Why not Andrade-Charlo?

Id like to see that, world champs and all that. Problem is DAZN would be willing to put alot more money down for that fight than the PBC and the PBC would only have interest in making that fight under their promotion and on their choice of network. I can never tell with the PBC boys who is not taking fights for the better of the company and who is just straight up ducking.

Acting like facts are opinions, lol, actual events that happened how can that be an opinion. That's like saying 9/11 is an opinion. Stupid huh, since it actually happened how can it be an opinion that it happened? That's basically what you're doing. Btw...and just trying to sincerely help ya out here...saying an event happened is a fact...but saying what happened during the event etc is an opinion generally. Example: GGG and Charlo didn't fight - fact Charlo ducked GGG - opinion GGG ducked Charlo - opinion GGG and Canelo fought twice - fact I thought GGG won both fights 8-4...that is my opinion Floyd Mayweather finished undefeated - fact I thought Floyd's resume is a bit embellished and he was a bit overhyped as an ATG...but was still a great boxer...that is my opinion You are saying a lot of stuff...and just because you seem to be really passionate about it...you are trying to say they are facts man lol...come on

Please don't compare what I said about Spence to GGG. Just please don't. Spence is not fighting no Rolls and no Vanes. You can't come here and compare Danny Garcia, Thurman, Porter, and Pac, to freaking Vanes and Rolls. And all those guys you mentioned, the Monroes and Lemieux and what not. Total bums, the whole lot of them. The only good fighter GGG has fought is Jacobs, the only elite one is Canelo. Brook was elite, but he was moving up two weight classes so that don't really count same way Mikey Garcia don't count for Spence. Therefore, GGG actually only has two names on his resume, the rest are all trash. I love the hypocrisy you just displayed. Because I seem to remember when Canelo, Cotto, Martinez, and all them cats were making business decisions yawl screamed at the top of your lungs accusing them of ducking GGG, but when GGG makes a business decisions to avoid Derevyanchenko, all if a succeed business decisions don't qualify as ducks no more, and this the same guy that criticized those businessmen "I am real fighter, not business man like these other fake fighters". I seem to remember GGG and team saying it was all about the belts and even using mandatories as excuses for fighting sub par opposition, but when the mandatory was no longer sub par, they dropped the belt, even though their motto was "all about the belts". I really love the total double standard you have. You say Charlo didn't want the fight? Lol, but Charlo been calling out GGG since he moved up to Middleweight and GGG and team have been making excuses not to fight him since he moved up. More importantly, Charlo didn't vacate his mandatory position, and didn't pull out when ordered to fight an eliminator, GGG is the one who went a different direction. Your double standard is quite frankly disgusting. Full of excuses and refusal to face reality. Acting like facts are opinions, lol, actual events that happened how can that be an opinion. That's like saying 9/11 is an opinion. Stupid huh, since it actually happened how can it be an opinion that it happened? That's basically what you're doing. Lol dude...you can tell yourself whatever ya want if it helps you sleep at night my friend...your hyping of Spence (who I really like) and slighting of GGG...I mean it just exposes ya man...sorry to say it but it does. If all those dudes GGG faced are bums then everyone anyone ever faced are bums lol... your hero :) (just messing with ya) Mayweather is a bum, and everyone he ever faced is a bum...they were all past their prime and at shady weights. But in all seriousness I give Floyd some credit for his wins because even though they weren't all great wins, and quite a few opponents were rather shot, or at not ideal weights, he still was fighting good fighters and performing well. Him fighting all of his fights at home and never really testing himself in his Money May days...I mean no one should really co-sign that...but he was still a great boxer and had some good wins...but to choose to overhype those 8-4 decisions he got over shot fighters and drained/fat fighters...I mean get real man lol...you just aren't really capable of keeping it real here my friend unfortunately...all you see is race... And don't worry...I would never compare Spence to GGG...not yet anyway ;)...Spence is/was basically doing what GGG was doing early in his career...except GGG ran through about 15 good fighters and dominated them...Spence did that with about 5 maybe 7. If you really want to try and hype up Spence but hate on GGG...I mean it just makes you look really biased imo...you seem really desperate to hate on GGG/fighters like him and it is kind of disgusting imo...no offense but I don't think blindly hating on another man just because he isn't in your tribe is a very healthy way to live...just my 2 cents. G's last 5 fights were Canelo twice, Danny, Rolls and Vanes...and Vanes on short notice only because his primary opponent pissed dirty and he wanted to save the date...I don't even really have to check it but that is probably pretty easily a top 3 run of 5 fights among all current fighters. If you really want to hate on that run of fighters...but hype up Spence's run of Garcia, Ocampo, Peterson, Brook and Bundu...I mean what are you even doing man lol...you just look foolish bro, no offense to ya though, sincerely. If G officially ducked the fight with Charlo...why is he still number 3 in WBC right under Charlo...I mean this is what I'm saying when I'm saying you are just saying stuff you want to be true and trying to present it as fact...you are acting like a hypothetical callout (and for the record I never really heard Charlo or Andrade call out GGG) is evidence that someone really wanted a fight...come on, get real...that's some fanboy stuff man. How can you hype up Danny Garcia, Thurman and Porter...and even a very small for the weight, 40 year old, Pac...and try and slight guys like Monroe Murray or Lemieux lol...and Spence hasn't even fought any of those 4 guys yet man!! lol...Idk I just don't really think you are keeping it real here...anyone praising what Spence has done so far but slighting GGG's great career...I mean idk man I just can't really take ya seriously. No offense though and nice chatting...I'm sure we would agree on other things...you sound fairly young from your posts so I hope you keep following the game and maybe give it a view from an unbiased perspective...hope you have a great day!! Btw...with regards to Spence and GGG...if GGG went 12 rounds with Brook like Spence did with Mikey...I would have killed him for that..and likewise I slight Spence for not stopping a smaller inferior opponent...but I imagine you would find a way to spin those two fights into a positive for Spence and negative for GGG lol...no hard feelings though my friend I just think you are a bit biased here and not really giving it a clear look.

