I was just as pissed about the WBC naming Canelo "franchise champion". As if the belt situation wasn't ridiculous already, adding this new name designation only helps feed the hate towards Canelo who never asked for this...
However, it makes sense now that I've read the official statement from the WBC.
As fighters go from Amateur, to prodigy, to professional and then finally to superstar, they are impossible to manage.
You can't tell them what to do, literally you can't.
You can't tell Oscar De La Hoya when he's the Golden Boy, PPV super star to go fight a mandatory dude that people have never heard of instead of some other more intriguing fight.
The idea of the WBC or the WBA or IBF telling Canelo what to do is laughable. Canelo right now is like a god in boxing. You can't tell that dude shiiit.
Floyd Mayweather listened to no one. He fought whoever he damn well pleased and in his day he and only he called the shots in boxing.
You simply can't corner or bully or even ask anything of these guys once they become Primadonna superstars. You just can't.
The belts work in theory, when a boxer wants to be a Champion and is still looking to fight for it, but once they reach PPV superstar status, and you're trying to block a super fight because...dude over here in our rankings wants his shot, watch them drop your belt. So when the superstar doesn't agree and wants other legacy or big money fights instead and they don't mind leaving the belt in the dust...
...then what?
Not justifying it.
Just understand what the WBC is saying...
Once a boxer becomes a superstar you cant control him. You cant do anything other than strip him.
If they start stripping superstars of their belts who are the actual best boxers...do we really want to see guys with belts around their waste knowing they didn't fight the best?
Why post about it? Everybody knows why they did it, everybody thinks it's stupid. Next subject.
Morris Silly man is in love with Canelo. Its as simple as that, he wants to get into his underwear. Canelo cant be bothered with a no name loser like Charlo he would rather be in big fights against big names. So rather than push Canelo to "please fight your mandatory" they have given him his own special belt, yes another one, so they can get around upsetting Canelo.
On top of that they now can get a nice little sanctioning fee for every fight of the rest of Canelo's career.
It makes sense to you. I think it is total BS. This franchise title is useless and unneeded. Canelo can do what he wants and nobody can make him do anything but special titles shouldn't be made up just for him, If he doesn't defend his title he should lose it just like any other champion. He shouldn't be untouchable and above the rules. The IBF and WBA don't take orders from the WBC. If they think Canelo is not being a proper middleweight champ they can strip him of their belt.
dude you're too butt hurt about Canelo to have a logical discussion about him or this topic.
This topic isnt necessarily about Canelo but about superstars and how once they become PPV Stars they are out of anyone's control in boxing.
No one tells them what to do.
Not like the UFC where no matter who the baddest most popular man is, hes fighting for thr UFC title.
In boxing, the boxer can just go tell the WBC, IBF and WBA to **** off.
I fail to see how your explanations justifies what they did, or could change the average boxing fan's perspective about it.
You're saying: "Canelo is bigger than belts and sanctioning bodies, he'll fight whoever he wants." Ok, cool. So he can drop the belt if he doesn't want to fight the mandatory.
Sure, it makes sense that they would do anything to have him keep a WBC belt because they want sanctioning fees and advertising from him, but that doesn't justify the decision, they're still changing the rules for one person so they can make more money, and still kowtowing to a fighter when in theory a sanctioning body should not be beholden or even closely associated with any fighter.
We all get why they did it, it's obvious, but it's fucvking stupid and crooked and the WBC AND CANELO deserve every bit of hate they get for it.
Not justifying it.
Just understand what the WBC is saying...
Once a boxer becomes a superstar you cant control him. You cant do anything other than strip him.
If they start stripping superstars of their belts who are the actual best boxers...do we really want to see guys with belts around their waste knowing they didn't fight the best?
Its the fact there are 4 sanctioning bodies which brings about this insanity IMO. The fact they are all basically private companies trying to make money doesn't help. If there was only one it could take all fights into account and you wouldn't have these no names mondos.
Tennis, Golf, Soccer, Cricket, Athletics, basically every other major sport has figured it out. Professional boxing has such a long shady history I guess everyone is just conditioned to the obvious corruption and absurdity.
That’s true only if DAZN has written themselves a contract that does not protect their own interests. That seems unlikely to me.
That is a good point. I've wondered about the DAZN contract and how that works. I still think Canelo somehow will call his own shots
Looks like the truth to me. Canelo, just like Floyd, is bigger than the belt. He said it when he vacated the wbc before. He can fight who he wants, when he wants, and it won't hurt his bottom line one bit if the strap isn't there.
Mauricio knows who his daddy is...
That’s true only if DAZN has written themselves a contract that does not protect their own interests. That seems unlikely to me.
I fail to see how your explanations justifies what they did, or could change the average boxing fan's perspective about it.
You're saying: "Canelo is bigger than belts and sanctioning bodies, he'll fight whoever he wants." Ok, cool. So he can drop the belt if he doesn't want to fight the mandatory.
Sure, it makes sense that they would do anything to have him keep a WBC belt because they want sanctioning fees and advertising from him, but that doesn't justify the decision, they're still changing the rules for one person so they can make more money, and still kowtowing to a fighter when in theory a sanctioning body should not be beholden or even closely associated with any fighter.
