It's when fights like these happen that the really stupid people show themselves on here. All I'm seeing is this is a cherry pick like Kovalev is some wounded dog ready to be put down...are you kidding me? He may be past it but this is a guy that was not that long ago, one of the best fighters in the world. He hasn't got that many miles on the clock. Can Canelo win? Yes he can, but considering he just about edged out Daniel Jacob's in his last fight, I'm not seeing how anyone gets from there to Kovalev has no chance. This some Hopkins-Trindidad Sheet again.
You've got a guy that's 6"-6"1 with a good reach, made a career of using it, hits like a train, can box his ass off, against a guy that's 5"8 on a good day, absolutely unbelievable talent, but has problems moving forward, average engine(at elite level)...he may get to Kovalevs body, but I see him paying the price to get there.
Unless Kovalev gets shot overnight, doesn't make weight healthily, and/or Canelo is ped'd to the max...I just dont see this fight as anything but a pick em, if not Kovalev the fav.
Did you watch? Jacobs couldn't do ****.
“Edged” is hilarious.
Yes I watched - like many Canelo fights he out skilled his opponent for periods and then got outworked for periods...it was a close competitive fight
You're right. It probably won't be an easy fight for Canelo. What I do think is Canelo is a guy who takes risks but they're calculated risk.
He sees weakness in Kovalev and thinks he can exploit it. It's interesting that Jacobs has a longer reach than Kovalev and Canelo was able to out jab him at times. Kov has a more powerful jab than Jacobs but Canelo is much quicker and likes to counter.
BTY If you watch the Yarde fight , you'll notice he started hurting Kov to the body in the 7th and continued in the 8th.
ye, is true. he remembered to work the body a little late. but it was surprising how well kovalev recovered in the ninth round.
You think a 50/50 = a cherry pick ? All I'm saying is some people are portraying that Kovalev has 0% chance of beating Canelo, and that's why Canelo chose him. Then I'm saying, because of the size, and the fact Kova is still dangerous, he has at least a 50/50 shot, as opposed to 1/99, that some believe.
So... to me 1/99 is a cherry pick, not a 50/50. Saying "something else" just means that sure, Canelo gets some credit for a 50/50 risk. If he was facing Gvozdyk, he would have less than a 50/50 shot, and get even more credit.
Like I said, I think when you go up in weight, I'm ok with choosing a winnable or 50/50 fight...
I didn’t say anything I asked you a question. Because a 50/50 fight when you are “jumping up 2 divisions” does not sound like it isn’t just saying. I’ll put it to you this way, pacquaio goes to 160 do you favor him at 50/50 with Charlo? Money goes to 154 do you favor him 50/50 against Jrock, the other charlo? Again I’m not criticizing I’m just asking you what you meant, you said he’s not a cherry but it’s 50/50? Btw I think there is an obvious power danger if Kovalev lands but I also think Kovalev is in a world of trouble if he can’t keep canelo at arms length it’s in interesting fight. I’d like to see him fight Bivol though.
Even though Canelo for some reason seems to be a big favorite on paper. Kovalev won't get any credit for knocking out a much smaller Canelo.
If Kovalev KOs Canelo he will get lots of credit on here. Canelo is like a god to many posters on here. They think he is unbeatable and call him Godnelo, Emperor Canelo, Bossnelo and nonsense like that. They don't think he can lose and certainly not by KO. If Kovalev KOs him much of this forum will be in shock. Truth is Canelo does have an iron jaw but maybe Kovalev can crack that chin.
yes, kovalev was almost KO'd, almost is not enough. and a couple of things, that was only a round, the eight round. other than that kovalev outboxed (and ended up KOing) yarde. i'm not here to defend canelo, but if there is no CW or rehydratation clause, this is a tough fight for him. people keep talking about kovalev's body, but how is canelo gonna get pass that jab and kova's attack? is he simply gonna let canelo get to him that easy?
i do think they are aiming at probably the weakest champion at 175 lbs right now because no way in hell canelo fights the winner of beterbiev-gvozdyk (nor bivol) but still this is a tough fight as i said before
You're right. It probably won't be an easy fight for Canelo. What I do think is Canelo is a guy who takes risks but they're calculated risk.
He sees weakness in Kovalev and thinks he can exploit it. It's interesting that Jacobs has a longer reach than Kovalev and Canelo was able to out jab him at times. Kov has a more powerful jab than Jacobs but Canelo is much quicker and likes to counter.
BTY If you watch the Yarde fight , you'll notice he started hurting Kov to the body in the 7th and continued in the 8th.