My friend you just sound really emotional...and yes many things you are presenting as fact are in fact opinions, which you seem to have a vested interest in wanting to desperately be true...Charlo-GGG was ordered...fight never happened...neither side really seemed to want it...if you have evidence Charlo wanted it feel free to post. All you have for the Andrade situation is Andrade's word...and I take that with a grain of salt, no offense...a lot of fighters say stuff to get themselves some hype...as mentioned I don't think Andrade would really want the GGG fight, too high risk and low reward...don't think G and his side really want it either...if you feel differently, well that is your opinion my friend. GGG took on Vanes on short notice to save the original date...then fought Canelo instead of Dervy for obvious reasons, none of them ducking...if you really want to try and spin that into GGG 'ducking' Dervy when he had fought the guy who was beating him in sparring, Jacobs, I mean lol...come on man let's keep it real bro. Jacobs was GGG's mando btw...wasn't like he picked on Danny lol...and Danny's chin held up, if it does, everyone knows he can box...not surprised G won an 8-4 decision with a KD in that scenario...going in I agree that you can argue G didn't live up to the expectations and get the stoppage against Danny. But to say he didn't win the fight, I mean lol...stuff like that just makes me not take the G 'haters' seriously man...y'all are so desperate to hate on the man that you just go way overboard imo...didn't live up to expectations in the Jacobs and Nelo fights...that is arguable and I would agree somewhat...to say he didn't win them, I mean yeah man that just isn't really keeping it real imo. As an aside btw...look at the recent Loma fight...imo it was a close competitive fight until the final few rounds where Loma stretched out an 8-4 type win...with the KD I can't see anyone saying Campbell won...I also can't take seriously anyone saying Loma won like 11 rounds...Loma clearly won, but was not as impressive as expected imo...impressiveness in victory is a big reason why I have always had Loma, Spence and GGG high in my pfp rankings. By my count G has about 15 good wins outside of the Canelo and Danny fights...all dominant wins, different style opponents, all KOs...very impressive imo...when most greats go through 10 good fighters they usually drop 1 or 2 or have a controversial win or draw in there...never happened for G. To slight guys like Lemieux, Monroe, Murray, Brook, Stevens, Ouma, Rosada, Proksa, Ishida, Adama, Macklin, Rubio, Geale, Vanes, Rolls...all good fighters...none really anything to overly hype on a 1 by 1 basis...but to run through all 15 with no issues is really really impressive when you stack up similar ATGs runs vs those types of fighters. Spence is one of my favorites as well...the fight everyone wants to see at 147 is him vs Crawford...I think it is a little funny that you want to slight G for facing Dervy and not Andrade/Charlo...but you are willing to give Spence a pass for a few fights if he doesn't face Crawford next...even though that is much more in demand fight than G vs Andrade or Charlo. Anyway man tbh you seem like a cool guy...but imo you are a little biased in favor of your own crew, which is cool...but I just don't think you are really keeping it real analysis wise here but that happens from time to time...I wish ya well and I'm sure we would agree on other things. Please don't compare what I said about Spence to GGG. Just please don't. Spence is not fighting no Rolls and no Vanes. You can't come here and compare Danny Garcia, Thurman, Porter, and Pac, to freaking Vanes and Rolls. And all those guys you mentioned, the Monroes and Lemieux and what not. Total bums, the whole lot of them. The only good fighter GGG has fought is Jacobs, the only elite one is Canelo. Brook was elite, but he was moving up two weight classes so that don't really count same way Mikey Garcia don't count for Spence. Therefore, GGG actually only has two names on his resume, the rest are all trash. I love the hypocrisy you just displayed. Because I seem to remember when Canelo, Cotto, Martinez, and all them cats were making business decisions yawl screamed at the top of your lungs accusing them of ducking GGG, but when GGG makes a business decisions to avoid Derevyanchenko, all if a succeed business decisions don't qualify as ducks no more, and this the same guy that criticized those businessmen "I am real fighter, not business man like these other fake fighters". I seem to remember GGG and team saying it was all about the belts and even using mandatories as excuses for fighting sub par opposition, but when the mandatory was no longer sub par, they dropped the belt, even though their motto was "all about the belts". I really love the total double standard you have. You say Charlo didn't want the fight? Lol, but Charlo been calling out GGG since he moved up to Middleweight and GGG and team have been making excuses not to fight him since he moved up. More importantly, Charlo didn't vacate his mandatory position, and didn't pull out when ordered to fight an eliminator, GGG is the one who went a different direction. Your double standard is quite frankly disgusting. Full of excuses and refusal to face reality. Acting like facts are opinions, lol, actual events that happened how can that be an opinion. That's like saying 9/11 is an opinion. Stupid huh, since it actually happened how can it be an opinion that it happened? That's basically what you're doing.

