Official! NSB Lineal Champs Thread

There is no lineage for weight divisions under HW. Those divisions exist because of sanctioning bodies. Lineal is exist to answer who would be champion without sanctioning bodies. Well, if you're asking under HW the answer is no one. The original eight divisions were around long before the sanctioning bodies were.

:lol1: not its not.... wow what an exageration I would consider retired if a fighter hasnt fought in 2 whole years while not having injuries or promoter issues that bar him from fighting etc..... but thats just me. Completely agree...

Why not? Who told you that you can't? :pat: As I said, use some common sense... The Welterweight title is either Vacant or belongs to Crawford.

That's because Fury declared that he's retired... The one he retracted hours after... The point is, he announced retirement... Be it a minute or a decade long, it's still a retirement... :lol1: not its not.... wow what an exageration I would consider retired if a fighter hasnt fought in 2 whole years while not having injuries or promoter issues that bar him from fighting etc..... but thats just me.

I'm not talking about the pointless Ring belt. I'm talking about LINEAL He beat Cotto to become Lineal the first time, then beat GGG to become lineal the 2nd time (lineal was up for grabs vs GGG because they were the top 2 guys in the division). when did ggg become lineal? :rofl: canelo never lost at middleweight after the cotto fight

How can you retire then fight again that same year? C’mon man use some common sense... Why not? Who told you that you can't? :pat:

GrandPac retired right after... I'm sure you need to file a resignation in your work... In boxing, you don't need to... Oh well, you can try tweeting that, retract after a few hours and not report for 2 years... How can you retire then fight again that same year? C’mon man use some common sense...

I don't agree with TRBR. Mikey is not lineal at 140. Who did he beat? Lipinets was not #1 or #2 at that weight to me. Not at all. Lipinets beat no one before losing to Mikey Agreed. There’s no way Lipinets was top 2.

If Welterweight was last held by Pacquiao. That makes Crawford the lineal 147 Champ. As Horn beat Pac then Crawford beat Horn. It was last held by Mayweather IMO. GrandPac retired right after... no it isn't lol. If I tweet "I'm retired" I'm still expected to go to work tomorrow I'm sure you need to file a resignation in your work... In boxing, you don't need to... Oh well, you can try tweeting that, retract after a few hours and not report for 2 years...

Heavyweight: Vacant (last held by Fury) Cruiserweight: Usyk (soon to be vacated; Briedis-Dorticos winner might take over) Light Heavyweight: Gvozdyk Super Middleweight: Vacant (last held by Ward) Middleweight: Canelo Junior Middleweight: Vacant (last held by Mayweather; Hurd-Williams 2 winner might take over) Welterweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Junior Welterweight: Mikey (soon to be vacated) Lightweight: Vacant (last held by Crawford) Junior Lightweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Featherweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Junior Featherweight: Rigo Bantamweight: Vacant (last held by Piñango) Junior Bantamweight: Estrada Flyweight: Vacant (last held by Chocolatito) Junior Flyweight: Vacant (last held by Segura) Minimumweight: Vacant (last held by Finito) TBRB got it right... Unless they won't consider Mikey's throne as vacant on the rankings of the week after September 10... I don't agree with TRBR. Mikey is not lineal at 140. Who did he beat? Lipinets was not #1 or #2 at that weight to me. Not at all. Lipinets beat no one before losing to Mikey

I just don't see Charlo as that guy. And I had Harrison with the win on the cards. Charlo looked clueless the whole fight, getting his head snapped by counters and was clueless on how to proceed. 154 (in my opinion) 1) Williams 2) Hurd 3) Harrison 4) Charlo 5) Munguia (Although I thought Hogan beat him, and Adames likely beats him too) I have Williams #1 and those next 3 are pretty much interchangeable IMO. If both rematches happen it will likely settle any doubts.

Heavyweight: Vacant (last held by Fury) Cruiserweight: Usyk (soon to be vacated; Briedis-Dorticos winner might take over) Light Heavyweight: Gvozdyk Super Middleweight: Vacant (last held by Ward) Middleweight: Canelo Junior Middleweight: Vacant (last held by Mayweather; Hurd-Williams 2 winner might take over) Welterweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Junior Welterweight: Mikey (soon to be vacated) Lightweight: Vacant (last held by Crawford) Junior Lightweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Featherweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Junior Featherweight: Rigo Bantamweight: Vacant (last held by Piñango) Junior Bantamweight: Estrada Flyweight: Vacant (last held by Chocolatito) Junior Flyweight: Vacant (last held by Segura) Minimumweight: Vacant (last held by Finito) TBRB got it right... Unless they won't consider Mikey's throne as vacant on the rankings of the week after September 10... If Welterweight was last held by Pacquiao. That makes Crawford the lineal 147 Champ. As Horn beat Pac then Crawford beat Horn. It was last held by Mayweather IMO.