It's when fights like these happen that the really stupid people show themselves on here. All I'm seeing is this is a cherry pick like Kovalev is some wounded dog ready to be put down...are you kidding me? He may be past it but this is a guy that was not that long ago, one of the best fighters in the world. He hasn't got that many miles on the clock. Can Canelo win? Yes he can, but considering he just about edged out Daniel Jacob's in his last fight, I'm not seeing how anyone gets from there to Kovalev has no chance. This some Hopkins-Trindidad Sheet again.
You've got a guy that's 6"-6"1 with a good reach, made a career of using it, hits like a train, can box his ass off, against a guy that's 5"8 on a good day, absolutely unbelievable talent, but has problems moving forward, average engine(at elite level)...he may get to Kovalevs body, but I see him paying the price to get there.
Unless Kovalev gets shot overnight, doesn't make weight healthily, and/or Canelo is ped'd to the max...I just dont see this fight as anything but a pick em, if not Kovalev the fav.
Did you watch? Jacobs couldn't do ****.
“Edged” is hilarious.
It's when fights like these happen that the really stupid people show themselves on here. All I'm seeing is this is a cherry pick like Kovalev is some wounded dog ready to be put down...are you kidding me? He may be past it but this is a guy that was not that long ago, one of the best fighters in the world. He hasn't got that many miles on the clock. Can Canelo win? Yes he can, but considering he just about edged out Daniel Jacob's in his last fight, I'm not seeing how anyone gets from there to Kovalev has no chance. This some Hopkins-Trindidad Sheet again.
You've got a guy that's 6"-6"1 with a good reach, made a career of using it, hits like a train, can box his ass off, against a guy that's 5"8 on a good day, absolutely unbelievable talent, but has problems moving forward, average engine(at elite level)...he may get to Kovalevs body, but I see him paying the price to get there.
Unless Kovalev gets shot overnight, doesn't make weight healthily, and/or Canelo is ped'd to the max...I just dont see this fight as anything but a pick em, if not Kovalev the fav.
Why in the fuc do you think the pro odds makers have Canelo a 5 to 1 betting favorite? The bookies are not stupid. They handicap boxers for a living and they are damn good at it. They have to be because they do it for a living. The odds are not always correct but they usually are. Go to any betting place and Canelo is a huge favorite because Kovalev looks like a shot champion. Sure he is still dangerous and could win and he could score a KO but the odds are he won't. If you think otherwise bet on Kovalev and win 3 dollars for every dollar you bet IF Kovalev wins. Good luck. I hope Kovalev wins and turns out to be a cherry pick that went wrong but I doubt that happens, Kovalev can't win on points in Vegas. He needs a KO to win. Even big puncher GGG could not drop Canelo in two fights so Canelo has an iron jaw and is very difficult to KO.
there are just alot of gggroupie superfans that hate to see fighters doing more and trying harder than their false idol
they will tell u that kova is shot and "lost 3 out of his last 7 and was ko'd twice"....then in another thread about ward theyll tell you how kova was robbed once and then cheated in the 2nd.....their stories never add up
which one is it...is kova shot and a loser? or did he get robbed and cheated against ward?
Ok I’m confused...did you mean something else? You called it a 50/50 but state Kovalev isn’t a shot cherry pick . How can this be both? Canelo is moving up 7 pounds to a new division wouldn’t the odds favor the bigger man also champion? I’m not arguing the choice of opponent or making any statements currently about Kovalev being shot or past his sell by date, I’m just confused because one statement cancelled out the other.
You think a 50/50 = a cherry pick ? All I'm saying is some people are portraying that Kovalev has 0% chance of beating Canelo, and that's why Canelo chose him. Then I'm saying, because of the size, and the fact Kova is still dangerous, he has at least a 50/50 shot, as opposed to 1/99, that some believe.
So... to me 1/99 is a cherry pick, not a 50/50. Saying "something else" just means that sure, Canelo gets some credit for a 50/50 risk. If he was facing Gvozdyk, he would have less than a 50/50 shot, and get even more credit.
Like I said, I think when you go up in weight, I'm ok with choosing a winnable or 50/50 fight...
The days when Kovalev"...could box his ass off" are long gone.
The Yarde fight showed us a Kovalev who is a shot fighter.
His legs are gone and when Yarde finally managed a sustained body attack, Kovalev was almost out of there.