Opinion presented as fact? Is it an opinion that GGG was ordered by the wbc to fight Charlo and pulled out? Is it an opinion that GGG was offered an easy route to a world title by Andrade and team, and chose to fight Rolls? Do you even know the difference between opinion and fact? You ask if Andrade was a ducker at 154 and now at 160 he aint? You think that makes me a hypocrite right? Well, actually, it actually proves the opposite. It proves that I'm not biased. I judge everyone the same. If you duck, I'm gonna call you out on it, whether you're white, black, Latino, or whatever, or even if you're my favorite fighter. GGG is not exempt. He ducked Andrade and Charlo period. And what are these many good fighters GGG fought? Gtfoh! He only fought Canelo, who was coming up from 160. He cherry picked Jacobs coz he is supposed to be chinny and gets knocked down by bums. He thought he was gonna get the KO ans struggled instead to a questionable decision. Who are these many good fighters he fought? GGG was given many routes to a title and ducked them all. He even ducked Derevyanchenko (fact not opinion, he was ordered to defend his title, and the mandatory king himself refused and got stripped, choosing rather to fight Vanes). Now that Derevyanchenko has a loss to Jacobs, GGG is game. Charlo ducked Jacobs, no secret, and Andrade did ALOT of ducking at 154, no secret. I can call them out on that coz I ain't a fanboy. Spence is my favorite fighter, but if he doesn't make an attempt to fight Crawford after he unifies with Manny and Porter, then I'm gonna call him a duck (unless he defending his titles against Thurman and Danny Garcia). You don't know shieet about the Saunders situation. Saunders was still able to fight for the wbo at 160, which means he wasn't banned for steroids now was he? And if he wasn't banned, then he could have still fought Andrade. The drug he used is legal in England and can be found in nasal spray, that's why I said he had mitigating circumstances. Andrade still wanted to fight him, and the wbo didn't strip him, he vacated himself before an investigation and decision could be made. He ducked. Do you think he would have pulled out and moved up if Andrade wasn't his next opponent? Get real. My friend you just sound really emotional...and yes many things you are presenting as fact are in fact opinions, which you seem to have a vested interest in wanting to desperately be true...Charlo-GGG was ordered...fight never happened...neither side really seemed to want it...if you have evidence Charlo wanted it feel free to post. All you have for the Andrade situation is Andrade's word...and I take that with a grain of salt, no offense...a lot of fighters say stuff to get themselves some hype...as mentioned I don't think Andrade would really want the GGG fight, too high risk and low reward...don't think G and his side really want it either...if you feel differently, well that is your opinion my friend. GGG took on Vanes on short notice to save the original date...then fought Canelo instead of Dervy for obvious reasons, none of them ducking...if you really want to try and spin that into GGG 'ducking' Dervy when he had fought the guy who was beating him in sparring, Jacobs, I mean lol...come on man let's keep it real bro. Jacobs was GGG's mando btw...wasn't like he picked on Danny lol...and Danny's chin held up, if it does, everyone knows he can box...not surprised G won an 8-4 decision with a KD in that scenario...going in I agree that you can argue G didn't live up to the expectations and get the stoppage against Danny. But to say he didn't win the fight, I mean lol...stuff like that just makes me not take the G 'haters' seriously man...y'all are so desperate to hate on the man that you just go way overboard imo...didn't live up to expectations in the Jacobs and Nelo fights...that is arguable and I would agree somewhat...to say he didn't win them, I mean yeah man that just isn't really keeping it real imo. As an aside btw...look at the recent Loma fight...imo it was a close competitive fight until the final few rounds where Loma stretched out an 8-4 type win...with the KD I can't see anyone saying Campbell won...I also can't take seriously anyone saying Loma won like 11 rounds...Loma clearly won, but was not as impressive as expected imo...impressiveness in victory is a big reason why I have always had Loma, Spence and GGG high in my pfp rankings. By my count G has about 15 good wins outside of the Canelo and Danny fights...all dominant wins, different style opponents, all KOs...very impressive imo...when most greats go through 10 good fighters they usually drop 1 or 2 or have a controversial win or draw in there...never happened for G. To slight guys like Lemieux, Monroe, Murray, Brook, Stevens, Ouma, Rosada, Proksa, Ishida, Adama, Macklin, Rubio, Geale, Vanes, Rolls...all good fighters...none really anything to overly hype on a 1 by 1 basis...but to run through all 15 with no issues is really really impressive when you stack up similar ATGs runs vs those types of fighters. Spence is one of my favorites as well...the fight everyone wants to see at 147 is him vs Crawford...I think it is a little funny that you want to slight G for facing Dervy and not Andrade/Charlo...but you are willing to give Spence a pass for a few fights if he doesn't face Crawford next...even though that is much more in demand fight than G vs Andrade or Charlo. Anyway man tbh you seem like a cool guy...but imo you are a little biased in favor of your own crew, which is cool...but I just don't think you are really keeping it real analysis wise here but that happens from time to time...I wish ya well and I'm sure we would agree on other things.

