fights... it is clearly obvious who the better fighter is
not surprised at all that you don't know :lol1:
you, creating a thread criticizing posters for crying robbery... but then crying robbery in that very thread... is priceless :lol1:
just like how when you misquoted Steve Weisfeld, insinuating that his system would have awarded the fight to Golovkin... but not realizing that he was an official judge who awarded that fight to Canelo... was priceless
Canelo had no one round in either fight where he significantly outlanded GGG...I just can't really take anyone seriously who says Nelo had 5 clear rounds...in the first fight of all things...just wild imo...and that's me saying that Nelo did not have 1 round where he significantly outlanded GGG, not necessarily compubox...though compubox had basically the same numbers I do when I watch those fights, and they often times get it right.
If someone really hates GGG they can try and say he didn't 'live up to expectations' vs Nelo and even Jacobs...but to say he didn't win those fights quite clearly...I mean just very biased imo.
Also I have never really said a bad word about Nelo or DJ or any other fighter on here...if I critique a guy/his resume, I do it without resorting to name-calling of him, and still give them credit where it is due...I don't get my self-worth out of my guy winning or the 'other' guy losing, so I don't really give two sh.its about who wins a fight when it starts...just let the best man win...these dudes are getting beat up for our entertainment...the least we can do is acknowledge who the better man was when it is quite clear.
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knowledgeable fans do not use compubox
which is why we laugh when you casual-fan morons use it
after those two fights... it is clearly obvious who the better fighter is
not surprised at all that you don't know :lol1:
This was not a robbery. It was a close fight.
The problem is that these close fights never ever go to the B side fighter.
I think I agree with the decision, but if Porter was the A side fighter he would have gotten the decision 100%.
And that's disappointing as a boxing fan.
''Only my guy is natural and skillful. All others are losers and roiders :) !''
And they are not at all shy about exposing themselves.
Lol :) This is true
And yeah I mean in almost all of these situations...there is not much to separate one fighter they love from another one they hate...even if you feel your guy won/is better, often times it was a good competitive fight/they have similar accolades...it's kind of bizarre the level of love some have for one and the hate for the other...idk I just don't get it lol...maybe there are a lot of youngsters on here or something.
Hopefully that person has 20/20.
Gotta give credit where credit is due, at all times.
It might be painful but -
'':( Yeah, my guy got gifted this time. I hope there is a rematch so he can earn that win.''
Not in our life times :haha:
Lol nope...honestly I don't really mind fans of a fighter seeing it for their guy...we are all fans, so we can be biased and fanatical...but I cringe when I see haters of a fighter chime in on that guy's fight and score it against him, no matter what.
I see that a lot on here...like is it that serious...they follow these boxers that they supposedly hate...and have their scorecard ready when they fight, ready to fill in every round for the opponent lol...I just couldn't imagine caring that much...idk it's just kind of dumb imo.
And then some people are so nasty about it too...for some people it's like 'yeah, I really think you're unbiased buddy, when all your posts are lil g/Canela/Pacroid/Gayweather etc...and then when you score their fights you have them losing every time' Shocking :) lol
When a so called fight fan defends a clear robbery (because either their guy received the gift or the victim is a fighter they hate), that fan should start wearing dresses and peddle their ass at $5 a pop. Half if the customer has a coupon.
yeah that's kind of my feeling too...I honestly don't care one bit if the guy I like going in wins...if he is good enough he will win, if not the other guy wins, who gives a sh.it...just call it like you see it ya know
Anything other than a KO.
Guarantee someone will be crying robbery.
unreasonable boxing fans looking for a reason to complain
Unfortunately that would be how it seems...your image prompted another thought of mine...I thought Fury-Wilder was a draw...not really seeing how people had Fury clearly winning that many rounds in that fight...and Wilder with the 2 10-8 rounds gave himself a chance...just the all over reaction of some fans in these fights is weird imo.
Like to me it is obvious when it is a close fight...and when there is a clear winner.
say this...
but then does this...
... omg...
Canelo had no one round in either fight where he significantly outlanded GGG...I just can't really take anyone seriously who says Nelo had 5 clear rounds...in the first fight of all things...just wild imo...and that's me saying that Nelo did not have 1 round where he significantly outlanded GGG, not necessarily compubox...though compubox had basically the same numbers I do when I watch those fights, and they often times get it right.
If someone really hates GGG they can try and say he didn't 'live up to expectations' vs Nelo and even Jacobs...but to say he didn't win those fights quite clearly...I mean just very biased imo.
Also I have never really said a bad word about Nelo or DJ or any other fighter on here...if I critique a guy/his resume, I do it without resorting to name-calling of him, and still give them credit where it is due...I don't get my self-worth out of my guy winning or the 'other' guy losing, so I don't really give two sh.its about who wins a fight when it starts...just let the best man win...these dudes are getting beat up for our entertainment...the least we can do is acknowledge who the better man was when it is quite clear.
I can't put it in words (so here are some words :) )
The best I could do is use some examples -
DLH vs Trinidad
Pac vs Horn
Pac vs Bradley 1
Pea vs Ramirez 1
DLH vs Mosley (1 or 2)
(victim is on the left)
When a guy is reduced to throwing, and maybe, landing 1 punch at a time.
When a guy resorts to dirty tactics hoping to cause a cut or fool judges into thinking dirty is ''effective aggression''.
When a guy is so thoroughly outclassed you just can't find rounds to give him.
Usually, when it's all tallied up, he who lands the most wins.
How can a guy who lands less win a fight ???
In what scenario, that doesn't have knock downs, can a guy who landed less punches win that fight ?!?!?
''Compubox (humans counting punches) DKSAB !!!''
:lol1:
Let that same person see his hero get robbed and see how fast they turn to punch stats to state their case -
''My guy OUTLANDED that guy 4 to 1 !!!! Straight up robbery !!!''
Judges who favor a certain style should be banned from judging. You don't score style unless it effective.
Good post man...for the record, I only cite compubox when it more or less backs up what I see in the ring...which makes sense in a way...I think all compubox is, is two guys counting the punches, one for each guy...most of the time those guys get it about right, since that is all they are looking for...but sometimes they seem to miss a lot of the work that one of the guys is doing imo.