We all get why they did it, it's obvious, but it's fucvking stupid and crooked and the WBC AND CANELO deserve every bit of hate they get for it.Well said and I agree. I hope Canelo gets beat and his strange franchise title goes up in smoke. I used to be a big Canelo fan but he has become so arrogant and superior that he is nothing like the Canelo of a few years ago. Now he tells a champion he just barely beat that he must win a belt to fight his royal highness. He clearly was not going to fight him belt or no belt. He has become a nasty sht pushing opponents around at the weigh in and talking down to them. I don't think he is training as hard as he used to. He thinks he is so good he doesn't need to. I think a loss is coming his way real soon.
I was just as pissed about the WBC naming Canelo "franchise champion". As if the belt situation wasn't ridiculous already, adding this new name designation only helps feed the hate towards Canelo who never asked for this...
However, it makes sense now that I've read the official statement from the WBC.
As fighters go from Amateur, to prodigy, to professional and then finally to superstar, they are impossible to manage.
You can't tell them what to do, literally you can't.
You can't tell Oscar De La Hoya when he's the Golden Boy, PPV super star to go fight a mandatory dude that people have never heard of instead of some other more intriguing fight.
The idea of the WBC or the WBA or IBF telling Canelo what to do is laughable. Canelo right now is like a god in boxing. You can't tell that dude shiiit.
Floyd Mayweather listened to no one. He fought whoever he damn well pleased and in his day he and only he called the shots in boxing.
You simply can't corner or bully or even ask anything of these guys once they become Primadonna superstars. You just can't.
The belts work in theory, when a boxer wants to be a Champion and is still looking to fight for it, but once they reach PPV superstar status, and you're trying to block a super fight because...dude over here in our rankings wants his shot, watch them drop your belt. So when the superstar doesn't agree and wants other legacy or big money fights instead and they don't mind leaving the belt in the dust...
...then what?It makes sense to you. I think it is total BS. This franchise title is useless and unneeded. Canelo can do what he wants and nobody can make him do anything but special titles shouldn't be made up just for him, If he doesn't defend his title he should lose it just like any other champion. He shouldn't be untouchable and above the rules. The IBF and WBA don't take orders from the WBC. If they think Canelo is not being a proper middleweight champ they can strip him of their belt.
I fail to see how your explanations justifies what they did, or could change the average boxing fan's perspective about it.
You're saying: "Canelo is bigger than belts and sanctioning bodies, he'll fight whoever he wants." Ok, cool. So he can drop the belt if he doesn't want to fight the mandatory.
Sure, it makes sense that they would do anything to have him keep a WBC belt because they want sanctioning fees and advertising from him, but that doesn't justify the decision, they're still changing the rules for one person so they can make more money, and still kowtowing to a fighter when in theory a sanctioning body should not be beholden or even closely associated with any fighter.
We all get why they did it, it's obvious, but it's fucvking stupid and crooked and the WBC AND CANELO deserve every bit of hate they get for it.
Ok no problem.
So they strip Canelo or whatever new superstar boxer at the time for refusing to always listen to his mandatories....good luck if you have more than one belt btw.
So now you have two guys fighting for a belt without the top dog in the conversation.
Lame
Oscar, Pac, Floyd, Canelo etc become top dog because they're always winning, which means more people tuning in, which in turn produces a superstar with all the power and leverage to do as he wishes.
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You can't tell them what to do, literally you can't.
You can't tell Oscar De La Hoya when he's the Golden Boy, PPV super star to go fight a mandatory dude that people have never heard of instead of some other more intriguing fight.
The idea of the WBC or the WBA or IBF telling Canelo what to do is laughable. Canelo right now is like a god in boxing. You can't tell that dude shiiit....
Why would ANY top level fighter listen to what these made-up organizations try to force them to do?
ALL fighters should ignore the so-called "sanctioning bodies"...
... then what?
Then the curtain is pulled back and these "sanctioning bodies" get exposed.
Dude, thats called integrity of the sport. You go climbing rankings until your title shot. If you dont want a belt. Just say, i vacate and we all are fine with it.
But no, he chose to be named "whatever the f@ck" champion.
So no dude. One of the big problems with boxing is its belts. And now they just invented a new one with special rules thats just plain stupid.
But the fact is Charlo is going to be World Champ after beating a no name and getting a gift UD in his previous fight.
Canelo earned that tittle and should just keep status as a regular world champ now Charlo has the belt when he has not deserved it his resume at 160 is weak and he should not be champ.
There was already a mechanism in place if Canelo didn't want to defend against a mandatory that no one ever heard of.
It's called dropping the belt and no longer calling yourself the champion.
Exactly
This is a dick riding to a groupies level just so they could attach their name with Canelo
No like I said in another thread they could just give exemptions or name him emeritus champion but they can't make sanctioning fees from that
It's a joke and it's not something earned it absolutely devalues the WBC title and there is no reason for it
There was already a mechanism in place if Canelo didn't want to defend against a mandatory that no one ever heard of.
It's called dropping the belt and no longer calling yourself the champion.
Looks like the truth to me. Canelo, just like Floyd, is bigger than the belt. He said it when he vacated the wbc before. He can fight who he wants, when he wants, and it won't hurt his bottom line one bit if the strap isn't there.
Mauricio knows who his daddy is...