My friend I feel that a lot of what you wrote here and in other posts is your opinion...presented as fact...but if that is how you honestly see it...then we can agree to disagree and I give ya a thumbs up here and wish ya well. BJS got popped for steroids man...I mean it's the fantasy arguments you are making like that, that just kind of make you lose credibility imo...no offense intended...also I like Charlo a lot, but he just went tooth and nail with Korobov who has been past it for a while, and was never really elite. I think it's easy to kind of pick a new guy as the 'great black hope'...when they haven't really mixed it up with too many great fighters...skill wise I don't really see how anyone can say Charlo is any better than Willie Monroe Jr...style wise would probably be a tougher fight for most though...GGG inlcuded. Yeah maybe GGG would lose to a hypothetical black fighter if they fought lol...but he has fought a lot of good ones so far and no fighter of any color has really come close...and I like Andrade as well...but forgetting that he went life and death with Culcay, I mean he was basically a bum to everyone after that fight...but now that he is at 160 it seems like a lot of people want to pump some guys up as challengers to GGG etc. And like I said I like Charlo and Andrade...they would both have a shot against GGG or Nelo...but G is 37 dude lol...if he loses it doesn't really prove you right necessarily...idk I just think you're not really being fair here to how great G is/was...and also as I said if he beat one of them right now, I think you would just say that one sucked and he should face the other one lol. So Andrade was a ducker then...but now everyone is ducking him?...I mean come on Did Floyd duck Manny for all those years when we all wanted to see that fight? Rhetorical question but my point is that people can see whatever they want to see...and if anyone thinks that Andrade or Charlo really want to face GGG, who is a tough physical fight with a lot of downside/risk...for not a ton of money...I mean I just don't really get the logic there. And tbh it is people like you who make me not really want to see those fights...you are so desperate for someone from your tribe to beat GGG that you are obviously incapable of scoring them correctly...so what's even the point...you have your card filled out already Opinion presented as fact? Is it an opinion that GGG was ordered by the wbc to fight Charlo and pulled out? Is it an opinion that GGG was offered an easy route to a world title by Andrade and team, and chose to fight Rolls? Do you even know the difference between opinion and fact? You ask if Andrade was a ducker at 154 and now at 160 he aint? You think that makes me a hypocrite right? Well, actually, it actually proves the opposite. It proves that I'm not biased. I judge everyone the same. If you duck, I'm gonna call you out on it, whether you're white, black, Latino, or whatever, or even if you're my favorite fighter. GGG is not exempt. He ducked Andrade and Charlo period. And what are these many good fighters GGG fought? Gtfoh! He only fought Canelo, who was coming up from 160. He cherry picked Jacobs coz he is supposed to be chinny and gets knocked down by bums. He thought he was gonna get the KO ans struggled instead to a questionable decision. Who are these many good fighters he fought? GGG was given many routes to a title and ducked them all. He even ducked Derevyanchenko (fact not opinion, he was ordered to defend his title, and the mandatory king himself refused and got stripped, choosing rather to fight Vanes). Now that Derevyanchenko has a loss to Jacobs, GGG is game. Charlo ducked Jacobs, no secret, and Andrade did ALOT of ducking at 154, no secret. I can call them out on that coz I ain't a fanboy. Spence is my favorite fighter, but if he doesn't make an attempt to fight Crawford after he unifies with Manny and Porter, then I'm gonna call him a duck (unless he defending his titles against Thurman and Danny Garcia). You don't know shieet about the Saunders situation. Saunders was still able to fight for the wbo at 160, which means he wasn't banned for steroids now was he? And if he wasn't banned, then he could have still fought Andrade. The drug he used is legal in England and can be found in nasal spray, that's why I said he had mitigating circumstances. Andrade still wanted to fight him, and the wbo didn't strip him, he vacated himself before an investigation and decision could be made. He ducked. Do you think he would have pulled out and moved up if Andrade wasn't his next opponent? Get real.