A good big man beats a good little man but in this case a good little man beats a faded big man.
yes, kovalev was almost KO'd, almost is not enough. and a couple of things, that was only a round, the eight round. other than that kovalev outboxed (and ended up KOing) yarde. i'm not here to defend canelo, but if there is no CW or rehydratation clause, this is a tough fight for him. people keep talking about kovalev's body, but how is canelo gonna get pass that jab and kova's attack? is he simply gonna let canelo get to him that easy?
i do think they are aiming at probably the weakest champion at 175 lbs right now because no way in hell canelo fights the winner of beterbiev-gvozdyk (nor bivol) but still this is a tough fight as i said before
It's when fights like these happen that the really stupid people show themselves on here. All I'm seeing is this is a cherry pick like Kovalev is some wounded dog ready to be put down...are you kidding me? He may be past it but this is a guy that was not that long ago, one of the best fighters in the world. He hasn't got that many miles on the clock. Can Canelo win? Yes he can, but considering he just about edged out Daniel Jacob's in his last fight, I'm not seeing how anyone gets from there to Kovalev has no chance. This some Hopkins-Trindidad Sheet again.
You've got a guy that's 6"-6"1 with a good reach, made a career of using it, hits like a train, can box his ass off, against a guy that's 5"8 on a good day, absolutely unbelievable talent, but has problems moving forward, average engine(at elite level)...he may get to Kovalevs body, but I see him paying the price to get there.
Unless Kovalev gets shot overnight, doesn't make weight healthily, and/or Canelo is ped'd to the max...I just dont see this fight as anything but a pick em, if not Kovalev the fav.
The days when Kovalev"...could box his ass off" are long gone.
The Yarde fight showed us a Kovalev who is a shot fighter.
His legs are gone and when Yarde finally managed a sustained body attack, Kovalev was almost out of there.
A good big man beats a good little man but in this case a good little man beats a faded big man.
Kovalev folds up like a cheap suit when you start getting to his body. Canelo is gonna stop this dude late. Its gonna be a good fight while it last though because Kovalev has a great jab and power to keep canelo from bum rushing him.
But Canelo will start putting it on him and kovalev is gonna quit or get KTFO by a punch he doesn't see after taking some body shots. And I'm not a canelo fan at all, I'd love to see Kovalev take his head off.
Kovalev is past his best but this still a dangerous fight for Canelo, especially if he doesn't carry his power up and he can't hurt him at 175. Canelo will deserve some credit for this win, yeah on paper its the most winnable title he can win at 175 but it's a potentially really hard fight. This ain't Rocky fielding.
I know you're seeing a lot of posts like that, but that's just because Canelo has a bit of a polarizing effect. I'm pretty sure you'll get several or a majority agreeing with you here, that Kovalev is NOT shot, and has a 50/50 chance - going in without a catchweight.
I just think if Canelo pulls this off, it will be something else. I can't imagine the odds staying at 7:1, 8:1 whatever they are. Like you said, there is a difference between a past prime Kova and a shot Kova. He's not shot and remains competitive and dangerous.
One thing I'll say is I would have liked to have seen more rest for Kova since the Yarde fight.
People calling this a cherry pick are not being particularly objective. At least Kovalev is a LHW that Canelo has a chance to beat. When fighters move up in weight, I don't think it best to take on an unwinnable fight. Kovalev is a big name with some miles on him and kinks in the armor.
It's the same with people wanting Lomachenko to move up and fight the #1 or #2. People will always find a negative spin if they want to...
Ok I’m confused...did you mean something else? You called it a 50/50 but state Kovalev isn’t a shot cherry pick . How can this be both? Canelo is moving up 7 pounds to a new division wouldn’t the odds favor the bigger man also champion? I’m not arguing the choice of opponent or making any statements currently about Kovalev being shot or past his sell by date, I’m just confused because one statement cancelled out the other.
I know you're seeing a lot of posts like that, but that's just because Canelo has a bit of a polarizing effect. I'm pretty sure you'll get several or a majority agreeing with you here, that Kovalev is NOT shot, and has a 50/50 chance - going in without a catchweight.
I just think if Canelo pulls this off, it will be something else. I can't imagine the odds staying at 7:1, 8:1 whatever they are. Like you said, there is a difference between a past prime Kova and a shot Kova. He's not shot and remains competitive and dangerous.
One thing I'll say is I would have liked to have seen more rest for Kova since the Yarde fight.
People calling this a cherry pick are not being particularly objective. At least Kovalev is a LHW that Canelo has a chance to beat. When fighters move up in weight, I don't think it best to take on an unwinnable fight. Kovalev is a big name with some miles on him and kinks in the armor.
It's the same with people wanting Lomachenko to move up and fight the #1 or #2. People will always find a negative spin if they want to...
The odds are & have been 3/1 to 3.5/1,theres several sht for brains like jubei spreading made up bs odds that shows hes too fckin stupid to read odds.