Agree with them all except for Jermell Charlo. He lost to Harrison. He is not #2 until he avenges his loss to him. I'd say the winners of Williams-Hurd 2 and Harrison-Charlo 2 can face eachother for the title Yeah I’m down with that. 154 is a bit of a mess atm with all the upsets.

no it isn't lol. If I tweet "I'm retired" I'm still expected to go to work tomorrow Now do it for two years and waltz in without warning. It’s also different. You have a job. Tyson Fury did not. Dude was suspended for peds and also retired. Couldnt come back if he wanted. No one thought he was coming back he was in the midst of a very real personal crisis. It wasn’t like Floyd who was still training and already only fought sparingly and had his biggest money fights on the table. Fury was retired retired. AJ should have been considered the lineal after that as the man unified and beat all the other champs outside of the only one who he wasnt able to step into the ring with. Adonis was never considered the man at 75 either but he kept himself as the champ while letting Kovalev do all the work and clean up and unify the division. That’s how The Nail became lineal. Shoulda been Ward after he beat Kova but lineage is lineage. Lineal is nice when it isnt held hostage like Adonis did. Still, at least it’s in the hands of a worthy fighter right now so it ended up okay.

That's because Fury declared that he's retired... The one he retracted hours after... The point is, he announced retirement... Be it a minute or a decade long, it's still a retirement... no it isn't lol. If I tweet "I'm retired" I'm still expected to go to work tomorrow

imo they should have never taken him out.... we all know that he was gonna come back and box again..... That's because Fury declared that he's retired... The one he retracted hours after... The point is, he announced retirement... Be it a minute or a decade long, it's still a retirement...

Heavyweight: Vacant (last held by Fury) Cruiserweight: Usyk (soon to be vacated; Briedis-Dorticos winner might take over) Light Heavyweight: Gvozdyk Super Middleweight: Vacant (last held by Ward) Middleweight: Canelo Junior Middleweight: Vacant (last held by Mayweather; Hurd-Williams 2 winner might take over) Welterweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Junior Welterweight: Mikey (soon to be vacated) Lightweight: Vacant (last held by Crawford) Junior Lightweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Featherweight: Vacant (last held by Pacquiao) Junior Featherweight: Rigo Bantamweight: Vacant (last held by Piñango) Junior Bantamweight: Estrada Flyweight: Vacant (last held by Chocolatito) Junior Flyweight: Vacant (last held by Segura) Minimumweight: Vacant (last held by Finito) TBRB got it right... Unless they won't consider Mikey's throne as vacant on the rankings of the week after September 10...

IMO... (I’ve also listed the 1 & 2 for titles I consider vacant) HW Fury 200 Usyk (Soon to be Vacant once Usyk debuts at HW) 1. Briedis 2. Dorticos 175 Gvodzyk 168 Vacant 1. Smith 2. Ramirez 160 Canelo 154 Vacant 1. Williams 2. Charlo 147 Vacant 1. Crawford 2. Spence 140 Vacant 1. Taylor 2. Prograis 135 Vacant 1. Lomachenko 2. Commey (Unless Garcia moves back down) 130 Vacant 1. Berchelt 2. Davis 126 Vacant 1. Santa Cruz 2. Russell Jr 122 Rigondeaux 118 Vacant 1. Inoue 2. Nery 115 Estrada 112 Vacant 1. Tanaka 2. Mthalane 108 Vacant 1. Shiro 2. Kyoguchi 105 Vacant 1. KO CP Freshmart 2. Menayothin Agree with them all except for Jermell Charlo. He lost to Harrison. He is not #2 until he avenges his loss to him. I'd say the winners of Williams-Hurd 2 and Harrison-Charlo 2 can face eachother for the title

HW- Tyson Fury CW- Usyk LHW- Gvozdyk SMW- Vacant MW- Canelo LMW- Vacant WW- Vacant LWW- Vacant (Prograis-Taylor winner) Lightweight- Vacant (Loma if he becomes undisputed) SFW- Vacant FW- Vacant SBW- Rigondeaux BW- Vacant SFLY- Estrada

Nope, the lineal title became vacant when the god fought Liam smith at 154 then CHavez at Super middle. You're thinking about the Ring belt which is a pretty pointless title these days. Good to see "The God" stepping up for the big fights like Liam Smith and Chavez jr.