How about Andrade vs Jacobs or Charlo vs Jacobs? I think Jacobs is at 168 now

Stopped reading when you suggested Charlo and Andrade are ducking GGG even though GGG is the one who CLEARLY ducked them. GGG was ordered to fight Charlo by the wbc and ran away. Now he is ordered to fight Derevyanchenko coming off a loss to Jacobs and he is very happy about it. Before that Andrade called him out and Canelo told him to get a belt for the rematch. He had to fight Andrade period, and he ducked and chose to fight Rolls while saying that titles aren't Important. But now he has a chance to get an easy title from Derevyanchenko and he is all game all of a sudden for titles and mandatories. GGG is a duck he will never face an unbeaten elite black fighter, because when he does he will lose and he knows it. My friend I feel that a lot of what you wrote here and in other posts is your opinion...presented as fact...but if that is how you honestly see it...then we can agree to disagree and I give ya a thumbs up here and wish ya well. I know it's difficult to read emotional disposition over texts, but I'm not emotional at all. What I said is what is happening and you can't deny it. Elite, unbeaten black fighters are being ducked. With Charlo they make the "he's on the other side excuse", okay fine, he's on the other side, but is Andrade on the other side? No he is not, but they still won't fight him. Canelo would rather jump two weight classes to fight a washed up Kovalev then to fight Andrade, he chose to get stripped by the IBF then to unify titles with Andrade, his team didn't even want to negotiate with Andrade. First they said Andrade wouldn't be ready for September, but Andrade said "hey I'm ready" and then they went silent. GGG had a chance to fight for the only title that Canelo didn't have and chose to fight Rolls, Rolls! While claiming that titles aren't Important and yet he is now fighting Derevyanchenko for the IBF title, because it "mandated" right? Wasn't it mandated by the wbc that he fight Charlo? What did he say then? Look at Saunders. He held on to that wbo for years but soon as an elite, unbeaten black fighter became his mandatory, he moved him. Canelo chose to be stripped rather than to fight Charlo, at Charlo having been his mandatory for a long time. The pattern is clear, and you can't deny it because these are facts across different situations with different fighters (Canelo, Saunders, Golovkin). The pattern is the same, do whatever it takes to avoid fighting the elite, unbeaten black fighter. Oh they'll fight the Monroes, Jacobs (chinny former ko victim), Wades, etc etc, and they'll call out and fight a Spence who has to move up two weight classes, but they definitely won't fight the elite, unbeaten black guys in their own weight class. Fact, not opinion, this has been happening for a while now in clear cut situations, especially in situations where the fights were mandated. BJS got popped for steroids man...I mean it's the fantasy arguments you are making like that, that just kind of make you lose credibility imo...no offense intended...also I like Charlo a lot, but he just went tooth and nail with Korobov who has been past it for a while, and was never really elite. I think it's easy to kind of pick a new guy as the 'great black hope'...when they haven't really mixed it up with too many great fighters...skill wise I don't really see how anyone can say Charlo is any better than Willie Monroe Jr...style wise would probably be a tougher fight for most though...GGG inlcuded. Yeah maybe GGG would lose to a hypothetical black fighter if they fought lol...but he has fought a lot of good ones so far and no fighter of any color has really come close...and I like Andrade as well...but forgetting that he went life and death with Culcay, I mean he was basically a bum to everyone after that fight...but now that he is at 160 it seems like a lot of people want to pump some guys up as challengers to GGG etc. And like I said I like Charlo and Andrade...they would both have a shot against GGG or Nelo...but G is 37 dude lol...if he loses it doesn't really prove you right necessarily...idk I just think you're not really being fair here to how great G is/was...and also as I said if he beat one of them right now, I think you would just say that one sucked and he should face the other one lol. Actually your statement just proves that I judge everyone the same, irrespective of race. I'm not afraid to say that Andrade ducked those fights just because he's black. If you duck, you duck. Just like I'm not afraid to say that Charlo (the one at Middleweight) ducked Jacobs. Just because they ducked those fights doesn't excuse GGG and Canelo and Saunders for their own ducking. When I say that the policy at Middleweight is to avoid elite, unbeaten black fighters, I'm not just talking about the white or Mexican fighters, elite black fighters in that same weight class are also avoiding each other. Seems no one, irrespective of race, wants to fight an elite, unbeaten black fighter, and obviously there is a reason for that. Having said that Andrade hasn't actually ducked anyone at Middleweight, he did ALOT of ducking at 154, and that was never acceptable. If you check my post history you'll know that I never accepted it and actively roasted him for it. I hate ducking no matter who does it, ducking is not acceptable no matter who does it. In GGG and Canelo's case it makes it worse because they and their fans and even the media propaganda want to claim that they are the best two middleweights in the world even though that is completely unproven. Canelo has been ducking Andrade and Charlo since 154 already and continues to do so at 160. GGG has no actively ducked both Charlo and Andrade. I'll never except them as the best int they beat at least one of those two. Fighting each other doesn't prove they are the best, it just proves who is better between the two of them. So Andrade was a ducker then...but now everyone is ducking him?...I mean come on Did Floyd duck Manny for all those years when we all wanted to see that fight? Rhetorical question but my point is that people can see whatever they want to see...and if anyone thinks that Andrade or Charlo really want to face GGG, who is a tough physical fight with a lot of downside/risk...for not a ton of money...I mean I just don't really get the logic there. And tbh it is people like you who make me not really want to see those fights...you are so desperate for someone from your tribe to beat GGG that you are obviously incapable of scoring them correctly...so what's even the point...you have your card filled out already

