People for some reason seem to want to perpetuate this idea that it was Joshua's loss and not Ruiz's win to preserve their hype up image of him. But I'm not sure he and his team actually believe all of this.
I would personally advise against a rematch. A second devastating loss would send his stock to the ground. On the other hand, he can still make some good money fighting the likes of Fury, Wilder, or even up and coming fighters like Daniel Dubois or Joe Joyce. Who knows, maybe one of these two will get their hand on a strap and give him a chance to get back into discussions. Best decision is to take that loss and move on. Don't think Hearn will risk it anyway.
The guy had one ‘off night’ and, now, boxing fans are saying he’ll probably “hang up his gloves?”
Lennox Lewis got starched twice and he came back better than ever. Wladimir Klitschko got KTFO by journeyman Ross Puritty and then by Sanders and Brewster. He came back and ruled the division for 10 years.
Boxing history people.
Good boxing history, BostonGuy. I knew all that and saw them live, but I feel instinctively Joshua isn't cut from that breed.
If he has enough money, he should call it a day, and do something he's good at. Boxing is brutal.
Joshua needs to be thinking jab-grab, jab-grab, jab-grab. Joshua can win it simply by being boring. If he does this, exactly as i've laid it out, it's a sure win.
Naturally I'll expect 10% of his gross for my valuable input that I'm sure no one has thought of yet.
Agreed. He did look mostly like David Price last Saturday. Good observation.
I agree. I wanted Ruiz to win and glad he did but Joshua looked weird all night, the lights were on but there was nobody home! This is not to take anything away from Ruiz, I still think Ruiz beats him on Joshua's best day simply because of styles.
Joshua will not be a long reigning champ. i see him retiring early. This game isn't for him. He would rather be a commentator with his pleasant demeanor.
His whole demeanor was off. Seemed to not care.
I agree. I wanted Ruiz to win and glad he did but Joshua looked weird all night, the lights were on but there was nobody home! This is not to take anything away from Ruiz, I still think Ruiz beats him on Joshua's best day simply because of styles.
I see the fight as a guy simply losing. He never had the proper survival instincts. He seemed distracted. This can happen to fighters who strike it rich. Their motivation dwindles etc.
The heavyweight division is garbage right now. No fighter in it I would put money on. Joshua seems uninterested. Wilder well is just skating on thin ice. Fury has a ton of talent but has big mental defects. Ruiz well, he just does not strike me as a proud athlete looking the way he does.
The guy had one ‘off night’ and, now, boxing fans are saying he’ll probably “hang up his gloves?”
Lennox Lewis got starched twice and he came back better than ever. Wladimir Klitschko got KTFO by journeyman Ross Puritty and then by Sanders and Brewster. He came back and ruled the division for 10 years.
Boxing history people.
His whole demeanor was off. Seemed to not care.
They have a rematch clause for the UK so I have heard reported. Ruiz now has 3 belts, looking at it from a risk reward perspective it would be insane not to exercise it. As mentioned if there were camp issues/sparring whatever that can be addressed and with the fight in the UK there is no better chance at getting those belts back.
If he has issues that can't be addressed then he shouldn't be fighting anyone, but if he is going to fight someone 100% it should be Ruiz in the UK, it'll be a massive payday for both of them.
With Joshua's personality and his UK support I actually don't know how bad this loss would be for him long term if he comes back and beats Ruiz. He was never Mike Tyson looking invincible running through the division, he always had obvious vunerabilites even when he was winning and was always pretty level headed and humble not telling people he was going to kill and destroy them.
The rematch will show a lot one way or another.
The first good punch that Ruiz will land on Joshua will break him mentally and Ruiz will go for the kill. He should milk whatever chance he has now for the biggest payday out there from a Wilder fight while it's still marketable and do-able. If he gets KO'd...retire rich afterwards because he will be done in the sport. If he wins (which I doubt) go on to the next big money fight(s) out there and and if he somehow has success only then go for a rematch with Ruiz.