How about Andrade vs Jacobs or Charlo vs Jacobs?

BOTH are talent but also both are full of it and it doesn't seem as either want to fight each other Both seem to want to just wait with the hope that Canelo or GGG pick them which I don't think will ever happen. Create your own legacy, make history of your own instead of waiting for Canelo to enhance it for you! Jemall can easily move up and jump in the middle of that 168 Division which is stacked on his side with Benavidez, Plant, Eubank... Same with Andrade, go chase down BJS at 168 :dunno: Neither is getting a hi shot at Canelo IMO I like this post. They shouldn't have to do that in a perfect world, but this is the world we have so they have. This waiting bs is stupid because it just gives the other guy more power to jerk you around. Create your own legacy make meaningful fights with other opponents and even move up if you have to. As you said, Charlo could easily switch between 160 and 168. He could campaign in both divisions. He's big enough to do that. But I guess Andrade would be better off doing that since he is the more skillful fighter, because for someone who relies on his power and physical strength like Charlo moving up doesn't work out so well because Charlo can be outboxed especially against a southpaw fighter. Andrade on the other hand could Mayweather the situation with his skills, defense, and slickness.

The policy at Middleweight is go duck the best black fighters. It is and has always been. And please don't tell me about Jacobs. Jacobs only got the fights because he is chinny. He got ko before and got knocked down by bums. That's why GGG was sulivating at the chance to fight him. Canelo fought him for same reason plus he already lost to GGG so he had two losses already. The truly dangerous black guys are being ducked and asked to take each other off the table. GGG and Canelo wana fight the weak black guys and then have their fans call them the "African slayers" or black executioner's whilst ducking the ones they know can beat em. People keep making the excuse that: "well Charlo should have joined DAZN if he wanted those fights" Nonsense! Andrade is at DAZN and they still ducking him. Billy Joe Saunders rather moved up and gave up his belt than to fight him. If they are that dangerous and no one else wants to fight them because they are black then fight each other. Saying no one wants to fight them because they are black is a crock of ****. This is getting ridiculous. They can't just sit around withing for money to fall from the sky into their laps.

So out of those 4 guys...you should have had 5 fights...we got 0. Are you saying you don't want any good black fighters to mix it up...and instead just want them to fight non black fighters? Sincere question. Just trying to see why you can say Andrade was ducking all these guys at 154..but now at 160 he suddenly wants to fight everyone and everyone is scared of fighting him. When your guys duck it's fine... when you perceive someone else has ducked it is an injustice Actually your statement just proves that I judge everyone the same, irrespective of race. I'm not afraid to say that Andrade ducked those fights just because he's black. If you duck, you duck. Just like I'm not afraid to say that Charlo (the one at Middleweight) ducked Jacobs. Just because they ducked those fights doesn't excuse GGG and Canelo and Saunders for their own ducking. When I say that the policy at Middleweight is to avoid elite, unbeaten black fighters, I'm not just talking about the white or Mexican fighters, elite black fighters in that same weight class are also avoiding each other. Seems no one, irrespective of race, wants to fight an elite, unbeaten black fighter, and obviously there is a reason for that. Having said that Andrade hasn't actually ducked anyone at Middleweight, he did ALOT of ducking at 154, and that was never acceptable. If you check my post history you'll know that I never accepted it and actively roasted him for it. I hate ducking no matter who does it, ducking is not acceptable no matter who does it. In GGG and Canelo's case it makes it worse because they and their fans and even the media propaganda want to claim that they are the best two middleweights in the world even though that is completely unproven. Canelo has been ducking Andrade and Charlo since 154 already and continues to do so at 160. GGG has no actively ducked both Charlo and Andrade. I'll never except them as the best int they beat at least one of those two. Fighting each other doesn't prove they are the best, it just proves who is better between the two of them.

When has that ever happened in the past btw...most great MWs were probably black lol...so unless they were ducking each other I'm lost on that one...only recently has there been a high percentage of great white fighters really across many divisions...with all of the Eastern euros starting to emerge. It's emotional takes like that one that just make me not be able to take some stuff seriously man...just seems so over the top and tribal...and seems like you view everything in boxing through that prism...which is fine...a lot of us fans do. But just seems like that skews your judgment on keeping it real a bit...to say that has always been the MO at MW..I mean what...ludicrous man I know it's difficult to read emotional disposition over texts, but I'm not emotional at all. What I said is what is happening and you can't deny it. Elite, unbeaten black fighters are being ducked. With Charlo they make the "he's on the other side excuse", okay fine, he's on the other side, but is Andrade on the other side? No he is not, but they still won't fight him. Canelo would rather jump two weight classes to fight a washed up Kovalev then to fight Andrade, he chose to get stripped by the IBF then to unify titles with Andrade, his team didn't even want to negotiate with Andrade. First they said Andrade wouldn't be ready for September, but Andrade said "hey I'm ready" and then they went silent. GGG had a chance to fight for the only title that Canelo didn't have and chose to fight Rolls, Rolls! While claiming that titles aren't Important and yet he is now fighting Derevyanchenko for the IBF title, because it "mandated" right? Wasn't it mandated by the wbc that he fight Charlo? What did he say then? Look at Saunders. He held on to that wbo for years but soon as an elite, unbeaten black fighter became his mandatory, he moved him. Canelo chose to be stripped rather than to fight Charlo, at Charlo having been his mandatory for a long time. The pattern is clear, and you can't deny it because these are facts across different situations with different fighters (Canelo, Saunders, Golovkin). The pattern is the same, do whatever it takes to avoid fighting the elite, unbeaten black fighter. Oh they'll fight the Monroes, Jacobs (chinny former ko victim), Wades, etc etc, and they'll call out and fight a Spence who has to move up two weight classes, but they definitely won't fight the elite, unbeaten black guys in their own weight class. Fact, not opinion, this has been happening for a while now in clear cut situations, especially in situations where the fights were mandated.