Right now an immediate rematch would be a mistake and I think they know it. They are just talking it up to make it appear he's ready for it but know he isn't and I bet in time you will see things moving to another direction.
i got the vibe that he is losing his passion for boxing. He will probably soon hang 'em up.
The guy had one ‘off night’ and, now, boxing fans are saying he’ll probably “hang up his gloves?”
Lennox Lewis got starched twice and he came back better than ever. Wladimir Klitschko got KTFO by journeyman Ross Puritty and then by Sanders and Brewster. He came back and ruled the division for 10 years.
Boxing history people.
As in they pay off Ruiz to take a fall? Cuz I'm afraid there's no amount of home cooking that could fix that dish. Otherwise agree with everything else. Take a small break, then make a comeback. It'll be as if it never happened. There's no coming back from a second Ruiz knockout, especially if its worst than the first.
Did you see the Parker fight? The ref literally stopped Parker when he began landing punches on AJ. AJ got away with unraveling tape on his gloves. The reason AJ was just staring at the ref in this fight was that he is used to UK refs letting him do what he wants.
Let's not forget, Ruiz got dropped. UK ref might have waived it off. This shyt does happen over there. If the rematch is in the UK I honestly give AJ a 90% chance to win and I'm not being dramatic.
Joshua needs to be thinking jab-grab, jab-grab, jab-grab. Joshua can win it simply by being boring. If he does this, exactly as i've laid it out, it's a sure win.
Naturally I'll expect 10% of his gross for my valuable input that I'm sure no one has thought of yet.
lol wut? Obviously you gotta take the rematch. If whatever mental issue AJ had saturday is fixed, he is easily the favorite in the rematch, especially if they drag it to the UK
Exactly what I was talking about. It wasn't Ruiz's hand speed and power or Joshua's shaky chin, slow hands, and poor reflexes that got him. It was all mental
If they can get it in the UK, sure, take the guaranteed W. But, otherwise, I'd have AJ build his confidence again on someone else. AJ should be able to get himself a title shot again fairly easily and they don't need to push this rematch.
As in they pay off Ruiz to take a fall? Cuz I'm afraid there's no amount of home cooking that could fix that dish. Otherwise agree with everything else. Take a small break, then make a comeback. It'll be as if it never happened. There's no coming back from a second Ruiz knockout, especially if its worst than the first.
I don't think rematch is as straight forward as people think I still believe there will be one but it's going to be renegotiated
AJ will have to come back to US
Mental issues don't work like that. It's not a bruised toe. We won't know the extent of the issues, nor will anyone, until he's back in the ring. Wlad came back from mental issues in the Fury fight to give AJ a good fight. But, not everyone comes back the same.
No thats true, but I think something will eventually come out whether it was a panic attack, KOd in sparring, hungover, poisoned by the Russians etc. Depending on what (if anything) it is, I think he can do it because he was landing some solid shots to Ruiz (props to a solid chin btw). Im not ready to label him a total bum and complete hype job (obviously there is hype, thats what promoters are for). If it rematch happens in the UK, I am taking AJ quite comfortably (maybe mentally he is more relaxed) and if its in the US a 50/50 fight that honestly is good for boxing and whatever network it lands on
People for some reason seem to want to perpetuate this idea that it was Joshua's loss and not Ruiz's win to preserve their hype up image of him. But I'm not sure he and his team actually believe all of this.
I would personally advise against a rematch. A second devastating loss would send his stock to the ground. On the other hand, he can still make some good money fighting the likes of Fury, Wilder, or even up and coming fighters like Daniel Dubois or Joe Joyce. Who knows, maybe one of these two will get their hand on a strap and give him a chance to get back into discussions. Best decision is to take that loss and move on. Don't think Hearn will risk it anyway.
i got the vibe that he is losing his passion for boxing. He will probably soon hang 'em up.