I think if you kept it a little more real you would realize that again neither Charlo fought Andrade Canelo Lara at 154....Andrade never fought either Charlo Canelo or Lara...imo Lara is the only one who would have fought anyone. Everyone else is worried about taking a loss and wants to try and be Mayweather...if you think Andrade or Charlo really want to fight GGG right now...I mean I just don't know what to say...they can make similar money for significantly easier fights. If GGG for one got more credit for the good stuff he has done I would be for him fighting all these supposed boogeymen...but truth is he can beat them...as he did with Jacobs and twice with Nelo...and people still hate. So yeah I don't think a lot of people really keep it real there...and while GGG in his last 6 fights has Canelo twice Jacobs and now Dervy...pretty good run...you basically admit in your post that you just want to try and use Andrade and Charlo as banana peels to try and slip up someone like G who you don't like. Which is fine...but it is a really fan-nish take to think like that...and again if G or Nelo beat either one now then a lot of people demanding that fight now...would say the one that got beat sucked and they should fight the other one...if it was a true legacy fight I agree that they should do it. Funny btw how you are basically saying that now you have the great black hopes... when previously it used to be the great white hopes...I guess stuff really does come full circle sometimes lol. Anyway I hear what you are saying to some degree...I just think neither Andrade or Charlo has really done enough to make that fight worth it in the sense that if they get beat.. the winner will still get credit...fighting someone else good...like each other. ..would help force the hand of a bigger fight for them. Stopped reading when you suggested Charlo and Andrade are ducking GGG even though GGG is the one who CLEARLY ducked them. GGG was ordered to fight Charlo by the wbc and ran away. Now he is ordered to fight Derevyanchenko coming off a loss to Jacobs and he is very happy about it. Before that Andrade called him out and Canelo told him to get a belt for the rematch. He had to fight Andrade period, and he ducked and chose to fight Rolls while saying that titles aren't Important. But now he has a chance to get an easy title from Derevyanchenko and he is all game all of a sudden for titles and mandatories. GGG is a duck he will never face an unbeaten elite black fighter, because when he does he will lose and he knows it.

The only way you'll get a Charlo fight if you're any type of threat is to become his mandatory. He'll just keep fighting pies until GGG or Canelo hook him up with a fight That's boxing I guess... In a perfect world it would seem that a top fighter would want to prove he's the best. I think the top fighters are confident in their abilities and are sure they can beat any fighter close to their weight class. So why don't we see more top guys fighting each other? It comes down to money, as usual. Fighters like Charlo and Andre through skill, luck or great match making, have put themselves in a position to get a mega fight with either Alvarez or Golovkin, the two major draws in the division While there's a chance at a mega fight and a big reward, you won't see either guy risk fighting any opponent who has a chance to beat them. It's a bad situation for fans but that's boxing. Yep as you said...that's boxing BOTH are talent but also both are full of it and it doesn't seem as either want to fight each other Both seem to want to just wait with the hope that Canelo or GGG pick them which I don't think will ever happen. Create your own legacy, make history of your own instead of waiting for Canelo to enhance it for you! Jemall can easily move up and jump in the middle of that 168 Division which is stacked on his side with Benavidez, Plant, Eubank... Same with Andrade, go chase down BJS at 168 :dunno: Neither is getting a shot at Canelo IMO I really just hate the narrative now that if you lose a fight you are irrelevant and a bum...as fans we love seeing redemption stories too...so taking a loss should not worry guys and their promoters that much...and that goes for pretty much everyone. And imo the GGG fight for them would not really pay them that well...GGG is a 'star' but has never really made great money besides with Nelo...everyone wants the Nelo fight because it can take you from $2 million to $10 million...but when you are the King as Nelo is, you don't keep the crown by taking on a lot of high risk low reward fights. I think all of these guys want to fight each other...but at the same time they are all scared to lose too...and that just sucks imo...they all wanna be like Floyd but none of them are even close to pulling off what he did.

Yes. All fights between top 160 guys will be very competitive. Charlo/Derevyanchenko/jacobs/GGG/Canelo are all difficult fights for each other. Agreed...some more than others, mainly based on matchups imo

BOTH are talent but also both are full of it and it doesn't seem as either want to fight each other Both seem to want to just wait with the hope that Canelo or GGG pick them which I don't think will ever happen. Create your own legacy, make history of your own instead of waiting for Canelo to enhance it for you! Jemall can easily move up and jump in the middle of that 168 Division which is stacked on his side with Benavidez, Plant, Eubank... Same with Andrade, go chase down BJS at 168 :dunno: Neither is getting a shot at Canelo IMO

In a perfect world it would seem that a top fighter would want to prove he's the best. I think the top fighters are confident in their abilities and are sure they can beat any fighter close to their weight class. So why don't we see more top guys fighting each other? It comes down to money, as usual. Fighters like Charlo and Andre through skill, luck or great match making, have put themselves in a position to get a mega fight with either Alvarez or Golovkin, the two major draws in the division While there's a chance at a mega fight and a big reward, you won't see either guy risk fighting any opponent who has a chance to beat them. It's a bad situation for fans but that's boxing.

I was impressed with how easily Andrade beat Sulecki...but I also look at the Vanes and Culcay fights where he had trouble...and think that someone stronger and more athletic than Sulecki may give Andrade trouble. Yes. All fights between top 160 guys will be very competitive. Charlo/Derevyanchenko/jacobs/GGG/Canelo are all difficult fights for each other.

I never really followed all of that so I don't know what to believe The first time is kinda up for debate but the second is not, Andrade was Mells mando and he walked. It was the other twin, not this one. It was Jermell. Jermall was champ already.